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Clinton attacks produce windfall of campaign cash for Sanders

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I bet Hillary is Berned up over this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5b3d38-ba27-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

Hillary Clinton’s new barrage against Bernie Sanders, the Democratic presidential primary opponent she has all but ignored through most of her campaign, is having an effect — though probably not the one she intended. Sanders’s underdog campaign said it is seeing a surge of contributions as a direct result of the new attention it is getting from the Democratic front-runner, with money coming in at a clip nearly four times the average daily rate reported in the last quarter of 2015.
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Hillary is doing what she has to do to win in a general election, she simply started a bit early. The idea that Hillary will lose the DNC nomination is simply wishful thinking on behalf of Sanders' supporters. Hillary must position herself to be seen as just to the right of Obama to win the general election and is already assured of getting enough state and "super' delegates to get the DNC nomination. You simply cannot openly agree with (or claim to be) a socialist and hope to win the general election.
 
I think a lot of people are looking for a reason not to vote for Clinton.
 
fmw said:
I think a lot of people are looking for a reason not to vote for Clinton.
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There are many reasons for that (bolded above) but voting for Sanders or Trump are not necessarily among them. ;)
 
fmw said:
I think a lot of people are looking for a reason not to vote for Clinton.
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Where to begin?

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Sauce for the goose....

Iowa and New Hampshire will not tell the tale...SC and Nevada will. If those contributors are jumping on board now, they are likely to abandon all hope in short order.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There are many reasons for that (bolded above) but voting for Sanders or Trump are not necessarily among them. ;)
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If you are a dedicated democrat, the only other choice is what's his name. Perhaps he needs to stick it our. Trump seems to be getting support from some democrats. I think people have a limit about how much lying and surreptitious behavior they can stomach. Clinton really is a crook. It seems to be realized by some of her supporters.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hillary is doing what she has to do to win in a general election, she simply started a bit early. The idea that Hillary will lose the DNC nomination is simply wishful thinking on behalf of Sanders' supporters. Hillary must position herself to be seen as just to the right of Obama to win the general election and is already assured of getting enough state and "super' delegates to get the DNC nomination. You simply cannot openly agree with (or claim to be) a socialist and hope to win the general election.
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There's logic to that, but the problem is that Hillary has no crossover appeal. There's also no denying that most people (even right wing) consider Berns to be principled and likable, regardless of whether or not they agree with his policies. An increasing number of Democrats are beginning to suspect that the guy who continually lives by Democratic principles may just have a shot.

I also predict that his clean style of campaigning will continue to garner him increased support. His main appeal is his maturity precisely as much as Trump's appeal is his vulgarity.
 
Cardinal said:
There's logic to that, but the problem is that Hillary has no crossover appeal. There's also no denying that most people (even right wing) consider Berns to be principled and likable, regardless of whether or not they agree with his policies. An increasing number of Democrats are beginning to suspect that the guy who continually lives by Democratic principles may just have a shot.

I also predict that his clean style of campaigning will continue to garner him increased support. His main appeal is his maturity precisely as much as Trump's appeal is his vulgarity.
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Are you asserting that fewer "independents" would vote for Hillary than for Trump? One huge reason that our two party system sucks is that which appeals most to "the base", required for winning the party primary, is often in direct conflict with appealing to "independents" or getting crossover (opposing party?) votes. Both major parties seem to be losing ground to a growing number of "independents" which may, finally, allow for a third party to emerge.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you asserting that fewer "independents" would vote for Hillary than for Trump? One huge reason that our two party system sucks is that which appeals most to "the base", required for winning the party primary, is often in direct conflict with appealing to "independents" or getting crossover (opposing party?) votes. Both major parties seem to be losing ground to a growing number of "independents" which may, finally, allow for a third party to emerge.
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Independent is a very broad term so I couldn't give a blanket answer to that. There are independents who are knowledgeable and just want a candidate who's principled for once, and there are independents who just want to see the world burn (Trumpies). But per Hillary herself? Democrats don't like her, so why should independents?
 
Cardinal said:
There's logic to that, but the problem is that Hillary has no crossover appeal. There's also no denying that most people (even right wing) consider Berns to be principled and likable, regardless of whether or not they agree with his policies. An increasing number of Democrats are beginning to suspect that the guy who continually lives by Democratic principles may just have a shot.

