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Teen walking in park with dad raped by group of men

What would you do in this situation?

  • I leave my daughter as demanded and i look for help

    Votes: 6 15.8%

  • I never leave my a daughter, i stay to protect her even if it means my life

    Votes: 32 84.2%
  • Total voters
    38
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americanwoman said:
Sorry to say but if the dad hadn't been drinking in the park with his underage daughter, he might have been more coherent to do something better. No way does this excuse the horrific act or the criminal garbage that did the attack but it also doesn't excuse the dad's poor judgments that put her into the situation. It's unclear whether or not dad and daughter were drinking but reports show witnesses say the dad was drunk and police reports show the daughter was drunk.
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I was wondering about that once I read the whole story. Normal people are not in the park after dark. And, this father drinking with his 18-year old daughter story smelled bad straight up. Probably way more to this story than I will ever want to know.
 
faithful_servant said:
For me, that simply selfish. Your wife would now be living with both the rape and your death...
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selfish?
i dont think you know what that word means?????? good grief LMAO
 
americanwoman said:
Reports say both father and daughter were drunk.

The father, of course, says he begged and begged. The bodega guy says the guy was drunk and incoherent.

If someone was drunk and couldn't help their daughter, I'm sure their version would always be "I begged and begged"

Of course, it's all he said/he said but nobody likes to admit they were wrong and a girl got raped in the end with no help.
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I'm assuming the father was unarmed. If that was the case, he had no choice but to run for help. It is believable that people refused to help him if he was drunk, even if he was begging. Either way, NY has once again reminded me it's a hub of violence.

Also who goes out in public, drunk, with their teenage daughter also drunk? What a prick.

By the way, it's been reported that the police delayed heavily in reporting this incident, and are undergoing internal questioning.
 
Gaius46 said:
If the guys got a gun and you're unarmed, or even armed but without the weapon drawn, your chances are the next best thing to zero. The end result of this is that the lights go out for you with you knowing that you tried to defend her and you don't get to see that she was raped or murdered anyway. It's in all probability a futile gesture.
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I don't agree that even if you're armed it's a foregone conclusion that it's futile gesture.... that's rather silly, actually.
 
I can't speak for the rest of the US, but I remember rape being punishable by death in Virginia back in the 50's and 60's.
 
Gaius46 said:
If the guys got a gun and you're unarmed, or even armed but without the weapon drawn, your chances are the next best thing to zero. The end result of this is that the lights go out for you with you knowing that you tried to defend her and you don't get to see that she was raped or murdered anyway. It's in all probability a futile gesture.
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See, once I read the story (I posted based on the title), I could safely say I would not be in that situation. What kind of creep hides in a dark park to drink with his daughter anyway?
 
Innes said:
Yeah. I read that the man begged, begged, people at a nearby store to call the cops, but they refused. Only afterward did he manage to contact the cops, who in turn took long enough to arrive that the girl was raped by every rapist.

I personally would shoot the rapist openly wielding the gun from range and move in quickly, on the assumption that the others would disperse and/or be unarmed.
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Exactly. People generally are either too scared or don't desire to offer their help and cops are usually too far away and slow to be of any help to a situation that is ongoing. Your chances of dying are pretty high if you stay, but you chances of saving her if you leave are pretty low.
 
Thrilla said:
I don't agree that even if you're armed it's a foregone conclusion that it's futile gesture.... that's rather silly, actually.
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I've never had to pull a weapon on someone, let alone someone who's pointing one at me, but I really can't see how the father wins that one unless the guy stops paying attention to him. And frankly in that case walking away and the shooting when they turn their attention to her is probably what you should do.
 
americanwoman said:
Reports say both father and daughter were drunk.

The father, of course, says he begged and begged. The bodega guy says the guy was drunk and incoherent.

If someone was drunk and couldn't help their daughter, I'm sure their version would always be "I begged and begged"

Of course, it's all he said/he said but nobody likes to admit they were wrong and a girl got raped in the end with no help.
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The reports said the girl went nuts on the ambulance drivers, was treated for some mystery medical situation before her wounds were treated, and tried to bite a cop. I didn't realize she was drunk but that makes sense.
 
calamity said:
See, once I read the story (I posted based on the title), I could safely say I would not be in that situation. What kind of creep hides in a dark park to drink with his daughter anyway?
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Me neither. Kid's underage for one thing and NY has open container laws, though they really aren't all that strictly enforced from what I can see. Pretty low rent. Of course it doesn't make a difference as far as the case goes. They caught 4 of the 5 - if convicted I hope they spend the rest of their days seeing sunlight from behind bars.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I've never had to pull a weapon on someone, let alone someone who's pointing one at me, but I really can't see how the father wins that one unless the guy stops paying attention to him. And frankly in that case walking away and the shooting when they turn their attention to her is probably what you should do.
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though the circumstances and environment were very different than this story, i've had the displeasure of being outnumbered and outgunned ( 8 v 2).... it's no fun( to say the least)... but it's certainly possible to turn the tables.

in this case, them giving him the chance to walk away is a big detail.. one that , to me, displayed the he had ample opportunity to get his own firearm into play, provided he had one ( which he didn't)

in this particular case, I don't think he had much of a choice at all... and any choice available to him was a bad one.
 
If it had been me and my daughter, this rapist wouldn't have been the only one with a gun, and no, I wouldn't have left her.
 
