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British Schoolgirls Who Fled Bethnal Green to Join Isis in Raqqa Are Feared Dead

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Shamima Begum, 16, Kadiza Sultana, 17, and Amira Abase, 16, all of whom attended Bethnal Green Academy in East London, ran away from home in February last year, purportedly after being radicalised by Isis propaganda distributed online.

They travelled to Isis’ “hellishly dangerous” Syrian stronghold of Raqqa and are understood to have maintained contact with their family while living under the terror group’s control.

The familes of Kadiza Sultana, Amira Abase and Shamima Begum had travelled to Turkey in a bid to retrace the missing girls' movements.

But a lawyer who represents the families of Shamima and Kadiza has revealed that all contact with the girls was lost in mid-December – around the time British, American and Russian warplanes stepped up their bombardment of Raqqa.

“They are in Raqqa, or were there certainly up until a few weeks ago,' Tasnime Akunjee told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. He added that as the city is “hellishly dangerous”.

“Contact has been lost with them for some weeks now, so to be honest we have no idea what their status is at the moment,” he added.

Speaking of the girls’ families Mr Akunjee said he could not find the language to describe what they are going through, adding: “Bombs are being dropped in the close proximity of their children.”

British schoolgirls who fled Bethnal Green to join Isis in Raqqa are feared dead after families lose contact
 
truthatallcost said:
Why are young people from Muslim backgrounds joining Isis?
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Because they're Muslim and the nations where they're growing up is rejecting them and telling them that their religion is evil and that they're horrible people. Tell somebody that he's a piece of crap long enough, and sooner or later he'll start to believe it. Keep telling young Muslims that their religion's nothing but a bunch of terrorists, and keep looking at them with spite and suspicion, and sooner or later they won't leave the religion, but they'll start believing that they're supposed to be terrorists.
 
truthatallcost said:
Shamima Begum, 16, Kadiza Sultana, 17, and Amira Abase, 16, all of whom attended Bethnal Green Academy in East London, ran away from home in February last year, purportedly after being radicalised by Isis propaganda distributed online.

They travelled to Isis’ “hellishly dangerous” Syrian stronghold of Raqqa and are understood to have maintained contact with their family while living under the terror group’s control.

The familes of Kadiza Sultana, Amira Abase and Shamima Begum had travelled to Turkey in a bid to retrace the missing girls' movements.

But a lawyer who represents the families of Shamima and Kadiza has revealed that all contact with the girls was lost in mid-December – around the time British, American and Russian warplanes stepped up their bombardment of Raqqa.

“They are in Raqqa, or were there certainly up until a few weeks ago,' Tasnime Akunjee told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. He added that as the city is “hellishly dangerous”.

“Contact has been lost with them for some weeks now, so to be honest we have no idea what their status is at the moment,” he added.

Speaking of the girls’ families Mr Akunjee said he could not find the language to describe what they are going through, adding: “Bombs are being dropped in the close proximity of their children.”

British schoolgirls who fled Bethnal Green to join Isis in Raqqa are feared dead after families lose contact
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Perhaps we should play for them the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin?
 
Awww, that's a shame.
 
Attempting to shed tears for them.....

Nope..nothing.

Dance with the Devil, expect to get burned.
 
truthatallcost said:
Why are young people from Muslim backgrounds joining Isis?
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Exactly the same kind of reasons some young people join gangs, cults or extremist political groups.
 
I'm not sure that snarky remarks about 3 possibly dead girls are appropriate. It sucks to see misguided kids end up like this. It goes the same for inner Chicago, and East London.

We all lose.
 
HonestJoe said:
Exactly the same kind of reasons some young people join gangs, cults or extremist political groups.
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I don't necessarily buy that. Kids usually join gangs when they are living in poverty and their parents aren't around in their lives.
I don't hear many kids joining cults, so I don't know about that one.
The point of Isis is to murder people and spread terror. And yet we see many people from the United States and Europe joining this organization. There's something very different going on here than the usual gangs or cults. Kids are drawn to this ultra violent mentality for some reason.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Because they're Muslim and the nations where they're growing up is rejecting them and telling them that their religion is evil and that they're horrible people. Tell somebody that he's a piece of crap long enough, and sooner or later he'll start to believe it. Keep telling young Muslims that their religion's nothing but a bunch of terrorists, and keep looking at them with spite and suspicion, and sooner or later they won't leave the religion, but they'll start believing that they're supposed to be terrorists.
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What a load of horse****. Europe has been very accommodating toward Muslims.

