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Russian Soldiers Said Involved In Downing Of MH17 Airliner

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Russian Soldiers Said Involved In Downing Of MH17 Airliner

January 05, 2016

Dutch prosecutors are investigating a claim by a citizen-journalist group that at least 20 Russian soldiers were involved in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014. The Britain-based Bellingcat group said it had identified up to 100 Russian soldiers who may have knowledge of the movements of the Buk missile launcher that destroyed the Boeing 777 on July 17, 2014, killing all 298 on board.

Two weeks ago, the highly respected British open-source investigative team known as Bellingcat sent evidence to an international consortium of investigators in the Netherlands concerning the shoot-down of Malaysia flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine which killed all 298 aboard. Bellingcat had previously documented how a BUK anti-air missile system from Russia was brought into eastern Ukraine and then quickly removed after the MH17 airliner was downed. The new evidence reportedly implicates 20 Russian soldiers who were active members of the Second Battalion of the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade based in the area of Kursk, Russia. These Russian soldiers transported the BUK from Russia into eastern Ukraine in July 2014. Explicitly named is Dmitry T. (the commander of the Second Battalion) and nine lieutenants who were in charge of the BUK. These 20 soldiers undoubtedly know who fired the missile and if that individual is/was among their Russian BUK team. The Bellingcat evidence was handed over to the Dutch Public Prosecution Office and JIT investigators from the Netherlands, Belgium, Malaysia, Ukraine and Australia. A redacted report for the public will be published later this month.

It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY than Russia would allow Dutch/JIT investigators to interview any of these Russian soldiers. To insulate itself from a UN international criminal investigation, on 29 July 2015 Russia vetoed a Security Council resolution that would have set up an international criminal court to prosecute those responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine a year ago. Russia was the only country on the 15 member Security Council to veto the resolution.

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Bellingcat has sent its BUK report/evidence to the Netherlands
 
Pure Propaganda from a most dependable source.
 
Doubtful this "investigation" goes anywhere but the rhetoric route.
 
I've read this on numerous Eastern European news sites. I have not, however, seen it in western news sources as of yet.
 
Typical language "reportedly implicates" turns into "EVIDENCE" by some.
 
I've read this on numerous Eastern European news sites. I have not, however, seen it in western news sources as of yet.
It is widely reported internationally...

Deutsche Welle - Germany
Bellingcat: New evidence against Russian soldiers on MH17

Guardian - United Kingdom
MH17 crash: Dutch investigators to assess new study implicating Russian soldiers

NL Times - Netherlands
MH17: Dutch investigators to study claims identifying Russian soldiers implicated in MH17 crash

Telegraph - United Kingdom
Dutch investigators to study British citizen journalism probe into MH17

Irish Independent - Ireland
'Citizen journalists' used online photos and data to identify Russian soldiers allegedly involved in MH17 crash

The Straits Times - Singapore
UK group says it has identified Russians behind MH17 crash

China Post - China
Dutch investigators to study citizen journalism probe into Flight MH17

The Japan Times - Japan
Dutch to study citizen journalism probe into MH17 downing over Ukraine in 2014



Eliot Higgins originally blogged under the psudonym Brown Moses (a Frank Zappa song). He gained international fame for documenting the Syrian use of cluster-munitions and barrell-bombs. He also documented the Syrian usage of chemical weapons including the Ghouta chemical attack in detail. He geolocated the ISIS execution site of James Foley, and of ISIS mass execution sites in Mosul and Tikrit. (The mass graves in liberated Tikrit where exactly where he calculated).

He formed Bellingcat with a grant from the crowdsourcing Kickstarter orgaization. Bellingcat exposed active Russian soldiers in Ukraine "Soldier Selfies" (Russian soldiers were not aware that Instagram photos are by default geo-tagged). Co-authored a report with the Atlantic Council " Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin's War in Ukraine". Bellingcat collected all camera/phone videos of the MH17 shoot down. Bellingcat documented one Russian soldiers journey from his base in Siberia, across Russia, into Ukraine, and then interviewed him in a Rostov-on-Don, Russia hospital (he had been wounded in Ukraine). Using pictures, videos, geolocation, and witness statements, Bellingcat traced the BUK from Russia into eastern Ukraine, and then back into Russia. Bellingcat has also collaborated with Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

The Dutch/JIT MH17 investigators have previously used evidence(s) provided by Bellingcat. No citizen investigative-organization is better at collecting/preserving digitized information from social media and then applying the laws of physics/optics to conclusively identify persons, places, and things.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed on Monday that they are “seriously studying” the claims, made in a 123-page report based on an analysis of thousands of photographs and social media posts by members of Russia’s 53rd air defence brigade. "We received the report just after Christmas," Wim de Bruin, a spokesman for the Dutch prosecutor's office said. "We will seriously study it and determine whether it can be used for the criminal inquiry," de Bruin said.
 
