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FBI's Clinton probe expands to public corruption track

Cardinal said:
Actually, Bernie is my guy. Hence my choice of words "...if we have to..."
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Where's your Bernie logo, and why aren't you fighting for him? You should be protesting that joke of a Dem primary process. He basically kissed her ass in one debate.
 
American said:
Where's your Bernie logo, and why aren't you fighting for him? You should be protesting that joke of a Dem primary process. He basically kissed her ass in one debate.
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That's not your concern. Suffice it to say I'm hardly alone in my preference for Sanders, but if Clinton does win the primary I'll have no choice due to the Republican alternatives but to vote for Clinton.

One thing Republicans frequently forget when criticizing Democrats is that Clinton isn't going to be the only name on the ballot. They do suddenly remember this concept when resigned to vote for a Republican candidate they may not be thrilled with.
 
From the Drudge headline this morning, apparently MoveOn has moved on and has endorsed the "Bern" and Biden is out there praising Sanders. :lol:
And then there are other reports out there showing an increase of Democrat support for Trump. Probably those who can't bring themselves to vote for Sanders. ;)
 
vesper said:
From the Drudge headline this morning, apparently MoveOn has moved on and has endorsed the "Bern" and Biden is out there praising Sanders. :lol:
And then there are other reports out there showing an increase of Democrat support for Trump.* Probably those who can't bring themselves to vote for Sanders. ;)
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[citation needed]
 
Cardinal said:
That's not your concern. Suffice it to say I'm hardly alone in my preference for Sanders, but if Clinton does win the primary I'll have no choice due to the Republican alternatives but to vote for Clinton.

One thing Republicans frequently forget when criticizing Democrats is that Clinton isn't going to be the only name on the ballot. They do suddenly remember this concept when resigned to vote for a Republican candidate they may not be thrilled with.
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If you combined all the scandal of the Republican candidates, they would be insignificant next to Hillary (and Bill).
 
Paperview said:
Nice Moonie Times cut and paste.

You know, you really should note when you're lifting other people's works.

Ojh, and the "list?"

Two words; :lol: :lol:
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my bad you are right I thought I included a link... moonies?
 
American said:
If you combined all the scandal of the Republican candidates, they would be insignificant next to Hillary (and Bill).
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Mark my words: there will be another name besides Clinton on the ballot should she win the primary, and all the pros and cons of each candidate will be weighed. This includes honesty, professional record and experience, positions held, and yes, scandals.
 
American said:
You can't do anything yourself, it's right there front and center on Drudge this minute! For****ingssake!
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Did Drudge claim Democrat support for Trump? Because that's what I was referring to.
 
Cardinal said:
Mark my words: there will be another name besides Clinton on the ballot should she win the primary, and all the pros and cons of each candidate will be weighed. This includes honesty, professional record and experience, positions held, and yes, scandals.
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I think Bernie will get screwed and Joe Biden will be called upon to be the nominee.
 
Moderate Right said:
I think Bernie will get screwed and Joe Biden will be called upon to be the nominee.
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You better be wrong, because the guy doesn't even want to be president.
 
Hillary Clinton's PAC began airing ads here in Nevada about how she's the one who's going to focus on jobs in this country. My housemates and I just burst out laughing. Hillary? The same Hillary who sat on the board of directors for Wal^Mart when that company began buying their products from China. The same Hillary Clinton who favors the TPP deal? The same Hillary who Supported the Keystone project? This is the same Hillary Clinton who justified taking millions in funding from wall street bankers that caused the recession by invoking 9-11?

Jesus she's awful. But the thing that's truly awful about it is that her PAC is trying to capitalize on Bernie Sander's strongpoints to make Hillary look better. It's like the PAC knows Hillary has nothing to go on so it's trying to piggyback on Bernie Sander's talking points. Shameless, absolutely shameless.
 
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Cardinal said:
Okay, I've seen the 20% number before. All I can say is those Democrats are loco and would not be voting based on experience or positions held by Trump, but solely because of personality (which somehow manages to be much, much scarier).
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Actually other polling last week showed this 20% of registered Democrats supporting Trump tend to be those Reagan Democrats, blue collar who love Trump's anti-trade rhetoric.
 
vesper said:
Actually other polling last week showed this 20% of registered Democrats supporting Trump tend to be those Reagan Democrats, blue collar who love Trump's anti-trade rhetoric.
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Which supports other claims that Trump supporters tend to define themselves by what they're against than what they're for, though mostly they're simply a part of his cult of personality. They're reactionary, have a low education and don't understand the nuances of their positions to any measurable extent. While Trump may be running in the Republican party (and doing quite well within the party), one thing that can be said is that he has galvanized the very worst elements of American society.
 
