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Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven

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"I will say something very strong here. If such a thing is proven, the nobility of our nation would require that I would not stay in office," Erdogan was quoted by the state-run Anatolia news agency as saying on the sidelines of the UN climate talks near Paris, which Putin is also attending.

Challenging Putin, who has refused to meet the Turkish leader after the shooting down of a Russian military jet, Erdogan added: "And I tell Mr Putin 'would you stay in that office?' I say this clearly."

Putin earlier Monday accused Ankara of shooting down the Russian Su-24 warplane last week to protect supplies of oil from the Islamic State group to Turkey, charges Turkey vehemently denies.
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Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven

It is getting more interesting, NATO and Turkey challenge and speak by facts, but Russia makes accusations with no proof.
 
treehouse said:
Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven

It is getting more interesting, NATO and Turkey challenge and speak by facts, but Russia makes accusations with no proof.
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Well, it does sound far out to think that the government would be involved in dealing in oil with a major enemy. What would be less surprising would be an involvement of persons in the bureaucracy.


PS: It would be nice of Putin to abdicate, if he cannot prove his statement.
 
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This sort of thing was bound to happen.

ISIS is making money selling Oil to... someone. We have known for sometime now that Russian Oil interests pretty much demand that the price of Oil be at higher levels to sustain the break even points of the type of Oil typical to Russian mineral rights management. This places them in an adversarial position to many in the Middle East riding the wave of lower prices pretty much driven by Saudi Arabia and company. So it makes sense for Russia to be willing to target ISIS oil supplies irregardless of whom the buyer really is. Be it Turkey, someone else in the region, or some other international buyer.

Assuming for a moment that Turkey either buys that oil or has some financial benefit to it passing through their nation then I would get Turkey being upset about this perhaps going so far as to shoot down a Russian warplane. But it seems unlikely for Turkey to be willing to deal with ISIS given what this means to conditions right along their border, not to mention what the US wants in dealing with ISIS using Airbases inside of Turkey as launch points. We know America A-10s and F-16s are in Turkey right now, launching various attacks from that location.

A mess I would agree.

It seems to me the most important question we should be asking right now is in two parts.

One, who is buying oil from ISIS to the tune of $400 million + per year? Two, how and where is it getting to a point of being exported to those customers?

Assuming for a moment that ISIS is trucking oil to existing pipelines that happen to flow through Turkey, then we have a huge problem to contend with. One that if solved would end this conflict in short order as there is no other means for ISIS to make money other than through terrorism based operations. We could turn areas of Syria into acting like areas of Somalia overnight, forcing ISIS into having to effectively steal funds instead of stealing oil and selling that for funds. Consequently make them more predictable in their actions to obtain new funding.

**** it, that is just crazy talk. Lets go back to competition with Russia in bombing ISIS (and whoever else) for year on year with no real idea when or how this conflict will end. :roll:
 
Montecresto said:
Oh stop the patronizing bull****. Everybody's capable of lying in these conflicts with such high stakes.
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If the president of a country challenges another one over the truth, It also implies who is lying.
 
OrphanSlug said:
This sort of thing was bound to happen.

ISIS is making money selling Oil to... someone. We have known for sometime now that Russian Oil interests pretty much demand that the price of Oil be at higher levels to sustain the break even points of the type of Oil typical to Russian mineral rights management. This places them in an adversarial position to many in the Middle East riding the wave of lower prices pretty much driven by Saudi Arabia and company. So it makes sense for Russia to be willing to target ISIS oil supplies irregardless of whom the buyer really is. Be it Turkey, someone else in the region, or some other international buyer.

Assuming for a moment that Turkey either buys that oil or has some financial benefit to it passing through their nation then I would get Turkey being upset about this perhaps going so far as to shoot down a Russian warplane. But it seems unlikely for Turkey to be willing to deal with ISIS given what this means to conditions right along their border, not to mention what the US wants in dealing with ISIS using Airbases inside of Turkey as launch points. We know America A-10s and F-16s are in Turkey right now, launching various attacks from that location.

A mess I would agree.

It seems to me the most important question we should be asking right now is in two parts.

One, who is buying oil from ISIS to the tune of $400 million + per year? Two, how and where is it getting to a point of being exported to those customers?

Assuming for a moment that ISIS is trucking oil to existing pipelines that happen to flow through Turkey, then we have a huge problem to contend with. One that if solved would end this conflict in short order as there is no other means for ISIS to make money other than through terrorism based operations. We could turn areas of Syria into acting like areas of Somalia overnight, forcing ISIS into having to effectively steal funds instead of stealing oil and selling that for funds. Consequently make them more predictable in their actions to obtain new funding.

