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Congress to Send Obamacare Repeal to President

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Congress is set to send President Obama a bill this week repealing the Affordable Care Act for the first time since the law's enactment in 2010 - effectively repealing the mandates and taxes at the heart of the law.

Read the article here: Congress to Send Obamacare Repeal to President - NBC News

This bill will not survive Obama's veto. This is yet another example of how our partisan, do-nothing congress gets nothing done with the G-nO-P in charge.

Some voters will notice this.
 
Attempt to repeal ACA... um... #58? (Shot in the dark guess on my part.)
 
shrubnose said:
Congress is set to send President Obama a bill this week repealing the Affordable Care Act for the first time since the law's enactment in 2010 - effectively repealing the mandates and taxes at the heart of the law.

Read the article here: Congress to Send Obamacare Repeal to President - NBC News

This bill will not survive Obama's veto. This is yet another example of how our partisan, do-nothing congress gets nothing done with the G-nO-P in charge.

Some voters will notice this.
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The Democrats refused to even bring bills to the floor for votes and that was somehow the republicans fault and now the republicans are in charge and actually passing bills and a Democrat is vetoing them and that too is somehow the GOPs fault. You have a twisted mind. You are right voters will notice, that's why the GOP controls both the house and the senate
 
Crovax said:
The Democrats refused to even bring bills to the floor for votes and that was somehow the republicans fault and now the republicans are in charge and actually passing bills and a Democrat is vetoing them and that too is somehow the GOPs fault. You have a twisted mind. You are right voters will notice, that's why the GOP controls both the house and the senate
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The majority party decides what comes to the floor always. Its not different now than it was then.
 
poweRob said:
The majority party decides what comes to the floor always. Its not different now than it was then.
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That's my point the Democrats refused to bring bills to the floor when they had the majority and that was somehow the republicans fault for not doing anything. Now the republicans are in the majority and they are bringing bills to the floor passing them and a Democrat is stopping them with vetoes and that is also somehow the republicans fault.
 
Crovax said:
That's my point the Democrats refused to bring bills to the floor when they had the majority and that was somehow the republicans fault for not doing anything. Now the republicans are in the majority and they are bringing bills to the floor passing them and a Democrat is stopping them with vetoes and that is also somehow the republicans fault.
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Democrats are at a divide in their party. They are trying to decide whether or not to chase corporate funding of their party which is splitting the party pretty hard... The GOP doesn't have this problem. They have decided a while back they are sold to the highest corporate bidders and this has streamlined their ability to push through crap they are told to by their masters. No brains or debate needed.
 
Crovax said:
That's my point the Democrats refused to bring bills to the floor when they had the majority and that was somehow the republicans fault for not doing anything. Now the republicans are in the majority and they are bringing bills to the floor passing them and a Democrat is stopping them with vetoes and that is also somehow the republicans fault.
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Green Eggs and Ham ring a bell?
 
I hope someone passes it. Paying tax penalties because I can't afford my work's insurance is not "affordable".
That's not even really an opinion...
 
Politicians keeping their campaign promise? Yep, that is strange. But, that's all this is. So far, Obama has been insulated from having to Veto anything regarding repealing any part of the PPACA by the Democrats in Congress. Now, he will have to act, and be on the record doing so. It's that simple, and not hard to understand.
 
Crovax said:
The Democrats refused to even bring bills to the floor for votes and that was somehow the republicans fault and now the republicans are in charge and actually passing bills and a Democrat is vetoing them and that too is somehow the GOPs fault. You have a twisted mind.
You are right voters will notice,
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 that's why the GOP controls both the house and the senate
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A lot of voters will notice that the GOP has made no attempt to do anything about the USA's huge border control problem. This is an area where some bi-partisan legislation might be possible.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Politicians keeping their campaign promise? Yep, that is strange. But, that's all this is. So far, Obama has been insulated from having to Veto anything regarding repealing any part of the PPACA by the Democrats in Congress. Now, he will have to act, and be on the record doing so. It's that simple, and not hard to understand.
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It does not mean all you think it does.

Putting a veto on his signature legislation is just that, protecting his legislation effort. The only people moved by that veto are those who are already opposed to ACA for whatever reason.

And that concludes that Congressional Republicans forcing Obama's veto is purely a political stunt, there was no expectation that Obama would cave on this. The only gain for Republicans trying for the umpteenth time to repeal ACA is exciting their base.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It does not mean all you think it does.

Putting a veto on his signature legislation is just that, protecting his legislation effort. The only people moved by that veto are those who are already opposed to ACA for whatever reason.

And that concludes that Congressional Republicans forcing Obama's veto is purely a political stunt, there was no expectation that Obama would cave on this. The only gain for Republicans trying for the umpteenth time to repeal ACA is exciting their base.
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What I said it means isn't that much in the first place, so please don't read or infer anything momentous or monumental in what I said. Of course he's going to veto a repeal of his signature accomplishment, but this isn't an actual repeal of the law (although it is being spun that way) and at some point many parts of the PPACA will indeed need to be repealed and/or replaced. Even Obama himself has said so.
 
shrubnose said:
A lot of voters will notice that the GOP has made no attempt to do anything about the USA's huge border control problem. This is an area where some bi-partisan legislation might be possible.
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Did you say that with a straight face? The Dems owned congress and the WH in 2008.. What did they do exactly?