The radicals within their own communities push extremist values and discourage any thoughts of assimilation.
 
truthatallcost said:
I don't necessarily buy that. Kids usually join gangs when they are living in poverty and their parents aren't around in their lives.
I don't hear many kids joining cults, so I don't know about that one.
The point of Isis is to murder people and spread terror. And yet we see many people from the United States and Europe joining this organization. There's something very different going on here than the usual gangs or cults. Kids are drawn to this ultra violent mentality for some reason.
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I’ve first-hand experience working with kids in gangs (or on the periphery and at risk of getting tied in). The underlying reasons are many and varied but generally boil down to a disconnect from the communities and societal structures being offered to them. Poverty and lack of parental attention (which doesn’t require the parents to be physically absent) can certainly be factors but they’re far from alone and kids from apparently wealthy and stable family backgrounds can be just as vulnerable.

The purpose of IS is obviously more than simply murder and terror. The leaders really do wish to establish an Islamic State across as much of the world as they can. That’s not directly relevant to the young people being groomed to join though. They’re sold on the (false) promise of belonging, acceptance and empowerment. The extremes of the violence and certainly the horrors of the kind of fighting on the ground in Syria and Iraq will be downplayed until they get there. These kids are sold on the idea of the Islamic State to draw them in to the terrorist group. Even this doesn’t do the complexity and variation justice it’s really an individual case-by-case question to a great extent.
 
HonestJoe said:
I’ve first-hand experience working with kids in gangs (or on the periphery and at risk of getting tied in). The underlying reasons are many and varied but generally boil down to a disconnect from the communities and societal structures being offered to them. Poverty and lack of parental attention (which doesn’t require the parents to be physically absent) can certainly be factors but they’re far from alone and kids from apparently wealthy and stable family backgrounds can be just as vulnerable.

The purpose of IS is obviously more than simply murder and terror. The leaders really do wish to establish an Islamic State across as much of the world as they can. That’s not directly relevant to the young people being groomed to join though. They’re sold on the (false) promise of belonging, acceptance and empowerment. The extremes of the violence and certainly the horrors of the kind of fighting on the ground in Syria and Iraq will be downplayed until they get there. These kids are sold on the idea of the Islamic State to draw them in to the terrorist group. Even this doesn’t do the complexity and variation justice it’s really an individual case-by-case question to a great extent.
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I see what you're saying. I'm very familiar with gang culture too, I grew up in an area that is 50% Hispanic and I went to school with a lot of kids who joined gangs. Most of those kids are in prison or dead now. The kids I knew who clicked up with gangs were usually not good students, and the chance of making money in high school by selling drugs or stealing was very attractive to them.
Not all of these kids were bad, some were actually pretty decent when you got to know them.
The situation with kids joining Isis is different I think. These kids are very naive if they choose to believe what the recruiters are telling them. Another difference is that many of these kids don't come from the poverty stricken background that young gang members do. Many come from middle class families with 2 parents in the home.
 
truthatallcost said:
British Schoolgirls Who Fled Bethnal Green to Join Isis in Raqqa Are Feared Dead
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That's an interesting word choice.

I mean, I certainly don't fear that they're dead.

I'm really kind of mehhh about the whole idea of it.
 
Actions have consequences.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Because they're Muslim
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Precisely, Islam is a violent, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, homophobic, totalitarian, and theocratic ideology, anyone who adheres to this ideology is no better than a Nazi.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I'm not sure that snarky remarks about 3 possibly dead girls are appropriate. It sucks to see misguided kids end up like this. It goes the same for inner Chicago, and East London.

We all lose.
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With any luck there deaths were slow and painful, I piss on their graves.
 
With any luck, this may dissuade other girls from following in their footsteps.
 
I don't wish ill will, but that doesn't mean I am obligated to feel sorry for them, either. I don't feel sorry for them. At all. There's enough credible information out there now that shows this is a dumb move, and they still chose to go. It's on them.
 
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