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Donald trump calls for barring Muslims from entering US

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(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

A new low for the Trump campaign, which seems to pride itself for making a mockery of our civilization.
 
I doubt that your sources actually took a look at what makes Daesh tick.

That requires reading and analyzing the the sources that Daesh draw inspiration from.

You don't even know what the sources I list are, and worse you clearly haven't bothered to look in to them.

That kind of intransigent ignorance is shameful.

If you had you'd know that they're all valuable additions to any reading on anything related to terrorism or Islamic extremism more generally.
 
Anyone who supports Trump and this disgusting tripe he endorses, best prepare for those who attack and either injure or kill innocent Muslims. When you support this, then prepare for the repercussions of raising the level of hate directed at Muslims which is what Trump is doing.

There will be more attacks, it is the nature of the world we live in.
Whether in the EU- NA- Africa,- Asia, attacks will occur.
People will die. Perhaps hundreds, who knows.
Then repercussion by wackos will follow.
Innocent Muslims will be attacked and or die. Do you suppoort that?
You do if you support Trumps hate rhetoric directed at Muslims. Deny it all you want, but prepare for the results.

Who's attacking and killing innocent muslims janfu? Other muslims? Are you saying some other group is going to start attacking innocent muslims now?
 
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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

A new low for the Trump campaign, which seems to pride itself for making a mockery of our civilization.

It's insane.
Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump
I fear for this country.
 
You don't even know what the sources I list are, and worse you clearly haven't bothered to look in to them.

That kind of intransigent ignorance is shameful.

If you had you'd know that they're all valuable additions to any reading on anything related to terrorism or Islamic extremism more generally.

Aren't understanding the the motives and the basis of Daesh's belief's important factors in understanding how Daesh conduct themselves?

Daesh believe that we are currently in the end times, they are predicting that the final climatic battle between Islam and the west will happen in Syria at a town north of Allepo.

Their entire existence is based on the notion that the chaos in the Middle East is part of the prophized final battle.
 
Relevant: Dear Islamophobes: Your Racism Is Putting Us All In Danger
Former President George W. Bush was a lot of things, but one thing he wasn't was soft. He responded to the attack on 9/11 by invading not one but two countries, authorized the use of torture and indefinite detention and launched a mass surveillance program. When the occupation of Iraq turned against the U.S., he surged more troops at it.
Bush did all of this, he felt, to keep the country safe. (He was wrong, of course; his decisions essentially created the self-described Islamic State.) But there was one more thing he did, not because he was soft or in the grips of political correctness, but because he knew it would make the country safer: He embraced Muslims and regularly referred to Islam as a "religion of peace." Whatever horrors befell Muslims overseas on Bush's orders, here at home, he worked to be as inclusive of the Muslim community as possible.
Surprising as it may seem today, that effort mostly worked. Anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim political parties in Europe have stirred up a tremendous amount of Islamophobia there, and such attitudes naturally drive feelings of anger and betrayal. For a young man or woman on the edge, it can be just enough to push them into radicalization, and it's not a coincidence that Europe has seen far more homegrown attacks. Yet we here in the U.S. seem to be barreling headlong for that same cliff.
For members of the national security community, Bush's approach is 101-level strategy, which accounts for its longstanding bipartisan support. It's why Bush refused to say "radical Islamic terror" and why President Barack Obama followed his lead. But with the rise of the ultra-conservative wing of the GOP, and the surge of presidential contenders like Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz, all of whom have demonized Muslims in one way or another, it is nearly a requirement for a GOP candidate to dog whistle, or worse, against Muslims. And voters have rewarded them: Trump, Carson and Cruz are now vying for the lead.
In his Oval Office address on Sunday night, Obama took aim at Islamophobia.
"We cannot turn against one another by letting this fight be defined as a war between America and Islam," he said.

... and what does Trump do?
 
Who's attacking and killing innocent muslims janfu? Other muslims? Are you saying some other group is going to start attacking innocent muslims now?

You do not get it do you. He has set forth polices and rhetoric that has created ethnic/religious divide. He is laying the floor for repercussions by wackos targeting innocent Muslims after the next attack occurs.
Some will in all probability die. Do you support that?
 
Your "hero" Bush the forked tongued one, attacking two muslim countries that had little to nothing to do with 911.
 
What's sad is, part of me thinks that George Wallace had more tact and respect for minorities on the campaign trail in 1968 while he campaigned to restore segregation.
 
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I do not think Trump has any clue as to the danger his rhetoric puts us in.

It is no longer amusing watching whom Trump appeals to just to illustrate prejudices among some in a party, and it is no longer a source of politics to bring up his xenophobia. Ironically, Trump claiming to represent the group of Americans most concerned over our safety are championing the one person making it much worse.

His message by the end of the day tomorrow will be discussed across the greater Middle East region from all of their sources, and in all of those ideological circles. But worse than that, will be how ISIS plans to capitalize on how insane Trump is turning out to be.

ISIS and like minded organizations will now *want* Trump as President at all costs. His mouth gives them every excuse to go out and harm anything "west" and Trump as President creates a poster child for recruitment.

It is absolutely ****ing pathetic that this is the state of American politics. For this side of the pond, a 3rd grader will be able to whip the hell out of him in a post primary debate on this subject. Too bad for him it is looking like he will face Hillary in said debate, and this will get ugly quick.

The only thing that might save Independents to vote for Hillary, is watching that angry fool win the Republican nod. Forget what I said earlier, the further we go with this the more likely Independents and moderates will vote for Hillary... out of pure safety concern for the hate Trump would bring down on the US from a good third of the planet.

