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US thanks Iran for swift release of 10 Navy sailors

monty of ll said:
Well consider this: Obama's presented his red line speech. Putin very quickly presented his initiative that would order Assad to destroy his chem/bio weapons. Assad immediately agreed, thereby defusing any justification the US had for war on Syria.

That's what happened but it's arguable how it was all engineered. In any case, any other president would have likely refused to be a part of Putin's peace initiative by employing negative propaganda against Putin and Russia. Some Americans would definitely see Obama as a traitor to his country for that. But they have to be careful of proclaiming that because of what it implies. Get it?

Fwiw, my opinion is that Putin and Obama engineered the deal together after Putin has made the arrangement in secrecy with Assad. I say that because of the obvious stance of Obama's admin on the Iran deal while nearly the entire US was screaming bloody murder for him to stop. No matter how much some Americans hate Obama, I think they have to accept facts on the ground and the obvious outcome.

If you have an alternative explanation for the success on both Syria and Iran then I would like to hear it.

Fwiw, some argue that peace hasn't come to Syria. I disagree in that a US led war is no longer likely or would even be seen as legitimate now. The status quo could go either way with Assad, that is granted, but it is likely going to be a meeting of Russia's interests in a new government after Assad that is sympathetic to Russia and China's interests.
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Well, long before the red line, and long before Putin's idea to rid Syria of chemical weapons, Obama was pushing for war in Syria. Perhaps you have forgotten, or never were aware of it, but Obama dispatched Hillary Clinton to the UN three times to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria. Pointing to the abuse of UNSCR 1973 in Libya, Russia and China both repeatedly said, hell no! Failing to secure a UNSCR in Syria, the British parliament pulled their support, Obama asked congress for a new and specific AUMF for Syria, but they went on recess and failed to do so. 70% of Americans were against it. So Obama tried but failed. The next best thing was to arm the "so called moderate rebels" by smuggling the arms that were confiscated from Gaddafi's army out of the Benghazi annex thru Turkey. That too was shut down.

As to Putin's deal to rid Syria of chemical weapons, this came about as a result of a John Kerry slip. Off script, he answered a reporters question on how Assad might avoid a US led military operation against him. Kerry said he could surrender his chemical WMD, to which Putin instantly saw an opportunity to keep the US militarily out of Syria.

So, it's not that Obama hasn't tried, and despite the fact he has no authorization in law, he's still been projecting force in Syria, albeit at a limited scope.

And I don't consider a five year war, with a quarter million dead Syrians, and millions of refugees as well as a ruined infrastructure to be a success. Iran, I will agree with you is a success at present.
 
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MorrisDay said:
As someone who served many years in the U.S. military, I can say it was extremely embarrassing to see our G.I.s having to bow to a 3rd world terrorist country like that. I think it makes the U.S. look pitiful at a time we desperately need respect. I talk to U.S. military members frequently who say they don't have the pride they once had. Guess who they thank for it?
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Obama is thanked by them for sure. They are a bunch of anally retentive psycopaths who couldn't make it in civilian life and are being spoonfed by the military. And they are being denied their planned wars in Iran and Syria and that's definitely Obama's fault. Just aks them!
 
Anthony60 said:
No, your mistake is that it didn't start they way it should have, if Iran had any respect for us.
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So, starting a war...that is the logical response to a stupid minor incident?

No thanks, we have enough chickenhawks that are thirsty for war. This ended the way that grownups end things, peacefully and with diplomacy.
 
The "Hate America First" crowd is strong in this thread.
 
beefheart said:
So, starting a war...that is the logical response to a stupid minor incident?

No thanks, we have enough chickenhawks that are thirsty for war. This ended the way that grownups end things, peacefully and with diplomacy.
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No, peace through strength, for the chickens out there that want a cowering country with a yellow Obama stripe down it's back.
It ended with our stature in the world getting knocked down another notch, with Iran going out of their way to embarrass us in front of the world, and Obama and Kerry taking it. With the liberals smiling about it all the way.
 
Anthony60 said:
No, peace through strength, for the chickens out there that want a cowering country with a yellow Obama stripe down it's back.
It ended with our stature in the world getting knocked down another notch, with Iran going out of their way to embarrass us in front of the world, and Obama and Kerry taking it. With the liberals smiling about it all the way.
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Oh, and what would you have done? Seems to me that the right choice was made and no one got hurt, nothing bad happened. Unless somehow you are butthurt that Iran acted within their rights to deal with a craft trespassing in their waters.

Your faux bravado gets us into stupid conflagrations when simple diplomacy will do.
 
Ray410 said:
The "Hate America First" crowd is strong in this thread.
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So...peaceful diplomacy which defuses a minor situation and ends up in a peaceful solution in a minimum amount of time is "hate america first"?
 
beefheart said:
So...peaceful diplomacy which defuses a minor situation and ends up in a peaceful solution in a minimum amount of time is "hate america first"?
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Very specious reasoning. Sounds really swell though.
 
