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Tube terror as knifeman screaming 'this is for Syria' slashes man's throat

Unitedwestand13 said:
Then that requires inspiring patriotism and duty to ones country in the Muslims that settle in America and that requires inclusion.
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Well I'm from the UK but the point still applies. Why should we have to inspire patriotism? British muslims enjoy the same benefits I do, they get a good standard of education, great social benefits, free healthcare etc. Why should we have to inspire people that are born and bred British citizens?
 
Higgins86 said:
Well I'm from the UK but the point still applies. Why should we have to inspire patriotism? British muslims enjoy the same benefits I do, they get a good standard of education, great social benefits, free healthcare etc. Why should we have to inspire people that are born and bred British citizens?
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If you are asking Muslims to raise the alarm if one of their community is plotting an act of terror, the duty to ones country has to out weigh the fear of being demonized and shunned by the community for betraying one of their own.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If you are asking Muslims to raise the alarm if one of their community is plotting an act of terror, the duty to ones country has to out weigh the fear of being demonized and shunned by the community for betraying one of their own.
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well they shouldn't be shunned should they?
 
One thing the friends and family of every person that commits some heinous act is their shock and surprise. Muslim, Christian, atheist, all of them. Whether that's denial, in the sense that you excuse the inexcusable because family, or you might notice something odd but just don't even entertain the unthinkable because it's unthinkable that your nearest and dearest might do that, it makes little difference. The end result is, relatives are as shocked as anyone else, if not more, when it happens. Monday morning quarterbacks, who knew they were going to do it are ten a penny once hindsight kicks in, but pre-warning is actually rare.
 
As much as some criticize radical Islamic terrorists, there isn't a religion in the world that has anything on US Christians. In the name of Christianity, we have killed / slaughtered Indians, enslaved / tortured Blacks and have ultimately created the greatest terror organization in the world (US Military).... Before we criticize the religion of Islam, perhaps we should take a look in the mirror.....We aren't so peaceful ourselves....
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If you are asking Muslims to raise the alarm if one of their community is plotting an act of terror, the duty to ones country has to out weigh the fear of being demonized and shunned by the community for betraying one of their own.
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It is quite clear in the religion. Right from Mohamed.


Islamic FAQ - Islam
Q17: Do Muslims have loyalty to their faith before the country they live in? (Back to Top)

Islam does not draw any distinction between loyalty to one's faith and nation. Muslims who enjoy the liberty to practice and preach their faith are required to honour the government of their country, and to live as decent, law-abiding citizens.

For the first thirteen years of his ministry, Prophet Muhammad(saw) and his followers were persecuted citizens in Makkah, yet within that period they never raised arms against their oppressors as they were still able to fulfill certain religious duties.

Prophet Muhammad(saw) is reported to have said:

‘Love for one's country is part of faith’ (Sakhavi)

Muslims are therefore required to live by this noble teaching and remain loyal to their country. [see also ‘What is Islam’s view on obedience to the law of the land?’]
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Obeying the law in non-Muslim countries | IslamToday - English
Accordingly, we conclude the following:

Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings. In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

One of the best approaches for a Muslim living in these countries is patience. As long as he agrees to live in a non-Muslim country, he is never to rebel against the inhabitants of his choice of residence, even it seems to hard for him to endure.
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Saucey said:
The police should be able to respond within seconds in London. Because you guys have literally a few million cameras everywhere right? lol
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I would have no idea. I'm not British.

truthatallcost said:
Now onto the next attack, coming soon while we twiddle our thumbs.
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Twiddle your thumbs all you want. Whilst you do that, the police will deal with these attacks. I'd prefer their methods over yours.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Then you are letting Daesh win.

They are trying to make us turn on Muslims, and those Muslims then join Daesh.
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As you can observe, it is the Muslims who are turning on us.

These attacks just show how many Muslim living in the west, are willing to kill innocents in order to prove a point of how not everyone in their religion are murderous nutters. Wait what? Oh... :mrgreen:
 
Astrodome said:
As much as some criticize radical Islamic terrorists, there isn't a religion in the world that has anything on US Christians. In the name of Christianity, we have killed / slaughtered Indians, enslaved / tortured Blacks and have ultimately created the greatest terror organization in the world (US Military).... Before we criticize the religion of Islam, perhaps we should take a look in the mirror.....We aren't so peaceful ourselves....
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I feel so white guilty now. Must...take...shower...
 
