Tobacco sales to people under 21 banned in Cleveland

Anomalism said:

If an 18 year old is not mature enough to make a decision about whether or not they want to smoke cigarettes, how can that same 18 year old be mature enough to decide to join the military? This is asinine.

Tobacco sales to people under 21 banned in Cleveland | fox8.com

Cleveland City Council approved a sweeping change Monday night. They voted in favor of raising the minimum age to 21 of those who can buy tobacco products and e-cigarettes in Cleveland. It passed 13 to 3. The legislation bans stores from selling cigarettes, tobacco and e-cigarettes to those under 21 in the City of Cleveland. The first offense would be a fourth-degree misdemeanor, which could result in 30 days in jail or a $250 fine. Additional offenses would be second-degree misdemeanors and that could potentially mean 90 days in jail.

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Anomalism said:

If an 18 year old is not mature enough to make a decision about whether or not they want to smoke cigarettes, how can that same 18 year old be mature enough to decide to join the military? This is asinine.

Tobacco sales to people under 21 banned in Cleveland | fox8.com

Cleveland City Council approved a sweeping change Monday night. They voted in favor of raising the minimum age to 21 of those who can buy tobacco products and e-cigarettes in Cleveland. It passed 13 to 3. The legislation bans stores from selling cigarettes, tobacco and e-cigarettes to those under 21 in the City of Cleveland. The first offense would be a fourth-degree misdemeanor, which could result in 30 days in jail or a $250 fine. Additional offenses would be second-degree misdemeanors and that could potentially mean 90 days in jail.

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Anomalism said:

If an 18 year old is not mature enough to make a decision about whether or not they want to smoke cigarettes, how can that same 18 year old be mature enough to decide to join the military? This is asinine.

Tobacco sales to people under 21 banned in Cleveland | fox8.com

Cleveland City Council approved a sweeping change Monday night. They voted in favor of raising the minimum age to 21 of those who can buy tobacco products and e-cigarettes in Cleveland. It passed 13 to 3. The legislation bans stores from selling cigarettes, tobacco and e-cigarettes to those under 21 in the City of Cleveland. The first offense would be a fourth-degree misdemeanor, which could result in 30 days in jail or a $250 fine. Additional offenses would be second-degree misdemeanors and that could potentially mean 90 days in jail.

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Anomalism said:

If an 18 year old is not mature enough to make a decision about whether or not they want to smoke cigarettes, how can that same 18 year old be mature enough to decide to join the military? This is asinine.

Tobacco sales to people under 21 banned in Cleveland | fox8.com

Cleveland City Council approved a sweeping change Monday night. They voted in favor of raising the minimum age to 21 of those who can buy tobacco products and e-cigarettes in Cleveland. It passed 13 to 3. The legislation bans stores from selling cigarettes, tobacco and e-cigarettes to those under 21 in the City of Cleveland. The first offense would be a fourth-degree misdemeanor, which could result in 30 days in jail or a $250 fine. Additional offenses would be second-degree misdemeanors and that could potentially mean 90 days in jail.

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MolonLabe said:

You really don't know?

Here's reality. Politicians make blanket decisions because they know the consequences of those decisions will not affect them personally. So, why is it okay for an 18 year old kid to go off to war and fight but not buy cigarettes or beer? Because politicians kids are not affected by that decision.

Why is it okay to bring potentially dangerous refugees into this nation, some of whom we know will eventually act out violently and kill Americans? Because politicians know that it won't be them or their family that pays the price in blood for that decision. It will be everyday working class Americans at some office Christmas party.

Why is it okay to drive your electric bill sky high in the name of "clean energy"? Because politicians can easily afford a big hike in their electric bill, if they are even paying one. Most are not. Instead it is the rank and file American citizen who pays the price for their agenda.

Why is it okay to raise the issue of banning guns every time some wack job shoots up some public place? Because politicians know that they will never be without their guns and their armed guards and their gated communities. It is the rank and file American citizen that will pay the price when the only people left with guns in the your community are the criminals.


This story over cigarettes is in Cleveland. Cleveland is a liberal city and if there is one thing you have to know about liberal politicians it is that they see the American citizen as beneath them. They consider you just some dumb troglodyte who is too stupid to make your own decisions and thus they feel they must make all your decisions for you because they are out of control power mongers.


“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C. S. Lewis

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MolonLabe said:

You really don't know?

Here's reality. Politicians make blanket decisions because they know the consequences of those decisions will not affect them personally. So, why is it okay for an 18 year old kid to go off to war and fight but not buy cigarettes or beer? Because politicians kids are not affected by that decision.

Why is it okay to bring potentially dangerous refugees into this nation, some of whom we know will eventually act out violently and kill Americans? Because politicians know that it won't be them or their family that pays the price in blood for that decision. It will be everyday working class Americans at some office Christmas party.

Why is it okay to drive your electric bill sky high in the name of "clean energy"? Because politicians can easily afford a big hike in their electric bill, if they are even paying one. Most are not. Instead it is the rank and file American citizen who pays the price for their agenda.

Why is it okay to raise the issue of banning guns every time some wack job shoots up some public place? Because politicians know that they will never be without their guns and their armed guards and their gated communities. It is the rank and file American citizen that will pay the price when the only people left with guns in the your community are the criminals.


This story over cigarettes is in Cleveland. Cleveland is a liberal city and if there is one thing you have to know about liberal politicians it is that they see the American citizen as beneath them. They consider you just some dumb troglodyte who is too stupid to make your own decisions and thus they feel they must make all your decisions for you because they are out of control power mongers.


“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C. S. Lewis

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