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Obama Accuses Trump of Exploiting Working-Class Fears

Mycroft said:
Really???

Got a link to justify that?
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Yes (although I linked it previously): Table A-16. Persons not in the labor force and multiple jobholders by sex, not seasonally adjusted

Notice that the total labor force participation rate is broken down and that the next line is "people who currently want a job." It sits, currently, at about 5.3 million.

Now, you could quibble about whether that necessarily means that the other 89 million do not have a job because that is their choice (the quote you highlighted), but it would be a debate of intentions and semantics at that point.
 
rcart76 said:
Exactly. Even after showing his birth certificate, there was still some in the republican party that still refuse to believe that he was American yet will not even question Cruz. Hmmm what is the difference between the two?
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What's the difference? For starters, about +100 IQ points for Cruz.
 
MrT said:
Yes (although I linked it previously): Table A-16. Persons not in the labor force and multiple jobholders by sex, not seasonally adjusted

Notice that the total labor force participation rate is broken down and that the next line is "people who currently want a job." It sits, currently, at about 5.3 million.

Now, you could quibble about whether that necessarily means that the other 89 million do not have a job because that is their choice (the quote you highlighted), but it would be a debate of intentions and semantics at that point.
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There's no quibbling: A-38. Persons not in the labor force by desire and availability for work, age, and sex 89 million do not want a job at this time.
 
Anyone else pointed out the irony of Mr. "Seniors Won't Get Social Security Checks, We'll Shut Down All Monuments, and Republicans Want To Hurt Your Grandmother" claiming that anyone else is exploiting someone's fears?
 
cpwill said:
Anyone else pointed out the irony of Mr. "Seniors Won't Get Social Security Checks, We'll Shut Down All Monuments, and Republicans Want To Hurt Your Grandmother" claiming that anyone else is exploiting someone's fears?
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Only those looking for a soft chuckle and a lazy ideological argument.
 
pinqy said:
There's no quibbling: A-38. Persons not in the labor force by desire and availability for work, age, and sex 89 million do not want a job at this time.
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Thanks for this information because it appears to support my statements more succinctly, but I was also making the point that it is possible that some of the 89 million secretly do want a job. But, of course, that's only useful to someone who is desperately grasping at straws in order to show that Obama has still failed.
 
rcart76 said:
1) What part of this is a lie?

2) How is this any different from saying "People voted for Obama because they want "free" things?
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The scorn is because he is incompetent. It has nothing to do with his color regardless of how many times he whines about it.
 
Moderate Right said:
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
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I don't think so.

Trump may be exploiting working-class fears, but Obama exploits Non-Working-Class fears.

They are not the same group of people.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"The race card" was thrown in by Donald Trump, just look at many of his ****ing statements.



Also its pretty clear he is. Just look at the demographics of his supporters...
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How did Trump make Obama say what he said?
 
Mycroft said:
In 2014, there was a US population of 318,857,065 and 14% of them were 65 and over...that comes to 44, 639,989.1 people. Do you really think we have almost 50 million people who are taking care of their disabled wives or something similar?

USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

LOL!!
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I have to admit I LOVE this talking point because it's a good "wingnut" indicator. Anyone pushing the "90 million OUT OF WORK!!" line is reading crap and believing it because the number really is meaningless.

Yes, it includes retirees, as you indicate about 45 million or so (assuming your numbers are correct) 65 or over and millions more who retire younger than 65.

It also includes:
1) Stay at home parents
2) Full time students
3) Permanently disabled
4) Sick/temporarily disabled
5) Someone taking a year off to tour the West, or hike the AT
6) Someone taking time off to care for a sick family member.
7) Independently wealthy
8) Many other people who for all kinds of reasons don't want a job right now. Like a friend of mine whose company was sold, he cashed out enough to live on for years, and took 9 months off to be with his two young kids.

BTW, here's the definition of the work force:

In the United States, the civilian noninstitutional population refers to people 16 years of age and older residing in the 50 States and the District of Columbia who are not inmates of institutions (penal, mental facilities, homes for the aged), and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.
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So by wingnut logic someone still in HS but without a job and not looking for a job is treated as a failure of the economy. It's pretty funny really, which is why this talking point is such a reliable indicator.
 
MrT said:
Only those looking for a soft chuckle and a lazy ideological argument.
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Nah. :) There's nothing ideological about pointing out that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black :).
 
Mason66 said:
I don't think so.

Trump may be exploiting working-class fears, but Obama exploits Non-Working-Class fears.

They are not the same group of people.
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You don't consider low income Hispanics and African Americans to be working class?
 
cpwill said:
You don't consider low income Hispanics and African Americans to be working class?
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Yes but Obama's target audience are the non workers who collect government money.
 
Seems Trump has learned the political game.
Can anyone with a straight face state that Obama, Hilary, or any politician from any party does not try and play the "fear" card.

There are some who are now playing that Trump is a "bully" card and I must be a victim. Guess who... Hillary.

Its all political bs from both sides.
 
cpwill said:
Nah. :) There's nothing ideological about pointing out that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black :).
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Of course there it is ground in a political ideology - instead of criticizing Trump, this type of argument attempts to justify one person's actions by noting that the opponent has engaged in vaguely similar conduct. And the strongest reasoning for finding a similarity is a political pre-disposition to criticize Obama anyways.
 
Mason66 said:
I don't think so.

Trump may be exploiting working-class fears, but Obama exploits Non-Working-Class fears.

They are not the same group of people.
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But they both use fear-mongering as a way to advance their political agendas. It's pretty much the same thing.
 
MrT said:
Of course there it is ground in a political ideology - instead of criticizing Trump, this type of argument attempts to justify one person's actions by noting that the opponent has engaged in vaguely similar conduct.
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No, that would be the tu quoque fallacy. :) I have zero intention to justify or defend Trump's rhetoric. That Obama uses the same tactics he derides in Trump does not make either better.

Nor would be engaging in the tu quoque fallacy here be grounded in ideology - it would be grounded in partisanship.

And the strongest reasoning for finding a similarity is a political pre-disposition to criticize Obama anyways.
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No, the strongest reason for finding a similarity is President Obama's own words.
 
Ikari said:
But they both use fear-mongering as a way to advance their political agendas. It's pretty much the same thing.
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Yes it is but wouldn't you say it is a bit worse when it is the sitting President doing it?
 
Mason66 said:
Yes it is but wouldn't you say it is a bit worse when it is the sitting President doing it?
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Bush did it too. Fear mongering isn't new, and has become the government's favorite tactic. If Trump were elected, do you think he'd stop with the fear mongering?
 
Mason66 said:
How did Trump make Obama say what he said?
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Did Donald Trump not bring up the "race card" first in this situation? Obama was merely responding to Trumps comments, which were using the "race card".
 
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