Soho gator said:
I agree somewhat. No civilian should own say a switch blade or KBAR
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I think there is a cease right now about knives and the 2nd Amendment. Everyone pretty much expects the legalization of automatic knives. I already have a pretty nice one. Active duty are allowed to buy them and I took advantage of the opportunity to get one. I already had a Ka-Bar. A Ka-bar is pretty much like a small butcher knife. The fear of a butcher knife is pretty much hysterics.

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Manc Skipper said:
Have you seen the youtube clip where some Dutch guys ask passers-by their opinion on disturbing bloodthirsty selected passages they read from a Koran, then once they've condemned it, they reveal it's actually a Bible in a fake Koran wrapper?

These Pranksters Read Bible Passages to People, Telling Them It Was the Qur?an; They Were Shocked
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But I mean that's just an aged piece of script. It would be relevant if modern day Christians were acting out on this but that's not the case. Islamic fundamentalists however are acting on every little scrape they can get from their religious text.

I would act I am atheist and think all religious text are absurd,
 
JANFU said:
No, that is an uneducated viewpoint used to increase hatred towards Muslims.
The only good Muslim is a dead one.
Where did i read a similar statement decades ago? Please help me with that.
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You sure you're replying to the right comment janfu? You may have overdosed on poutine and Trudeau shirtless pics. Nothing in my comment that would suggest any of what you wrote.
 
JANFU said:
As they do for other religions, Jews for example.
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Hmm, muslims are 4.5% of the UK's population, and 13.1% of the prison population. Jews are 0.5% of the overall pop. Let's see a source for your claim.
 
JANFU said:
Spreadd the fear, some buy in, as you do.
What rights would you give away that you have. And-what rights for Muslims would you do way with and what Muslim specific laws would you have??
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At this point, saying more attacks will happen isn't a very controversial statement is it?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Have you seen the youtube clip where some Dutch guys ask passers-by their opinion on disturbing bloodthirsty selected passages they read from a Koran, then once they've condemned it, they reveal it's actually a Bible in a fake Koran wrapper?

These Pranksters Read Bible Passages to People, Telling Them It Was the Qur?an; They Were Shocked
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What's there to see? The Bible is nothing like the quran. Not even comparable. People who don't understand the Bible or know anything about the islamic ideology don't know squat 'bout nothin'. I had covered this in other thread, so I'm just gonna copy/paste them here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-city-muslim-majority-14.html#post1065278474

"And you're comparing apples to oranges. In islam all the commandments, especially the violent jihad against unbelievers, were and still consider to be sacred and binding on muslims for all times and for all places globally. They are open ended commandments. That's why you see islamic violence against infidels by religiously devout followers carrying out islamic conquest on just about every nations they encountered or when they become about majority. They have been doing jihad as commanded by their allah aka mohammed to the letter for almost 1,400 years since the advent of islam.

The violence in OT was a narration of Biblical history where in the Bible God specifically commanded the Israelites who to kill and who they were not supposed to kill nor even disturb when they passed by them on their way to the promised lands. Those whom God told the ancient Israelites to kill were a portion of Canaanites that did evil. Some tribes God allowed the israelites to kill was because they attacked the Israelites despite knowing that God was with them on a Divine mission and mandate. In short, the OT commandments were only for a prescribed time and place and prescribed group of people in ancient past. We don't have ancient Israelites, Canaanites, Hittites, Moabites, etc in out time, do we?"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-city-muslim-majority-16.html#post1065278549

"Let me put it in a nutshell for you so you can understand. The reason given in the quran for islamic jihad to kill is simply because of we are infidels. The benefit or rewards for muslims is not only voluptuous virgins in islamic paradise if they die fighting for the cause of allah. If they live and victorious, they get the share of booties and the conquest of nations.

The reason given in the Bible for ancient israelites to kill, and only ancient israelites, is because those tribes did evil; for they had given themselves to the demonic hosts of satan in practicing human sacrifice of infants to false gods and goddesses. Do you not think the it is right to exterminate ISIS for their evil deeds on earth they do to innocent human lives? That's the reason God needs to cleanse earth of evil when it comes to full measure."
 
dolphinocean said:
What's there to see? The Bible is nothing like the quran. Not even comparable. People who don't understand the Bible or know anything about the islamic ideology don't know squat 'bout nothin'. I had covered this in other thread, so I'm just gonna copy/paste them here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-city-muslim-majority-14.html#post1065278474

"And you're comparing apples to oranges. In islam all the commandments, especially the violent jihad against unbelievers, were and still consider to be sacred and binding on muslims for all times and for all places globally. They are open ended commandments. That's why you see islamic violence against infidels by religiously devout followers carrying out islamic conquest on just about every nations they encountered or when they become about majority. They have been doing jihad as commanded by their allah aka mohammed to the letter for almost 1,400 years since the advent of islam.

