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Under Fire From G.O.P., Obama Defends Response to Terror Attacks

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Thrilla said:
yes yes.. terrorism didn't' exist until Bush created it.... i've heard it all before, many times.
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Oh it existed, and many governments in the world use it to advance their interests. Islamic terrorism was contained however by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.
 
Obama needs to stop straddling the fence. Either put your chips in or back all the way out.

I'd prefer (very strongly) if we just back all the way out. Whenever we stick our hands in that jar, it gets bit. Leave that place to it's own devices until the fires start to die down.
 
Thrilla said:
yes.. you do.... you most certainly do.... you continually argue we should leave tyrannical dictators in power, and generally list a few reasons why.. that's called "support" in any language.

we haven't tried my way , so i'm not sure how you believe it has made matters worse..... can you list the ways "my way" has failed?
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How about the countries that are ignored. Just look to Africa.
 
Montecresto said:
Of course I've argued we should have left them there. For the reasons that the intelligence services reported, namely that taking Hussein out caused an increase in global terror and made the world less safe. So apparently, that's what you support. ;)
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well there ya go... don't go complaining about you supporting tyrannical dictators anymore.

wrong again...I'm not under the delusion that one must support one evil to combat the other... I'm opposed to both
 
Montecresto said:
Oh it existed, and many governments in the world use it to advance their interests. Islamic terrorism was contained however by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.
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yeah, It sure was contained... Islamic terroism never happened while they were in power, including 9/11

/sarcasm
 
Montecresto said:
The conditions may have been there, but they were perennially frustrated by those I mentioned.
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I will now quote from professor Mehren Kamrava's The Modern Middle East: A Political History Since The First World War., the third edition.

In the Final Months of 2010 and in early 2011, all the ingredients for a mass uprising came together to usher in a revolutionary wave that began in a small, remote town in Tunisia and went on to engulf the whole of the country, then Egypt, and from there Libya, Bahrain, and Syria. the ingredients for the social movements that collectively came to be known as the Arab Spring had all been present for some time. what finally sparked the revolution was the breaking of the fear barrier, in the form of a dramatic act of self-immolation by a distraught fruit seller in the tunisian city of Sidi Buzid.
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Montecresto said:
The Islamic State in Iraq formed in October of 2006 in the power vacuum left by the removal of Hussein. Btw, have you noticed that Ted Cruz has now declared that that was a mistake and that as a matter of US national security, he should have remained. That's besides the fact that both British and US intelligence services have reported that the invasion and occupation of Iraq caused increased global terror and made the world less safe. And yes, Obama's subsequent policies have further exacerbated the problem.
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It pre-dates Bush back to Clinton. All speaking and acting on the same intel. I don't blame anyone, and I agree that it might not have been the best course of action. But I also recall nobody having a problem with it when the decision was made.

Likewise, part of this war with ISIS, the intensifying tension with Russia, the subversive nature of China.....none of it comes with a playbook. But you can't just stand pat forever.
 
other. the US needs to extract itself from the Middle East almost entirely and replace oil as our primary transportation fuel instead.
 
Thrilla said:
well there ya go... don't go complaining about you supporting tyrannical dictators anymore.

wrong again...I'm not under the delusion that one must support one evil to combat the other... I'm opposed to both
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I'm not complaining, I'm correcting you. So you think our intelligence services, the British intelligence services and Ted Cruz, to name a few, are supporters of dictators. Do you have criticisms for Reagan for supporting Hussein then, or Bush for supporting Saudi Arabia. I don't like black snakes either, but they check the rat population.
 
Thrilla said:
no need to go all over to kill the beast... taking away it's home base takes away it's entire infrastructure and funding streams..... their will be a few stragglers out there, but the goal is never to kill off 100% of the members... it's to kill off the organization itself and let the stragglers wither into nothing.

none of this really matters at this point,the decision not to make a substantial effort to take them out was made long ago... explaining the rationale now doesn't mean anything to anyone.
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LOL We already did that and ISIS came right back. Sending masses of troops would doom them to a prolonged insurgency that we cannpt win. The ground work must be done by locl muslims or it will never stand.
 
Erod said:
It pre-dates Bush back to Clinton. All speaking and acting on the same intel. I don't blame anyone, and I agree that it might not have been the best course of action. But I also recall nobody having a problem with it when the decision was made.

Likewise, part of this war with ISIS, the intensifying tension with Russia, the subversive nature of China.....none of it comes with a playbook. But you can't just stand pat forever.
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To the bolded. Then you weren't listening, or I wasn't yelling loud enough. Just kidding, neither of us were here then. But I was protesting in real time, others were to, and it think you know that they were, so you shouldn't say nobody. It was an automatic tar and feather doing so, I caught much grief at work at the time, Ask Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame. And, the Islamic State formed in Iraq in 2006, the same year that a consensus report by our nations 16 intelligence agencies was dropped on Bush's desk informing him that his invasion and occupation of Iraq caused increased global terror and made the world less safe. So, sometimes doing nothing is better than doing stupid. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were the containment of Islamic extremists, I've maintained that consistently all along, and increasingly (as evidenced by Ted Cruz recently) more and more people are agreeing with me.
 