Tim-
 
Beaudreaux said:
What I said it means isn't that much in the first place, so please don't read or infer anything momentous or monumental in what I said. Of course he's going to veto a repeal of his signature accomplishment, but this isn't an actual repeal of the law (although it is being spun that way) and at some point many parts of the PPACA will indeed need to be repealed and/or replaced. Even Obama himself has said so.
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Because of what ACA has become in politics between Republicans and Democrats, it is unlikely any parts of ACA will really be repaired anytime soon. I would even go so far as to say it would take a Democrat President and Democrat controlled Congress to get any help to ACA. Any political split will mean continuation of try after try to repeal, if it all goes Republican it will end up with a total repeal. Which would be like dropping a bomb on the healthcare industry, ACA was designed to be painful as hell to remove. That and Republicans are a little lacking on a good alternative other than a couple of suggestions added to what healthcare was like before ACA.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It does not mean all you think it does.

Putting a veto on his signature legislation is just that, protecting his legislation effort. The only people moved by that veto are those who are already opposed to ACA for whatever reason.

And that concludes that Congressional Republicans forcing Obama's veto is purely a political stunt, there was no expectation that Obama would cave on this.
The only gain for Republicans trying for the umpteenth time to repeal ACA is exciting their base
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Some far-right evangelicals in the GOP would like to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom controlling every American's private life.

That's not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Wait and see.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
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It actually makes sense strategically. Out of all the votes to repeal Obamacare, this will be the first time such a bill will actually reach the President's desk.
 
Hicup said:
Did you say that with a straight face?
The Dems owned congress and the WH in 2008.. What did they do exactly?
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Tim-
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You have a poor memory. They passed the Affordable Care Act which the GOP would like to get rid of but will have to live with.

:lol:
 
OrphanSlug said:
Because of what ACA has become in politics between Republicans and Democrats, it is unlikely any parts of ACA will really be repaired anytime soon. I would even go so far as to say it would take a Democrat President and Democrat controlled Congress to get any help to ACA. Any political split will mean continuation of try after try to repeal, if it all goes Republican it will end up with a total repeal. Which would be like dropping a bomb on the healthcare industry, ACA was designed to be painful as hell to remove. That and Republicans are a little lacking on a good alternative other than a couple of suggestions added to what healthcare was like before ACA.
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I agree with you except about the part that it will take a Democrat Congress and President. In fact, I think the best chance of getting it done will be the opposite. Here's why...

The Democrats may be reticent to make too may changes do to pride in authorship. The Republicans will not be politically hamstrung when it comes to putting all parts under review. Plus, I do not think that an entire repeal (in actuality, they may call it that, but it won't happen) will ever happen, because too many parts of the PPACA have widespread support, even from the GOP, such as no restrictions for pre-existing conditions, portability, etc. There are a number of other aspects that were left out by the Democrats, one of which I have no idea why they did so, and that is the ability to buy insurance across state lines.

Now think about that one issue for just a second. The Congress stated that they had jurisdiction to do the PPACA because of interstate commerce and their power in the Commerce Clause, but they refused to allow the purchase of insurance across state lines. The only part that's passed SCOTUS muster so far was the Tax, which the Obama Administration actually argued was not a tax, but rather a penalty, and the SCOTUS upheld the law under the Tax Clause power given to Congress.

Amazing.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
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It actually makes sense strategically. Out of all the votes to repeal Obamacare, this will be the first time such a bill will actually reach the President's desk.
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I can't believe you are buying into this "strategy." In the video Ryan is talking about repealing ACA and defunding Planned Parenthood, by using Congressional "reconciliation" as a means to force Obama's hand.

Again, nothing is being forced! This is Obama's signature legislation here and there is no expectation it would pass his desk, the onus is now on Ryan to get a Veto override vote or admit this was purely about "letting the President know what we stand for." As if he did not already know.

This is a political stunt, and I'll continue to say so until Ryan gets the votes to override the expected Obama veto. Until then, ACA and funding for Planned Parenthood is probably going to stick around.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Starting at about 20:30...



It actually makes sense strategically.
Out of all the votes to repeal Obamacare, this will be the first time such a bill will actually reach the President's desk.
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And make it all the way to the wastebasket,eh?

:lol:
 
shrubnose said:
You have a poor memory. They passed the Affordable Care Act which the GOP would like to get rid of but will have to live with.

:lol:
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Yes, they passed it without a single republican vote.. Now that we've established that fact, are you saying that in doing so that the completely demo controlled congress and presidency was unable to walk and chew gum at the same time? ;)


Tim-
 
Crovax said:
That's my point the Democrats refused to bring bills to the floor when they had the majority and that was somehow the republicans fault for not doing anything. Now the republicans are in the majority and they are bringing bills to the floor passing them and a Democrat is stopping them with vetoes and that is also somehow the republicans fault.
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Really? Seems to me that you're confusing "refusing to bring bills to the floor" with the Republican senators' use of the filibuster at the highest rate in American history. Why would the Republican senators have to conduct filibusters if bills weren't being "brought to the floor" in the first place?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Starting at about 20:30...



It actually makes sense strategically. Out of all the votes to repeal Obamacare, this will be the first time such a bill will actually reach the President's desk.
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I have a hell of a lot of respect for Paul Ryan.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? Seems to me that you're confusing "refusing to bring bills to the floor" with the Republican senators' use of the filibuster at the highest rate in American history. Why would the Republican senators have to conduct filibusters if bills weren't being "brought to the floor" in the first place?
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OMG, do you even follow politics? Where do you get your political news? Harry Reid protected the President the whole time, even on bills HIS own party showed bi-partisan support for. Heck even the budget bills were left in the waste basket because 99 senators said no to the President.. :)

Tim-
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? Seems to me that you're confusing "refusing to bring bills to the floor" with the Republican senators' use of the filibuster at the highest rate in American history. Why would the Republican senators have to conduct filibusters if bills weren't being "brought to the floor" in the first place?
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And the Democrats of this congress will be at a close 2nd of all time with thier filibusters, that's just BAU now
 
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