Anthony60 said:
No, your mistake is that it didn't start they way it should have, if Iran had any respect for us.
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So there is another way you think these people could have been surrounded? I don't get what you're going on about. Is this the first time US soldiers have been held a gun point by another nation?
 
Anthony60 said:
No, peace through strength, for the chickens out there that want a cowering country with a yellow Obama stripe down it's back.
It ended with our stature in the world getting knocked down another notch, with Iran going out of their way to embarrass us in front of the world, and Obama and Kerry taking it. With the liberals smiling about it all the way.
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Are you embarrassed? I'm not embarrassed.
 
beefheart said:
Oh, and what would you have done? Seems to me that the right choice was made and no one got hurt, nothing bad happened. Unless somehow you are butthurt that Iran acted within their rights to deal with a craft trespassing in their waters.

Your faux bravado gets us into stupid conflagrations when simple diplomacy will do.
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The stupidity and ineptitude of our President got us into this situation and allowed it to happen. It should never have played out this way. A good President would make sure it doesn't happen again. The only thing we can be sure of is that Obama is incapable of doing that.
 
Judging by some of comments i've seen relating to the various articles surrounding the incident, you would think that the soldiers being released without going to war was the worst thing in the world.

Good grief. The fact that some would prefer that, rather than a diplomatic response to what may only have been human error on your sailors part, is pretty disturbing. Warmongering, knuckle dragging nonsense at it's finest.

Great to see them home safe and well without things escalating.
 
Ray410 said:
Very specious reasoning. Sounds really swell though.
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Nothing specious...no guns fired, no one killed, no war resulting. Simple diplomacy....unless you are Rambo and want a huge war (that you won't fight in).

Situation diffused, back to normal, diplomacy wins, angry crazy people wanting war lose.
 
Anthony60 said:
The stupidity and ineptitude of our President got us into this situation and allowed it to happen. It should never have played out this way. A good President would make sure it doesn't happen again. The only thing we can be sure of is that Obama is incapable of doing that.
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Oh, its all Obama's fault, because if it were president Trump, we'd kill everyone, and all them mooslims would give up and start loving us, right?

Stop thinking with bumper sticker mentality, it makes you look very idiotic.
 
"In April 2001, George W. Bush wrote a letter of apology to the Chinese after which they handed over the Americans prisoners they had been keeping as a result of our spy plane crashing. This week, a simple phone call was all it took to win the release of our sailors and Pres. Obama did not have to mention the incident at the State of the Union speech. John Kerry also was able to attend the speech, secure in the knowledge that the situation was under control.

Comparing these two incidents, somehow Republicans conclude that Pres. Obama is a weak and feckless leader seeking to appease our nation’s enemies while George W. Bush is the strong decisive leader whose policies they cannot wait to return to."

The GOP presidential candidates really embarrassed themselves during the Iran navy incident
 
Anthony60 said:
The stupidity and ineptitude of our President got us into this situation and allowed it to happen. It should never have played out this way. A good President would make sure it doesn't happen again. The only thing we can be sure of is that Obama is incapable of doing that.
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SAY WHAT? Your blaming the current President for the Iranian situation like it started yesterday? Are you ****ing serious?
 
winston53660 said:
SAY WHAT? Your blaming the current President for the Iranian situation like it started yesterday? Are you ****ing serious?
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Simplistic, unintelligent, angry folk obsessed with Obama say some of the stupidest things.
 
Serenity said:
Judging by some of comments i've seen relating to the various articles surrounding the incident, you would think that the soldiers being released without going to war was the worst thing in the world.
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Neocon logic: if America isn't at war with everybody then the country is going down!
 
beefheart said:
Nothing specious...no guns fired, no one killed, no war resulting. Simple diplomacy....unless you are Rambo and want a huge war (that you won't fight in).

Situation diffused, back to normal, diplomacy wins, angry crazy people wanting war lose.
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I've already served in combat for the United States, yourself?

I really hope you're not throwing around CS insults like that and have never even been in the service.
 
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winston53660 said:
SAY WHAT? Your blaming the current President for the Iranian situation like it started yesterday? Are you ****ing serious?
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According to our more partisan members of the right, everything was completely hunky dory until Obama was inaugurated.
 
Serenity said:
Judging by some of comments i've seen relating to the various articles surrounding the incident, you would think that the soldiers being released without going to war was the worst thing in the world.

Good grief. The fact that some would prefer that, rather than a diplomatic response to what may only have been human error on your sailors part, is pretty disturbing. Warmongering, knuckle dragging nonsense at it's finest.

Great to see them home safe and well without things escalating.
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alicublog: JINGO JERKOFFS.
 
PoS said:
Neocon logic: if America isn't at war with everybody then the country is going down!
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These guys seem to think that diplomacy is for ******s.
 
Kobie said:
According to our more partisan members of the right, everything was completely hunky dory until Obama was inaugurated.
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I'm buying the white russians now!
 
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