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No evidence California attackers were part of terrorist cell: FBI head

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DA60 said:
'There is no evidence a married couple who killed 14 people in California this month were part of a terrorist cell, the head of the FBI said on Wednesday, confirming that investigators believe the pair were inspired but not directed by Islamic State.'

No evidence California attackers were part of terrorist cell: FBI head | Reuters


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We are fighting an ideology, not merely a people. We will most likely find "cells" promulgating propaganda and perhaps orchestrating supply chains but the "warriors" are unlikely to be organized beyond very small, unrelated groups.
 
DA60 said:
'There is no evidence a married couple who killed 14 people in California this month were part of a terrorist cell, the head of the FBI said on Wednesday, confirming that investigators believe the pair were inspired but not directed by Islamic State.'

No evidence California attackers were part of terrorist cell: FBI head | Reuters




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My thoughts are, so what. It doesn't make them any less the terrorists that they were. A two person terrorist cell can do a lot of damage just like a 10 person terrorist cell can. These two were clearly acting on behalf of ISIS. It's not like you have to put in a job application and pass a background and drug test to be a terrorist, or apparently to get into the country for that matter.
 
DA60 said:
'There is no evidence a married couple who killed 14 people in California this month were part of a terrorist cell, the head of the FBI said on Wednesday, confirming that investigators believe the pair were inspired but not directed by Islamic State.'

No evidence California attackers were part of terrorist cell: FBI head | Reuters

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In terms of the investigation into responsibility and "motive" that does confuse the matter, but for the most part our general debate on handling Islamic Extremism (or really any religious extremism) no matter which group they follow, or are instructed by, or are influenced by should not be impacted. The other thing we cannot completely discard is even some passive association to ISIS (or someone like them,) simply because the FBI cannot find evidence of it to date. For all we know additional information could come out down the road showing some level of communication with a terrorist cell even if there is no record of an actual order to commit the terrorist act by that cell.
 
Works for me.

Just goes to show how hard it is to stop or catch an ideology.
 
Chomsky said:
Works for me.

Just goes to show how hard it is to stop or catch an ideology.
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Especially if the current administration downplays the effectiveness of those who want to kill you, and you, and you...

:notlook:
 
DA60 said:
'There is no evidence a married couple who killed 14 people in California this month were part of a terrorist cell, the head of the FBI said on Wednesday, confirming that investigators believe the pair were inspired but not directed by Islamic State.'

No evidence California attackers were part of terrorist cell: FBI head | Reuters


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Does not matter if they were aligned with anyone it is the reason they attacked and murdered and injured their victims that counts. They are terrorists any way one looks at it.
 
DA60 said:
'There is no evidence a married couple who killed 14 people in California this month were part of a terrorist cell, the head of the FBI said on Wednesday, confirming that investigators believe the pair were inspired but not directed by Islamic State.'

No evidence California attackers were part of terrorist cell: FBI head | Reuters

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This was about what I expected. Various portions of it had the hallmark of essentially a "Lone" (or in this case duo) Wolf attack that was inspired by and in line with the call to arms that ISIS and other such groups have given, but wasn't DIRECTLY tied to them.

This is similar to what Al Qaeda, in their INSPIRE Magazine, labels as "Open Source Jihad". The idea that, instead of organized cells, information on how to attack can be disseminated and allows for individuals abroad who wish to join the jihad to easily learn and execute an attack in the name of said terror group/allah/etc without necessarily having to take the risks that come up when there is direct and clear contact with the organization itself.
 
Zyphlin said:
This was about what I expected. Various portions of it had the hallmark of essentially a "Lone" (or in this case duo) Wolf attack that was inspired by and in line with the call to arms that ISIS and other such groups have given, but wasn't DIRECTLY tied to them.

This is similar to what Al Qaeda, in their INSPIRE Magazine, labels as "Open Source Jihad". The idea that, instead of organized cells, information on how to attack can be disseminated and allows for individuals abroad who wish to join the jihad to easily learn and execute an attack in the name of said terror group/allah/etc without necessarily having to take the risks that come up when there is direct and clear contact with the organization itself.
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There are Islamic State cells in every US state. We might comfort ourselves that these were "lone wolves". Nevertheless, they were Islamic State fighters, and pulled off a very large terrorist attack. We've been told why they attack, but we keep pretending that it's because they hate American values! :roll:
 
Montecresto said:
There are Islamic State cells in every US state. We might comfort ourselves that these were "lone wolves". Nevertheless, they were Islamic State fighters, and pulled off a very large terrorist attack. We've been told why they attack, but we keep pretending that it's because they hate American values! :roll:
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What the hell are you even on about here? Is this actually supposed to be a response to what I wrote, or just using what I wrote as a spring board? Where in the world did I indicate that anyone should find "comfort" as to whether or not these are lone wolves or part of a larger cell? Each of those things are significantly dangerous, even if it is in part for different reasons. Neither is a "comforting" thought.
 
Neither ISIS or any other terrorist organization claimed credit for the attack so I believe it. I don't think it matters all that much. I do think lone wolf operators are a bit more scary because they are less likely to be stopped via intelligence collection.
 
Zyphlin said:
What the hell are you even on about here? Is this actually supposed to be a response to what I wrote, or just using what I wrote as a spring board? Where in the world did I indicate that anyone should find "comfort" as to whether or not these are lone wolves or part of a larger cell? Each of those things are significantly dangerous, even if it is in part for different reasons. Neither is a "comforting" thought.
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Easy feller, I don't believe the directors report. Seems to me that as the agency has already informed us that they are present, napping in all 50 states, that it's odd to tell us that this wasn't a direct act of the Islamic State, but just a couple lone wolves acting on their sympathies. That may comfort Americans, but I don't believe it. I only addressed it to you because you seemed to indicate that you buy the lone wolf story. :shrug:
 
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tres borrachos said:
They were terrorists. I don't think the Director claimed they weren't.
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I disagree.

'ter·ror·ist
ˈterərəst/
noun
plural noun: terrorists
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.'

From Google search

They may have been terrorists. To me, they sound more like whackos who went on a killing spree and used ISIS/American foreign policy as a justification.

One thing is certain...they were nuts.
 
BrewerBob said:
I stand corrected.
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No worries dude, I just wanted you to know. The first report about Islamic extremists in America came from LE in 2004 when they declared they were pouring in after the invasion of Iraq. Subsequently they have informed us that the Islamic State is sleeping in all 50 states. They took credit for SB, and there's going to be plenty more, and, they're not going to be 15 years apart like 9/11 and SB. Our policies in the ME have brought this on, and Americans are only just beginning to acknowledge this. This is the only thing that makes Ted Cruz appealing.

AP Conversation: Cruz: US more secure with Assad in power
 
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