The violence in OT was a narration of Biblical history where in the Bible God specifically commanded the Israelites who to kill and who they were not supposed to kill nor even disturb when they passed by them on their way to the promised lands. Those whom God told the ancient Israelites to kill were a portion of Canaanites that did evil. Some tribes God allowed the israelites to kill was because they attacked the Israelites despite knowing that God was with them on a Divine mission and mandate. In short, the OT commandments were only for a prescribed time and place and prescribed group of people in ancient past. We don't have ancient Israelites, Canaanites, Hittites, Moabites, etc in out time, do we?"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-city-muslim-majority-16.html#post1065278549

"Let me put it in a nutshell for you so you can understand. The reason given in the quran for islamic jihad to kill is simply because of we are infidels. The benefit or rewards for muslims is not only voluptuous virgins in islamic paradise if they die fighting for the cause of allah. If they live and victorious, they get the share of booties and the conquest of nations.

The reason given in the Bible for ancient israelites to kill, and only ancient israelites, is because those tribes did evil; for they had given themselves to the demonic hosts of satan in practicing human sacrifice of infants to false gods and goddesses. Do you not think the it is right to exterminate ISIS for their evil deeds on earth they do to innocent human lives? That's the reason God needs to cleanse earth of evil when it comes to full measure."
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Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all Semitic religions. They all stem from the same source.
 
Saucey said:
The police should be able to respond within seconds in London. Because you guys have literally a few million cameras everywhere right? lol
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The police did respond relatively quickly. Problem is, they were unarmed! They tased the terrorist but it had no effect, which happens. Then the cop starts to panic as he has this tall insane person with a knife standing before him.
 
Higgins86 said:
Good thing this guy couldn't get his hands on something more serious.
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Seriously, if we had a proper gun culture then carnage like this just wouldn't be able to happen on our streets.
 
dolphinocean said:
What's there to see? The Bible is nothing like the quran. Not even comparable. People who don't understand the Bible or know anything about the islamic ideology don't know squat 'bout nothin'. I had covered this in other thread, so I'm just gonna copy/paste them here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-city-muslim-majority-14.html#post1065278474

"And you're comparing apples to oranges. In islam all the commandments, especially the violent jihad against unbelievers, were and still consider to be sacred and binding on muslims for all times and for all places globally. They are open ended commandments. That's why you see islamic violence against infidels by religiously devout followers carrying out islamic conquest on just about every nations they encountered or when they become about majority. They have been doing jihad as commanded by their allah aka mohammed to the letter for almost 1,400 years since the advent of islam.

The violence in OT was a narration of Biblical history where in the Bible God specifically commanded the Israelites who to kill and who they were not supposed to kill nor even disturb when they passed by them on their way to the promised lands. Those whom God told the ancient Israelites to kill were a portion of Canaanites that did evil. Some tribes God allowed the israelites to kill was because they attacked the Israelites despite knowing that God was with them on a Divine mission and mandate. In short, the OT commandments were only for a prescribed time and place and prescribed group of people in ancient past. We don't have ancient Israelites, Canaanites, Hittites, Moabites, etc in out time, do we?"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-city-muslim-majority-16.html#post1065278549

"Let me put it in a nutshell for you so you can understand. The reason given in the quran for islamic jihad to kill is simply because of we are infidels. The benefit or rewards for muslims is not only voluptuous virgins in islamic paradise if they die fighting for the cause of allah. If they live and victorious, they get the share of booties and the conquest of nations.

The reason given in the Bible for ancient israelites to kill, and only ancient israelites, is because those tribes did evil; for they had given themselves to the demonic hosts of satan in practicing human sacrifice of infants to false gods and goddesses. Do you not think the it is right to exterminate ISIS for their evil deeds on earth they do to innocent human lives? That's the reason God needs to cleanse earth of evil when it comes to full measure."
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The answer you are looking for is 152.

(That is exactly how many angels can dance on the head of a pin in case you're wondering)
 
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