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Donald Trump opens commanding lead in new CNN poll

jimbo said:
While I agree with some of your positions, disagree with others, you don't help your case with posts such as this one.

Nothing there that would stand up to any scrutiny.
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It's just a little DEFINITION OF CHARACTER. Sometimes you just gotta smack a moron up side the head with the truth.
 
jmotivator said:
A new Monmouth poll in Iowa has Cruz beating trump by 5 points. I'm not claiming that it will hold, but if that did hold through the Iowa primary I think that would be the death knell for Trump. He would likely drop nationally by 5-7% to 22-25% (his base) because the visage of the unbeatable Trump would be done. We could also see as much as 14 points up for grab as the also-rans start to realize they are only helping Trump by staying in and splitting the opposition.

I'll make a wild guess so that people can beat me up later... After the NH caucus the GOP national polls will go something like this:

Rubio 25
Cruz 23
Trump 22
Carson 19
Bush 11

The more I look at the numbers the more I'm thinking Rubio has it simply because his position is firmly between Establishment and grass roots and will likely take a good chunk of votes from all dropouts. I think it will come down to which direction the Carson evangelicals move after Carson drops out.
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One poll. And Monmouth isn't exactly the most accurate poll out there. The middle tier of Republican candidates are doing now what they did four years ago. Show spurts of upward movement in the polls. That upward movement is followed by a drop. Remember how the pundits all tried to suggest that Fiorina won the second debate? Her numbers shot up and then down.

Trump's numbers have only gone up.

And remember that Rick Santorum won Iowa.
 
 
reason10 said:
One poll. And Monmouth isn't exactly the most accurate poll out there. The middle tier of Republican candidates are doing now what they did four years ago. Show spurts of upward movement in the polls. That upward movement is followed by a drop. Remember how the pundits all tried to suggest that Fiorina won the second debate? Her numbers shot up and then down.

Trump's numbers have only gone up.

And remember that Rick Santorum won Iowa.
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No, Trumps numbers have gone down as well.

I'm aware that Santorum won Iowa, I think you should apply that same logic to Trump's early lead.
 
jmotivator said:
No, Trumps numbers have gone down as well.

I'm aware that Santorum won Iowa, I think you should apply that same logic to Trump's early lead.
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No, he hasn't and that early lead has translated into a not so early commanding lead.
 
clownboy said:
No, he hasn't and that early lead has translated into a not so early commanding lead.
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No, it really isn't a commanding lead. It is only a commanding lead if all current contenders stay in the race until the end, which they won't. 65-75% of the primary voters are not on Trump's side, they are just spread out across a bunch of candidates. As the field narrows the primary voters will have fewer choices, and I expect most of the not-Trump primary voters will stay not-Trump
 
It's funny to me that you guys think Trump is in the lead because all of the right wing voting base are a bunch of "Merica!" truck driving red necks. I'm not even going to bother getting off in the weeds about the fact that there are a whole bunch of stupid people that vote for Democrat candidates. What I will say is that Trump is not in the lead because of some low brow knuckle dragging voter base. Trump is in the lead because right wing voters are put out with the Republican party, pure and simple. We had the Republican party sweep the House and Senate and most of the State Legislatures across the country in the last election. This happened because of the very unpopular President and the things the Democrat party were forcing on the American people like ohh say Obamacare. That wasn't the sole issue, but it was the big issue that cost the left a lot of seats in government during the last election. The problem for the Republican party started when they got into office and didn't even try to deliver on the promises they made with respect to stopping the out of control President and doing something about Obamacare. Instead they quickly took a piss on the people that voted them into office and shook hands with the Democrats. Then they moaned and complained that they couldn't get anything done because they needed the Presidency. This was after they moaned and complained that they couldn't get anything done because they didn't have the Senate.

Trump is in the lead because Trump is not an establishment Republican. Right wing voters know that the Republicans have stabbed them in the back. The truth of the matter is that left wing voters have been stabbed in the back by their party too and apparently are just too stupid to figure it out, although I think some of them are starting to come around. The real truth of the matter is that the ruling class of politicians in this country don't give a crap about the rank and file American people. Oh sure they come around every couple of years and tell you what they figure you want to hear so that you'll vote for them and keep them in the luxurious lifestyle to which they have become very accustom in Washington. Does everyone here know that six of the ten wealthiest counties in the United States are the counties immediately surrounding Washington DC? Now it's not like there is a lot of industry or other capital generating businesses around there. So where do you think they got all that money? Check your paycheck the next time you get one, that's where.