Montecresto said:
I'm not complaining, I'm correcting you. So you think our intelligence services, the British intelligence services and Ted Cruz, to name a few, are supporters of dictators. Do you have criticisms for Reagan for supporting Hussein then, or Bush for supporting Saudi Arabia. I don't like black snakes either, but they check the rat population.
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I have criticisms for any Americans who would dare support tyrannical dictators.

I'm very principled on the matter and I see no need or utility in changing that principle to support that which I absolutely hate with a passion.
I hate dictators even more than I hate terrorists, though I neither accept nor support either.

I also have big problems with US strategy when it comes to taking dictators or terrorist out.... we have the finest military the planet has ever known, and the most ignorant cowardly civilian leaders imaginable.
 
Montecresto said:
To the bolded. Then you weren't listening, or I wasn't yelling loud enough. Just kidding, neither of us were here then. But I was protesting in real time, others were to, and it think you know that they were, so you shouldn't say nobody. It was an automatic tar and feather doing so, I caught much grief at work at the time, Ask Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame. And, the Islamic State formed in Iraq in 2006, the same year that a consensus report by our nations 16 intelligence agencies was dropped on Bush's desk informing him that his invasion and occupation of Iraq caused increased global terror and made the world less safe. So, sometimes doing nothing is better than doing stupid. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were the containment of Islamic extremists, I've maintained that consistently all along, and increasingly (as evidenced by Ted Cruz recently) more and more people are agreeing with me.
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The group originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda and participated in the Iraqi insurgency following the March 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces. Joining other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, it proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) in October 2006.
 
JANFU said:
He told the columnists that he envisioned sending significant ground forces to the Middle East only in the case of a catastrophic terrorist attack that disrupted the normal functioning of the United States.
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Because who doesn't wait for the horse to get out before closing the barn door?

This man is a born leader!
 
Thrilla said:
I have criticisms for any Americans who would dare support tyrannical dictators.

I'm very principled on the matter and I see no need or utility in changing that principle to support that which I absolutely hate with a passion.
I hate dictators even more than I hate terrorists, though I neither accept nor support either.

I also have big problems with US strategy when it comes to taking dictators or terrorist out.... we have the finest military the planet has ever known, and the most ignorant cowardly civilian leaders imaginable.
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But you won't find any that do. Like I said, a snake can bite you, but they also check the rat population.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL We already did that and ISIS came right back. Sending masses of troops would doom them to a prolonged insurgency that we cannpt win. The ground work must be done by locl muslims or it will never stand.
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no, we did not already do that... you are severely mistaken.

the local population ( not just Muslims) is a very important factor, yes.... but local populations are rarely successful in handling things all by themselves against highly organized paramilitary organization, or well armed tyrannical governments.
 
soot said:
Because who doesn't wait for the horse to get out before closing the barn door?

This man is a born leader!
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And going back into Iraq is a loser.
 
Thrilla said:
I have criticisms for any Americans who would dare support tyrannical dictators.

I'm very principled on the matter and I see no need or utility in changing that principle to support that which I absolutely hate with a passion.
I hate dictators even more than I hate terrorists, though I neither accept nor support either.

I also have big problems with US strategy when it comes to taking dictators or terrorist out.... we have the finest military the planet has ever known, and the most ignorant cowardly civilian leaders imaginable.
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the miliatary follows civilian orders for a reason, because millitary men lose sight of the bigger picture.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
the miliatary follows civilian orders for a reason, because millitary men lose sight of the bigger picture.
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that's not why the military follows civilian orders.... and I think you'll find some of our career high officers know the big picture far far better than those whom hold elected temp jobs.

admittedly, we military folks do lean towards going to the guns to handle stuff a bit quicker than most... but we're also very aware of how effective utilization of force can be, and is...when properly applied.
 
Thrilla said:
yeah, It sure was contained... Islamic terroism never happened while they were in power, including 9/11

/sarcasm
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Another one that doesn't understand what contain means. When the fire chief declares that the fire is 40% contained! has he said that the fire is out?
 
Thrilla said:
yes, i find them all over....more often then not, they find me..... like you did.
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But I just told you that I don't support dictators, do you have a problem reading, or something else.
 
Thrilla said:
I have criticisms for any Americans who would dare support tyrannical dictators.

I'm very principled on the matter and I see no need or utility in changing that principle to support that which I absolutely hate with a passion.
I hate dictators even more than I hate terrorists, though I neither accept nor support either.

I also have big problems with US strategy when it comes to taking dictators or terrorist out.... we have the finest military the planet has ever known, and the most ignorant cowardly civilian leaders imaginable.
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So, then you must be against America supporting the Saudi Arabian Royal Family? A horrible bunch who refuse to share power, give women almost no rights and behead people for the tinniest of reasons.
 
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