Cardinal said:
Okay, I've seen the 20% number before. All I can say is those Democrats are loco and would not be voting based on experience or positions held by Trump, but solely because of personality (which somehow manages to be much, much scarier).
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On that poll by "Mercury Analytics, a research firm that has been in the political polling business since...well, last week..."

A good many of those Democrats are self-identifying Republicans.

And there's this:

"To understand what Cohn has found, however, you have to look past the headline I suspect editors imposed on him: "Donald Trump's Strongest Supporter: A Certain Kind of Democrat."

In the second paragraph, Cohn does indeed report: "His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats." But you have to read far, far down into the piece to understand the limited meaning of that startling data point:


Registered Democrats make up just 8 percent of self-identified Republicans in the states with party registration, according to the Civis data. And Mr. Trump still leads, and leads comfortably, among higher-turnout voters and registered Republicans.

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So the headline is based on a triple-loaded statistic: Exclude states with no party registration (e.g., much of the South), and focus only on the small minority of self-identified Republicans who are registered as Democrats, and Trump does better (43 percent) than he does among self-identified Republicans who are registered Republican (again, only in states with party registration), who give him 29 percent of his support. The natural inference from the headline — that Trump supporters are typically Democrats — is neither asserted by Cohn nor supported by the Civis data.


Trump Supporters Are Often Irregular Voters -- NYMag
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
How many clinton scandals does thier have to be before you think perhaps they aren't who we need near government?


1. Monica Lewinsky: Led to only the second president in American history to be impeached.

2. Benghazi: Four Americans killed, an entire system of weak diplomatic security uncloaked, and the credibility of a president and his secretary of state damaged.

3. Asia fundraising scandal: More than four dozen convicted in a scandal that made the Lincoln bedroom, White House donor coffees and Buddhist monks infamous.

PHOTOS: The most consequential Clinton scandals — in order

4. Hillary’s private emails: Hundreds of national secrets already leaked through private email and the specter of a criminal probe looming large.

5. Whitewater: A large S&L failed and several people went to prison.

6. Travelgate: The firing of the career travel office was the very first crony capitalism scandal of the Clinton era.

7. Humagate: An aide’s sweetheart job arrangement.

8. Pardongate: The first time donations were ever connected as possible motives for presidential pardons.

9. Foundation favors: Revealing evidence that the Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play back door to the State Department, and an open checkbook for foreigners to curry favor.

10. Mysterious files: The disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.

11. Filegate: The Clinton use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.

12. Hubble trouble: The resignation and imprisonment of Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.

13. The Waco tragedy: One of the most lethal exercises of police power in American history.

14. The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.

15. Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philandering?

16. Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.

17. Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.

18. Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.

19. Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?

20. The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.

21. Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.
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Spare me the cut and paste, save it for a liberal willing to engage in it.

I've already said I am no Hillary supporter, I am only speaking to what needs to really happen here for rhetoric to turn into something actionable. And you know that to be fact.
 
Cardinal said:
Which supports other claims that Trump supporters tend to define themselves by what they're against than what they're for, though mostly they're simply a part of his cult of personality. They're reactionary, have a low education and don't understand the nuances of their positions to any measurable extent. While Trump may be running in the Republican party (and doing quite well within the party), one thing that can be said is that he has galvanized the very worst elements of American society.
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As I stated in another thread, unless these Democrats are willing to change their voter registrations to Republicans, they will not be allowed to be part of the primary process in states with closed primaries or the Hawkeye cauci. Trump runs ahead in several states that have closed primaries.
 
American said:
Oh, is that what you think this is? They're just making up ****? Okay so CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC and all the others make up their news too. None of the stuff you read or see on TV is actually happening. Are you for ****ing real? I reported an investigation, nothing more.
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Yes I do, and until something shows up that results in actual action against Hillary I'll continue to suggest as much.

You reported on unnamed sources suggesting an investigation expansion, it'll take time to see if it is accurate or just more rhetoric.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Spare me the cut and paste, save it for a liberal willing to engage in it.

I've already said I am no Hillary supporter, I am only speaking to what needs to really happen here for rhetoric to turn into something actionable. And you know that to be fact.
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But you are a Hillary supporter. by constant defense of her, you are guaranteeing her the dem nomination.
 
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