It really makes me laugh when I read all the oh so sophisticated and enlightened comments on these political forums. You guys are so busy insulting one another over your left or right political leanings and yet you haven't figured out the simple truth. Keeping us divided is exactly what the respective political powers want. Failing public schools is exactly what the ruling political class wants. Political correctness in the extreme is exactly what the ruling political class wants. All of it makes you dumb and easy to manipulate. The notion that you should hate someone just for their political leaning is naive in the extreme but it sure does ensure that you're a guaranteed vote for your party of preference in the next election.

How's that war on poverty going libs? We've been waging it for over 50 years and yet we still have roughly the same percentage level of impoverished people in America now as we did then. Why? Because that's how they want it. Keeping you hooked on the false promise that someday the Government will lift you out of poverty and all the while establishing a system that will keep you there and keep you voting left.

How's that pro life abortion fight going repubs? You guys have been struggling to over turn Roe v. Wade since the day it became law and you're no closer now than you were then. Why? Because that's how they want it. Keeps you coming back for more.

So don't be fooled. Donald Trump is not in the lead because of low IQ right wingers. I mean seriously, you guys on the left actually think Hillary gives a crap about any of you? You think she actually wants to be President for the good of America. Hillary want's to be President for the good of Hillary, not for any of us here. Donald Trump is the same way. But Trump has one thing going for him. He hasn't stabbed the American people in the back yet and he's not an establishment Republican. That's the real reason Donald is out front.
 
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No.

I don't hate my political opponents. I don't always appreciate the politicians. Kind of ironic for you to repeatedly insult the intelligence of democrats and then criticize divisiveness.

The war on poverty was alleviated by treating the symptom which requires continual treatment. Americans don't have the balls to solve the causes of poverty.

Obamacare was pretty good, nobody seems to be able to articulate any serious problems with it without lying their ass off.

I don't care if Hillary cares about me or caters to my personal desires. I'd actually rather elect a politician that increases my personal tax burden so long as they increase social spending.

Lastly, the idea that Trump's lack of experience justifies his success is horrifyingly ass backwards. It's just ridiculous to consider that the least qualified person is the most qualified.
 
99percenter said:
LOL Muslim friends. Are those folks also the investigators he sent to Hawaii to find obama's birth certificate?
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Actually, it was HILLARY who first did the Birther thing.

You liberals always seem to forget that, just like you conveniently forget that it was ALGORE who originally found Willie Horton.
 
reason10 said:
Trump's numbers have NOT gone down.

And anyone comparing Santorum to Trump is an idiot.
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The problem with American politics at this point is that people treat it like a sport. They get so tied to a candidate that all reason evaporates.

Trumps highest RCP aggregate poll result was 30.5% in September 2015, he has not reached that level since. He is very close now, but he has been significantly below that for several months. So Yes, Trumps numbers have gone down, stop kidding yourself.
 
jmotivator said:
The problem with American politics at this point is that people treat it like a sport. They get so tied to a candidate that all reason evaporates.

Trumps highest RCP aggregate poll result was 30.5% in September 2015, he has not reached that level since. He is very close now, but he has been significantly below that for several months. So Yes, Trumps numbers have gone down, stop kidding yourself.
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Trump has led the pack from the beginning and he continues to lead the pack. He is going to be the nominee. And he is going to kick Hillary's Nazi ass.

And the fact that he is leading the pack means that he is the ONLY Republican who can beat her.
 
reason10 said:
Trump has led the pack from the beginning and he continues to lead the pack. He is going to be the nominee. And he is going to kick Hillary's Nazi ass.

And the fact that he is leading the pack means that he is the ONLY Republican who can beat her.
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None of that is actually true. Trump hasn't lead from the beginning, he took the lead from Jeb Bush in July and briefly surrendered the lead to Carson in November. The fact that he draws 25-30% of Republican voters is no indication of how he would perform in a general election where that 30% equates to about 15% of the actual voting public. Again, Trump's leads are almost entirely derived from how thinly the votes are currently spread. The majority of Republican voters don't back Trump. How you think this will translate to 2016 success is a mystery. It's not like he is going to win Democrats and Independents to make up for losing Republicans.
 
jmotivator said:
None of that is actually true. Trump hasn't lead from the beginning, he took the lead from Jeb Bush in July and briefly surrendered the lead to Carson in November. The fact that he draws 25-30% of Republican voters is no indication of how he would perform in a general election where that 30% equates to about 15% of the actual voting public. Again, Trump's leads are almost entirely derived from how thinly the votes are currently spread. The majority of Republican voters don't back Trump. How you think this will translate to 2016 success is a mystery. It's not like he is going to win Democrats and Independents to make up for losing Republicans.
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You are proven wrong by the actually numbers yet again:

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Republican Presidential Nomination
 
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