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Michael Moore calls Flint a crime scene, demands arrest of Gov. Snyder

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Anomalism said:
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Michael Moore calls Flint a crime scene, demands arrest of Gov. Snyder | MLive.com
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Snyder's idea of conquering municipalities, then replacing the duly elected officials with the governor's henchman, is at least a failed policy, but not criminal (unless we find corruption). Its a wonderful illustration that you just can't cut government by cutting costs.

It is also a great example of why Conservatives can't govern. Snyder needs to fall the sword. He should do the right thing and resign. His political career is done.
 
RetiredUSN said:
If Mr. Moore really cared for the victims, he would pay for their flights to Cuba where they could receive care at one of those truly great hospitals that he documented so well.
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Right, so do you agree that Governor Snyder should face consequences or no?
 
RetiredUSN said:
If Mr. Moore really cared for the victims, he would pay for their flights to Cuba where they could receive care at one of those truly great hospitals that he documented so well.
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A rather asinine comment, don't you think? If you know anything about Michael Moore, he really cares about Flint. Beginning with his break-out film, Roger and Me, he has devoted much of his career (time and money) to documenting the de facto atrocities leveled on Flint and its residences from short-sighted politicians and businessman.
 
Anomalism said:
Right, so do you agree that Governor Snyder should face consequences or no?
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Do you know what really happened in detail, other than people getting sick?

I prefer to wait and see what the investigation finds out, and without all the political grandstanding.

Way too early for finger waggling.
 
upsideguy said:
A rather asinine comment, don't you think? If you know anything about Michael Moore, he really cares about Flint. Beginning with his break-out film, Roger and Me, he has devoted much of his career (time and money) to documenting the de facto atrocities leveled on Flint and its residences from short-sighted politicians and businessman.
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Like your earlier post? (#4)

Gimme a break.
 
"When the governor appointed an emergency financial manager (in 2011), that person came here ... to simply do one thing and one thing only, and that's cut the budget, at any cost,"

It happened to be at the costs of people's lives, but heck they did save money.

Let this be a lesson on why unfettered capitalism does not work.
 
Regardless of politics, it is a shame that such a modern technical society could endanger peoples lives.

There was incompetence somewhere for sure, but I would rather wait it out before making declarations without all the facts.
 
Snyder's crime if it amounts to that is his role in the coverup. It was known for months in state government that lead was leaching into the water while nothing was done about it, including not telling the people who were consuming the water.
 
Anomalism said:
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Michael Moore calls Flint a crime scene, demands arrest of Gov. Snyder | MLive.com
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Snyder didn't pollute the river. Maybe the investigation should focus on how such a waterway could become so poisonous in the first place. There are plenty of laws and plenty of agencies who are supposed to regulate such things, why are they not the focus? I am gonna guess that the answer to that is political; meaning, that liberals dropped the ball on their regulatory role and are blaming others to cover ther asses.
 
Fletch said:
Snyder didn't pollute the river. Maybe the investigation should focus on how such a waterway could become so poisonous in the first place. There are plenty of laws and plenty of agencies who are supposed to regulate such things, why are they not the focus? I am gonna guess that the answer to that is political; meaning, that liberals dropped the ball on their regulatory role and are blaming others to cover ther asses.
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That should be investigated separately. Why the river was/is so polluted doesn't change the fact that they knew about it, but chose to force the residents of Flint to either use it or buy bottled water for years.
 
Been looking through a lot of articles for the past hour. Hard to get a read on some of them due to political slanting.

A lot of fingers are being pointed at the EPA, state, and local officials.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Regardless of politics, it is a shame that such a modern technical society could endanger peoples lives.

There was incompetence somewhere for sure, but I would rather wait it out before making declarations without all the facts.
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I think to be honest about this issue it should be recognized how Flint and other cities have declined so drastically. To have that conversation bringing politics in is important to not repeat mistake made. It’s no secret that Flint and Detroit along with other in trouble cites are and have been controlled by liberal democrats. People like the attention seeking whore Michael Moore and Ilk now whine that the handcuffed Janitor can’t clean up the mess fast enough.

In my opinion cities like Flint will not recover, at least not in my lifetime. Business is hesitant to invest and I don’t blame them, Republicans understand the utter futility of leaving the government spigot open indefinitely and the liberals are just fine as long as the poor souls that live in these areas vote democratic. The best outcome should be a relocation grant program coupled with job retraining for the folks that wish to leave but can’t afford to do so. Bulldoze the vacant land, plant tree’s and call it a day.
 