I also predict that his clean style of campaigning will continue to garner him increased support. His main appeal is his maturity precisely as much as Trump's appeal is his vulgarity.
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Clinton's existence contributes to Trump's appeal. It seemed like she and Bubba were going to get a pass for their disgusting dishonest behavior. Trump looks like an alter boy compared to the Clinton team. His bombastic rhetoric compared to Bubba's proclivities and Hillary's corruption seems pretty minor. Trump has been the best thing that has happened to Bernie so far. Bernie wasn't going to go after Hillary like Trump has. Bernie is a big benefactor of the Trump attacks on the Clintons.
 
I saw the title on the opening page that said "Hillary attacks produce." and I thought to myself "Damn it, that's the final straw with me if she's going after my lettuce, carrots and broccoli!"
 
Gardener said:
I saw the title on the opening page that said "Hillary attacks produce." and I thought to myself "Damn it, that's the final straw with me if she's going after my lettuce, carrots and broccoli!"
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LOL, I do that stuff sometimes. It is hell getting old.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Clinton's existence contributes to Trump's appeal. It seemed like she and Bubba were going to get a pass for their disgusting dishonest behavior. Trump looks like an alter boy compared to the Clinton team. His bombastic rhetoric compared to Bubba's proclivities and Hillary's corruption seems pretty minor. Trump has been the best thing that has happened to Bernie so far. Bernie wasn't going to go after Hillary like Trump has. Bernie is a big benefactor of the Trump attacks on the Clintons.
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Perhaps. For my part my irritation has stemmed from some inherent assumption that it was Clinton's "turn." That assumption was in the air in 2008, and it irritated me as much then as it does now. She tells embarrassing lies (though she's infinitely more honest than Trump, I'm sorry to say) and watching her try to act human is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me.

You know what? Screw that. Bernie has been living by his principles and representing the wishes of his voters for thirty years. It's his turn.
 
Cardinal said:
Perhaps. For my part my irritation has stemmed from some inherent assumption that it was Clinton's "turn." That assumption was in the air in 2008, and it irritated me as much then as it does now. She tells embarrassing lies (though she's infinitely more honest than Trump, I'm sorry to say)and watching her try to act human is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me.

You know what? Screw that. Bernie has been living by his principles and representing the wishes of his voters for thirty years. It's his turn.
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I agree with everything you said except for the bolded. I agree that Bernie is more ethical and honest than 99% of all the other politicians. I don't agree with his political beliefs but I do admire his ethics. If he wins the primaries my disagreements with his stance would be political. If Hillary won the primaries I would view it as more of a personal issue. If Bernie won the election I could accept that. It Hillary won the election I would be pissed on a personal level. I think there are a people that feel the same way. That plays into voter motivation. It would actually be better for the Republicans for Hillary to win the primaries. I like Bernie and really hope he wins the primaries.
 
NonoBadDog said:
The Clinton campaign shows signs of implosion. They are used to attacking anyone that challenges them by saying anything they want and getting away with it. Skeletons are catching up, investigations are going on, another investigation gaining steam, attacking Sanders with such blatant lies all seems like things are catching up to them.
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i don't see it as implosion
my take is the hillary campaign wrote Bernie off and assumed it would skate into the national election and win against a similarly weak republican candidate
what the DNC refuses to acknowledge is that while bill had loads of charisma, and was able to charm voters into casting their ballots for him, hillary is totally without it
she comes off as phony and pretentious. to others, she seems cavalier
but her biggest deficit is that - despite years of high public positions - there is not one significant thing she can point to as an accomplishment
and over those years she has changed positions as a chameleon changes colors
and that is now working to Bernie's savvy advantage. notice how he is now rolling out tape (from '08) showing hillary complaining (about Obama) that no democrat should criticize another for their support of single payer health coverage. that tape was released almost immediately after hillary castigated Bernie for advocating universal health insurance while she embraces changing Obamacare

now, hillary has yet to effectively play her ace: bill
and he could be a game changer. gore's refusal to have him campaign cost him that 2000 election

let me say, unless the republicans put up someone reasonable, like kasich or paul, i will hold my nose and vote for hillary. only because she would be the lesser of two evils. and primarily because the most important reason not to make a bad choice is because of the supreme court justices the next president will appoint. cruz' or trump's nominees are certain to be appalling

but my young adult children will stay home if Bernie is not on the ballot. and i believe they are representative of much of their generation
 