Cephus said:
Because they recognize the truth?
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If your response to this was "I KNEW IT WAS THE BLACKS, ALSO OBAMA BAD," you're not human.
 
Allow me to pose a question for people here: let us say that you finished closing on a house and you drive from the closing to the home with your new set of keys jangling in your pocket. You loudly open the front door and enter only to be assaulted by a foul reek - the odor of crap permeates the air. You track it down and a toilet has not been flushed in some time and is stinking up the place.

Q: what is the first thing you do?

I would hope the answer is a simple one and your answer is you flush the damn toilet.

It has been my experience and observation that most people are good decent people. But there are some who are just six feet or so of stacked crap just like the material that reeked in that unflushed toilet they are fouling it up for others. They are not worth the air that they breathe or the place they take up in society and in our nation.

So why don't we just flush the toilet when we discover walking talking crap like these?
 
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I would've done exactly what he did. If I had refused to leave and they killed me, what would happen to my daughter then? Who would get help? It was the rational decision.

Absolutely horrific thing to happen. And then one of them tries to say it was consensual... Unbelievable. I can't believe people wouldn't stop or help the father who was trying to get help, even if he had been drinking. You don't get panicked like that just from being drunk. This is so sad.
 
Deuce said:
If your response to this was "I KNEW IT WAS THE BLACKS, ALSO OBAMA BAD," you're not human.
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Way to mischaracterize what I said. Are we to ignore the problem of violent crime within the black community? It doesn't disturb you that these young boys would commit such a heinous crime?

For the record, Obama opens himself up to such criticism when he plays the race card so regularly. Not to mention his fake display of emotion while never letting a good crisis go to waste. :roll:
 
AGENT J said:
THIS IS HORRIFIC!

Teen walking in park with dad raped by group of men | New York Post


Teens arrested in alleged Brooklyn gang rape - CNN.com


back up links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/n...eenagers-suspected-in-brooklyn-rape.html?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...sponse-rape-report-brooklyn-article-1.2491590
4 teens arrested in gang rape of 18-year-old in Brooklyn playground | FOX6Now.com
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hended-in-brutal-gang-rape-of-brooklyn-woman/

Personally I could NEVER leave my daughter, gun or no gun, it would be impossible to do.

What would you do?
I leave my daughter and look for help
I stay to protect her even if it means my life
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If you stay and are killed that virtually assures that your daughter will also be killed, if not raped and then killed, because leaving her alive as a potential witness to (capital?) murder is way beyond some dumb. At least one of those violent morons would surely come to that, leave no witnesses, conclusion.

By leaving you are a witness, able to summon help to at least catch, if not stop, the perps - as the OP indicated was, in fact, the case. The father by leaving, sadly, was not able to prevent her rape but he did prevent her murder and his own. IMHO, the father picked the lesser of the two evils offered him in this case.
 
Gaius46 said:
Me neither. Kid's underage for one thing and NY has open container laws, though they really aren't all that strictly enforced from what I can see. Pretty low rent. Of course it doesn't make a difference as far as the case goes. They caught 4 of the 5 - if convicted I hope they spend the rest of their days seeing sunlight from behind bars.
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Correct. Rape is rape. But, not putting yourself and your daughter in that situation does play into the equation of "what would you do?".

Now, if they were really just "walking in the park" as the thread title implies, that would be a whole different equation.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
1.)If you stay and are killed that virtually assures that your daughter will also be killed, if not raped and then killed, because leaving her alive as a potential witness to (capital?) murder is way beyond some dumb. At least one of those violent morons would surely come to that, leave no witnesses, conclusion.
2.) By leaving you are a witness, able to summon help to at least catch, if not stop, the perps - as the OP indicated was, in fact, the case.
3.) The father by leaving, sadly, was not able to prevent her rape but he did prevent her murder and his own.
4.) IMHO, the father picked the lesser of the two evils offered him in this case.
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1.) no it doesnt virtually assure anything lol, it absolutely COULD happen though. in real life these little strrt thugs are probably more likely to run after gun shots but they could do what you say to but it most certainly is NOT virtually assured
2.) or she gets raped 5 times . . which happened in THIS case or worse which could of happened but if i stay at least i TRIED to do something
3.) theres ZERO way to know if he prevented her murder . . using your same logic and claim of "assurance" if they planned to murder her why did they let him leave . . you know being a witness and all? you cant have it both ways to make it fit your opinion.
4.) and you are welcome to that opinion, IMO i completely disagree as he did basically next to nothing and he'll have to live with that. Id rather fight for her and at least TRY to protect her and be dead then LET my daughter be raped. :shrug:
 
calamity said:
It's the same for me with the wife. I'd rather die defending her than live with the fact that she was hurt. Of course, I might end up dead and she gets raped anyway. But...at least I won't know about it.
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Selfish much? What is most likely to happen to your daughter as an eye witness to your murder?
 
countryboy said:
Way to mischaracterize what I said. Are we to ignore the problem of violent crime within the black community? It doesn't disturb you that these young boys would commit such a heinous crime?

For the record, Obama opens himself up to such criticism when he plays the race card so regularly. Not to mention his fake display of emotion while never letting a good crisis go to waste. :roll:
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... Weird, when a group of white men gang rape a white woman (if you're white, you're most likely to be raped by somebody else who is white) do you run to the forum to scream that there is a problem within the "white community"? Why is it that black people are the only ones expected to be aware of what other black people across the country are doing?
 
 
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