I have followed Presidential election/primaries for some time, but is this year not more hateful than previews primaries?
The Trump statements are and have laid the floor for attacks on innocents due to ethnicity-religion.
 
I swear to gawd., I think if he said put all Muslim in concentration camps, his support would skyrocket with these right wing nutcranks.
 
Who sees bush as their hero?

I do not think it was directed at anyone in particular. Though some just love Bush and the wars.
 
I'm not surprised. He's the "shock jock" of the campaign trail. Lucky for every one this should ensure he doesn't make it to the end.
 
You do not get it do you. He has set forth polices and rhetoric that has created ethnic/religious divide. He is laying the floor for repercussions by wackos targeting innocent Muslims after the next attack occurs.
Some will in all probability die. Do you support that?

I don't support your logic, no, sorry.
Trump isn't saying cause harm to muslims, he's saying put a moratorium on Muslim immigration. Which most Americans would probably support at this point.

How are you arriving at your assumption that anti Muslim violence will occur when it's not occurring now?
 
I don't support your logic, no, sorry.
Trump isn't saying cause harm to muslims, he's saying put a moratorium on Muslim immigration. Which most Americans would probably support at this point.

How are you arriving at your assumption that anti Muslim violence will occur when it's not occurring now?
Oh be patient, and my logic on the repercussions is correct.
And Trump has singled out Muslims as a danger.
 
I have followed Presidential election/primaries for some time, but is this year not more hateful than previews primaries?
The Trump statements are and have laid the floor for attacks on innocents due to ethnicity-religion.

The only that comes to mind from recent campaigns is Pat Buchanan from the 2000 election, the one where he ultimately tried a "Reform Party." It did not get much playing time but I recall an ad where some guy was basically dying while on 911, with the operator asking him about the language he spoke from a long list. Buchanan had a similar but much less outward xenophobic thing going often talking about the "nation being taken away from us" by foreigners.

But Trump is going well beyond anything Buchanan tried, and in some ways is doubling down (tripling down perhaps) on the idea of appeal to a majority right along those racial or natural born citizens vs. foreign born citizens lines. I do not recall, and I may have missed it, where Buchanan went so far as to isolate or vilify some demographic so specifically as Trump seems willing to do.

I do not think Trump is so stupid as to knowingly encourage people to harm various groups, but it would be foolish to rule out what the rhetoric means to division oriented politics in this nation going forward. In a nation hell bent on finding ways to divide, Trump is a new chapter in willingness to go to a new level appealing to a group that is arguably already scared and/or angry at whomever right wing media has established as the bad guy.

Yesterday it was all immigrants, especially those south of the border. Today it is anyone Muslim, treat them all a certain way because of the actions of the few. Tomorrow, who knows who is next? I am waiting on Trump to go after the Black voter and complete the hand of hatred.
 
The only that comes to mind from recent campaigns is Pat Buchanan from the 2000 election, the one where he ultimately tried a "Reform Party." It did not get much playing time but I recall an ad where some guy was basically dying while on 911, with the operator asking him about the language he spoke from a long list. Buchanan had a similar but much less outward xenophobic thing going often talking about the "nation being taken away from us" by foreigners.

But Trump is going well beyond anything Buchanan tried, and in some ways is doubling down (tripling down perhaps) on the idea of appeal to a majority along right along those racial or natural born citizens vs. foreign born citizens lines. I do not recall, and I may have missed it, where Buchanan went so far as to isolate or vilify some demographic so specifically as Trump seems willing to do.

I do not think Trump is so stupid as to knowingly encourage people to harm various groups, but it would be foolish to rule out what the rhetoric means to division oriented politics in this nation going forward. In a nation hell bent on finding ways to divide, Trump is a new chapter in willingness to go to a new level appealing to a group that is arguably already scared and/or angry at whomever right wing media has established as the bad guy.

Yesterday it was all immigrants, especially those south of the border. Today it is anyone Muslim, treat them all a certain way because of the actions of the few. Tomorrow, who knows who is next? I am waiting on Trump to go after the Black voter and complete the hand of hatred.

Oh he is not stupid, but the rhetoric will lead to repercussions.
Terror attacks are the norm. Shown thru history.
More will occur, in the US, Canada and the EU to name a few.
Death tolls may me low or high, eevn higher than paris was is a disticnt possibility.
Then, the wackos act.
PS- i remember Pat- he was out to lunch in my opinion, but his anger-hate was no wheres near trumps.
I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that what i have posted will occur.
The hate/fear level keeps on rising, instigated by those with an agenda targeting Muslims.
 
Well, in the meantime, Google death by ladders.

No need to. But when the innocent are murdered, i will ask you for your opinion on that.
I am sure you will be as wishy washy as you are in this rebuttal you posted.

Last thing- As i am fond of old sayings- does your mother know you are out?
 
I don't think Trump is being unreasonable. We Americans have been put through a lot since 9-11, on matters of security. This includes x-raying, taking off of shoes, having private possessions confiscated at airports, having all our phone calls recorded etc. If we are that at risk of another muslim attack, then common sense dictates not letting certain type of persons in this country that have a propensity for terrorism, which the muslims most certainly do.
 
The fact that Donald Trump is a nut case is clearly demonstrated by other members of the Republican Party which, to a man (and woman), have condemned Trump's statement, and some are even referring to Trump as a Fascist.
 
I swear to gawd., I think if he said put all Muslim in concentration camps, his support would skyrocket with these right wing nutcranks.

His support is stronger among self-identified "Moderate / Liberals" than it is with "Very Conservative" or "Tea Party Supporter" types. Generally Trump seems to appeal to our moderate nutcranks.
 
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