Simpleχity;1065426689 said:
It is widely reported internationally...

Deutsche Welle - Germany
Bellingcat: New evidence against Russian soldiers on MH17

Guardian - United Kingdom
MH17 crash: Dutch investigators to assess new study implicating Russian soldiers

NL Times - Netherlands
MH17: Dutch investigators to study claims identifying Russian soldiers implicated in MH17 crash

Telegraph - United Kingdom
Dutch investigators to study British citizen journalism probe into MH17

Irish Independent - Ireland
'Citizen journalists' used online photos and data to identify Russian soldiers allegedly involved in MH17 crash

The Straits Times - Singapore
UK group says it has identified Russians behind MH17 crash

China Post - China
Dutch investigators to study citizen journalism probe into Flight MH17

The Japan Times - Japan
Dutch to study citizen journalism probe into MH17 downing over Ukraine in 2014



Eliot Higgins originally blogged under the psudonym Brown Moses (a Frank Zappa song). He gained international fame for documenting the Syrian use of cluster-munitions and barrell-bombs. He also documented the Syrian usage of chemical weapons including the Ghouta chemical attack in detail. He geolocated the ISIS execution site of James Foley, and of ISIS mass execution sites in Mosul and Tikrit. (The mass graves in liberated Tikrit where exactly where he calculated).

He formed Bellingcat with a grant from the crowdsourcing Kickstarter orgaization. Bellingcat exposed active Russian soldiers in Ukraine "Soldier Selfies" (Russian soldiers were not aware that Instagram photos are by default geo-tagged). Co-authored a report with the Atlantic Council " Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin's War in Ukraine". Bellingcat collected all camera/phone videos of the MH17 shoot down. Bellingcat documented one Russian soldiers journey from his base in Siberia, across Russia, into Ukraine, and then interviewed him in a Rostov-on-Don, Russia hospital (he had been wounded in Ukraine). Using pictures, videos, geolocation, and witness statements, Bellingcat traced the BUK from Russia into eastern Ukraine, and then back into Russia. Bellingcat has also collaborated with Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

The Dutch/JIT MH17 investigators have previously used evidence(s) provided by Bellingcat. No citizen investigative-organization is better at collecting/preserving digitized information from social media and then applying the laws of physics/optics to conclusively identify persons, places, and things.

First, I do not doubt that the reports are accurate.

Second, I have said since the day it started, that Crimea is illegally occupied by Russia and has been annexed at the point of a gun.

Thirdly, I feel that Russia has even more complicity in this than even the current reports suggest.
 
I've read this on numerous Eastern European news sites. I have not, however, seen it in western news sources as of yet.

Well by golly, the mainstream media would never mislead us, eh?
 
First, I do not doubt that the reports are accurate.

Second, I have said since the day it started, that Crimea is illegally occupied by Russia and has been annexed at the point of a gun.

Thirdly, I feel that Russia has even more complicity in this than even the current reports suggest.

There is some history to this. The Ukraine was part of Russia until Nikita Kruschev, a Ukranian himself, broke off the Ukraine from Russia, and made it it's own SSR, which became independent when the Soviet Union broke up. Putin took it back at the point of a gun.
 
There is some history to this. The Ukraine was part of Russia until Nikita Kruschev, a Ukranian himself, broke off the Ukraine from Russia, and made it it's own SSR, which became independent when the Soviet Union broke up. Putin took it back at the point of a gun.

At the point of a gun eh? How many shots were fired? Must not have been much resistance. :shrug:
 
Gather round kids, it's time for Simplexity's weekly 'I hate Russia' thread.

Geez man, did Russians blow up your house or something - where is all this INCREDIBLE amount of hatred for them coming from?

Hey, I think Putin is a pig...but you just take hatred to a new level.
 
There is some history to this. The Ukraine was part of Russia until Nikita Kruschev, a Ukranian himself, broke off the Ukraine from Russia, and made it it's own SSR, which became independent when the Soviet Union broke up. Putin took it back at the point of a gun.