The left's media has softened up a lot on Bernie Sanders. MSNBC especially were actively trying to destroy him and were promoting Clinton to the point at which it became repulsive coming from a media outlet. Now it seems that Bernie has become a real threat to Clinton and MSNBC doesn't want to be left with their collective asses flapping in the wind.

Personally, I think the socialist label being applied to Bernie is enough to destroy his candidacy for most Americans. The US is not ready yet for socially responsible government of the nature of Canada's. The huge protest against the establishment still won't go that far.
 
justabubba said:
i don't see it as implosion
my take is the hillary campaign wrote Bernie off and assumed it would skate into the national election and win against a similarly weak republican candidate
what the DNC refuses to acknowledge is that while bill had loads of charisma, and was able to charm voters into casting their ballots for him, hillary is totally without it
she comes off as phony and pretentious. to others, she seems cavalier
but her biggest deficit is that - despite years of high public positions - there is not one significant thing she can point to as an accomplishment
and over those years she has changed positions as a chameleon changes colors
and that is now working to Bernie's savvy advantage. notice how he is now rolling out tape (from '08) showing hillary complaining (about Obama) that no democrat should criticize another for their support of single payer health coverage. that tape was released almost immediately after hillary castigated Bernie for advocating universal health insurance while she embraces changing Obamacare

now, hillary has yet to effectively play her ace: bill
and he could be a game changer. gore's refusal to have him campaign cost him that 2000 election

let me say, unless the republicans put up someone reasonable, like kasich or paul, i will hold my nose and vote for hillary. only because she would be the lesser of two evils. and primarily because the most important reason not to make a bad choice is because of the supreme court justices the next president will appoint. cruz' or trump's nominees are certain to be appalling

but my young adult children will stay home if Bernie is not on the ballot. and i believe they are representative of much of their generation
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In my opinion you're right on everything you said about Clinton. However, I will predict that Rubio has to be the most logical choice for the R's to run against the D's. Any other candidate the R's put up would result in a win for the D's candidate because of the negative factor of the R candidate. Rubio would at least stand a chance and his good looks alone would likely give it to him. There's no way good looks can be over estimated in an election for president.

As for Trump, he's going to fail, as will Cruz because they're both too crazy. Also Cruz is ugly and that is a huge negative for him. Rubio has to be the logical choice unless on a slip possibility Bush3 can make a comeback.
 
justabubba said:
i don't see it as implosion
my take is the hillary campaign wrote Bernie off and assumed it would skate into the national election and win against a similarly weak republican candidate
what the DNC refuses to acknowledge is that while bill had loads of charisma, and was able to charm voters into casting their ballots for him, hillary is totally without it
she comes off as phony and pretentious. to others, she seems cavalier
but her biggest deficit is that - despite years of high public positions - there is not one significant thing she can point to as an accomplishment
and over those years she has changed positions as a chameleon changes colors
and that is now working to Bernie's savvy advantage. notice how he is now rolling out tape (from '08) showing hillary complaining (about Obama) that no democrat should criticize another for their support of single payer health coverage. that tape was released almost immediately after hillary castigated Bernie for advocating universal health insurance while she embraces changing Obamacare

now, hillary has yet to effectively play her ace: bill
and he could be a game changer. gore's refusal to have him campaign cost him that 2000 election

let me say, unless the republicans put up someone reasonable, like kasich or paul, i will hold my nose and vote for hillary. only because she would be the lesser of two evils. and primarily because the most important reason not to make a bad choice is because of the supreme court justices the next president will appoint. cruz' or trump's nominees are certain to be appalling

but my young adult children will stay home if Bernie is not on the ballot. and i believe they are representative of much of their generation
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Kasich is an angry person. He has something wrong with him, my personal opinion. I would vote for Paul but he is a non player at this point.
 
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