Anomalism said:
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Michael Moore calls Flint a crime scene, demands arrest of Gov. Snyder | MLive.com
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Moore doesn't have any credibility. He a lot like Sharpton. Show up to a situation and try to bleed it. What has happened in Flint is a travesty. That is the only reason Moore is there, for the publicity.

A small group protested Moore's appearance, saying he has been absent while they have spent nearly two years protesting water quality without him.
Arthur Woodson, one of the protesters, used a bullhorn to drown out some of Moore's comments, but Moore still delivered his message and his backers outnumbered his detractors.
"They should be angry. We are all angry," Moore said.
Flint resident Walt Green, 46, said the protest of Moore amounted to "bickering" that took the focus off Flint's water crisis.
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That said, there is something seriously wrong in Flint. Can a governor be impeached in Michigan? If it was negligence he should be impeached. If it was illegal it he should be charged. Is the DOJ or EPA looking into this?
 
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Fletch said:
Snyder didn't pollute the river. Maybe the investigation should focus on how such a waterway could become so poisonous in the first place. There are plenty of laws and plenty of agencies who are supposed to regulate such things, why are they not the focus? I am gonna guess that the answer to that is political; meaning, that liberals dropped the ball on their regulatory role and are blaming others to cover ther asses.
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Hahahah conservative government can literally poison its citizens and they'll still find a way to blame liberals.
 
upsideguy said:
Snyder's idea of conquering municipalities, then replacing the duly elected officials with the governor's henchman, is at least a failed policy, but not criminal (unless we find corruption). Its a wonderful illustration that you just can't cut government by cutting costs.

It is also a great example of why Conservatives can't govern. Snyder needs to fall the sword. He should do the right thing and resign. His political career is done.
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Very well said. From January of 2011 until December of 2013 I worked for the Michigan legislature and was there each day as the same Republicans who professed that the most local government should make the decisions for the people suddenly turned their back on their sacred principle they had been mouthing for years and now said the STATE level knew best. At one time, a majority of minorities in the state lived under municipalities which were under STATE control and had lost their power to elect their own officials to run the city for them. A government of the people, by the people and for the people became a government of Snyder appointed and screw the people.

The Flint water debacle is simply the most obvious example where this went really wrong --- all in the supposed name of money.
 
woodsman said:
I think to be honest about this issue it should be recognized how Flint and other cities have declined so drastically. To have that conversation bringing politics in is important to not repeat mistake made. It’s no secret that Flint and Detroit along with other in trouble cites are and have been controlled by liberal democrats. People like the attention seeking whore Michael Moore and Ilk now whine that the handcuffed Janitor can’t clean up the mess fast enough.

In my opinion cities like Flint will not recover, at least not in my lifetime. Business is hesitant to invest and I don’t blame them, Republicans understand the utter futility of leaving the government spigot open indefinitely and the liberals are just fine as long as the poor souls that live in these areas vote democratic. The best outcome should be a relocation grant program coupled with job retraining for the folks that wish to leave but can’t afford to do so. Bulldoze the vacant land, plant tree’s and call it a day.
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The loss of tax base is the main reason why cities like Detroit and Flint have fallen upon hard times.
 
joG said:
It sounds more like gross negligence on the part of the city elders.
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The city's elders do not exist. They were all fired and replaced with Snyder's cronies, long BEFORE the decision which resulted in poisoning the water was made.
 
danarhea said:
The city's elders do not exist. They were all fired and replaced with Snyder's cronies, long BEFORE the decision which resulted in poisoning the water was made.
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Where were all the mayors who knew about the rotting water pipes for years?

How does the local water service get a pass? They are required to test for lead.

Why did it take hospital blood tests to raise the alarm
 
RetiredUSN said:
Where were all the mayors who knew about the rotting water pipes for years?

How does the local water service get a pass? They are required to test for lead.

Why did it take hospital blood tests to raise the alarm
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It was the salinity of the water from the Flint River that caused the pipes to corrode from what I've read. The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (run by a Snyder appointee) told everyone the water was safe. The most damning part of this is that there is evidence the Snyder administration knew in 2014 there was a connection between the water and the Legionnaires outbreak, but kept it on the hush.
 
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