Point of a gun?

You do realize that they had a referendum that was something like 80-90% in favour of joining Russia and that opinion polls backed this position up? And that most Crimeans considered themselves Russian more then Ukranian?

Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union' - BBC News


Putin is a pig, but if he had not had Russian troops fan out from their military base at Sevastopol during the referendum; it is reasonable to assume that Kiev would have tried to stop the Crimea from leaving (like they did in the Donetsk region) and there would now be two huge areas of civil war in that part of the world instead of one.
It is Kiev that refused to honour the will of her people and deliberately started a war to force them to stay.

I do not care what Ukranian law says, if the vast majority of a region vote to leave that country, they should be allowed to leave. But Kiev would rather kill their citizens rather then let them exercise their democratic rights.
In Canada for example, if roughly 65% of a province votes to leave the country - basically (after some tying up of loose ends like debt) they can leave. That is the way it should be.
But in the Ukraine, if 80+% of a region votes to leave - the leaders of Kiev will send in the troops and kill you if you try and leave.
It is Kiev that is forcing it's people to stay from the point of a gun.
 
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There is some history to this. The Ukraine was part of Russia until Nikita Kruschev, a Ukranian himself, broke off the Ukraine from Russia, and made it it's own SSR, which became independent when the Soviet Union broke up. Putin took it back at the point of a gun.

Yes. I'm aware of all that as well as how Ukraine became "part of Russia" around Circa 1800. Ukraine was part of the area where our very western civilization emerged from the first anthropologically recorded Eurasian Neanderthal Age to the emergence of the Bronze Age and beyond. That area has been fought over for millennia, and Putin is just the latest thief to lay claim.
 
Pure Propaganda from a most dependable source.

Ah yes anything that doesn't tow the line of the Russian Ministry of Communications and Mass Media AKA RT and Sputnik is propaganda.
 
Point of a gun?

You do realize that they had a referendum that was something like 80-90% in favour of joining Russia and that opinion polls backed this position up? And that most Crimeans considered themselves Russian more then Ukranian?

Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union' - BBC News

It was an illegal and fraudulent referendum conducted under an illegal military occupation conducting mass murder and ethnic cleansing of the ethnic Ukrainian population held by a Prime Minister sworn in under the cover of AKs and RPGs in the ****ing parliament building which did not even offer the voters the option to remain part of the Ukraine and did not have international observers from the UN but rather far right anti-EU neo-Nazi radicals claimed by the Muscovite fascists to be neutral international observers. Thats not to mention the admitted voter intimidation of the fascist Russian terrorists and the obviously fraudulent results and turn out. This was an illegal annexation any way you slice it so spare us you Muscovite propaganda.
 
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Gather round kids, it's time for Simplexity's weekly 'I hate Russia' thread.

Geez man, did Russians blow up your house or something - where is all this INCREDIBLE amount of hatred for them coming from?

Hey, I think Putin is a pig...but you just take hatred to a new level.

It's time for DA's daily regurgitation of talking points from the Russian Ministry of Communications and Mass Media with the ubiquitous "I really don't like Putin I promise though I will defend his every action on every thread every chance I get, but I don't like him please believe me," thrown in.
 
Typical language "reportedly implicates" turns into "EVIDENCE" by some.

Yes it has been reported that the evidence implicates the mass murdering Russian pigs. Especially you know their ****ing confessions.
 
Well by golly, the mainstream media would never mislead us, eh?

No we must like you get our information from the Russian Ministry of Communications and Mass Media AKA RT and Sputnik, then we can all be good little goose steppers.
 
It was an illegal and fraudulent referendum conducted under an illegal military occupation....
Indeed ... and the referendum was rigged. Both options yielded the same results.

In addition, the referendum violated both the constitution of Ukraine and the constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC).

2% of Ukraine's total population (in Crimea) cannot unilaterally dictate the fate of sovereign land and property that belong to all 46 million Ukrainians.

On 27 March 2014, 100 UN nations rejected the Russian theft and occupation of Crimea...

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A screen shows the votes of delegates at the UN General Assembly on Resolution (68/262) concerning
the territorial integrity of Ukraine/Crimea on 27 March 2014




Bellingcat will release its MH17 shooter-report on January 24/25.

If they didn't before, the Dutch/JIT investigators now have names, faces, and digital evidence that implicates the Second Battalion of the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade based in Kursk, Russia.
 
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