**** it, that is just crazy talk. Lets go back to competition with Russia in bombing ISIS (and whoever else) for year on year with no real idea when or how this conflict will end. :roll:
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Let's just rethink the importance of regime changing a fourth Middle East country, further destabilizing the region. Russia has been adamant since Obama sought a UNSCR to use force to conduct regime change in Syria, probably was instrumental in shutting down the arms smuggling out of Benghazi, and has opposed every other attempt and now has his navy, marines, army and air force in Syria to prevent it from falling. Is it really worth it.
 
treehouse said:
If the president of a country challenges another one over the truth, It also implies who is lying.
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Do you deny that Turkey has been destabilizing Assad with the intent to regime change him?
 
Montecresto said:
Do you deny that Turkey has been destabilizing Assad with the intent to regime change him?
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Are you jumping in another irrelevant topic, just because the current one leaves nothing but shame for who you cherish?.. If so, please find someone else to bait.
 
treehouse said:
Are you jumping in another irrelevant topic, just because the current one leaves nothing but shame for who you cherish?.. If so, please find someone else to bait.
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That IS what all this is about. Russia wouldn't even be at conflict with Turkey were Turkey not actively undermining his ally. Consequences dude.
 
Russia wouldnt be in conflict with Turkey if they didnt keep violating their airspace. Consequences.
 
Quag said:
Russia wouldnt be in conflict with Turkey if they didnt keep violating their airspace. Consequences.
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You do understand that Turkey has been inside Syria for years destabilizing the Assad government with the intent of regime change. Russia came down to deal with it. Anything Russia does to Turkey is fair play.
 
Montecresto said:
You do understand that Turkey has been inside Syria for years destabilizing the Assad government with the intent of regime change. Russia came down to deal with it. Anything Russia does to Turkey is fair play.
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You do relaize that Putin has been invading Turkish airspace and paid the price right? Anything Turkey does to Putin is fair play
 
Quag said:
Everyone?
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The challenge is between two presidents, but yes in the end, The shame will be shared by the whole country and nation, so I understand why Putin has still not accepted the challenge.
 
treehouse said:
The challenge is between two presidents, but yes in the end, The shame will be shared by the whole country and nation, so I understand why Putin has still not accepted the challenge.
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You think Putin cares about shame?
 
Quag said:
You do relaize that Putin has been invading Turkish airspace and paid the price right? Anything Turkey does to Putin is fair play
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Probably intentionally, you're ignoring the fact that Turkey was the first aggressor. Doesn't matter, Putin will take care of this.
 
Montecresto said:
Probably intentionally, you're ignoring the fact that Turkey was the first aggressor. Doesn't matter, Putin will take care of this.
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You are ignoring the fact that Putin caused all of this by invading Turkish airpace.
It will end badly for him, He has started to many fires in too many places. Eventually he will be stretched to thin and the loss of Russian lives/treasure will convinve the Russian people to rise up and rid themselves of his evil
 
Montecresto said:
Let's just rethink the importance of regime changing a fourth Middle East country, further destabilizing the region. Russia has been adamant since Obama sought a UNSCR to use force to conduct regime change in Syria, probably was instrumental in shutting down the arms smuggling out of Benghazi, and has opposed every other attempt and now has his navy, marines, army and air force in Syria to prevent it from falling. Is it really worth it.
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I still think the most important question we can be asking right now is how ISIS is getting money for oil they have seized. Syria and Russia have been aligned for a long time now, it makes sense for them to be involved in dealing with any opposition to al-Assad.

To your point, I would agree that the last thing we need in the Middle East right now is another dictator overturned and in its place have some government so weak as to allow ISIS (or someone like ISIS) even more latitude to organize and operate.
 
treehouse said:
If the president of a country challenges another one over the truth, It also implies who is lying.
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It's just grandstanding. Erdogan is not just a liar but a very dangerous liar. He's counting on the fact that he can scare Turks who know his complicity into silence. Why do you think he was demanding a life sentence for the editor of a news outlet that published proof he was arming terrorists in Syria?

What Erdogan doesn't realize is that Russia's intelligence is WAY beyond Turkey's little schemes.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I still think the most important question we can be asking right now is how ISIS is getting money for oil they have seized. Syria and Russia have been aligned for a long time now, it makes sense for them to be involved in dealing with any opposition to al-Assad.

To your point, I would agree that the last thing we need in the Middle East right now is another dictator overturned and in its place have some government so weak as to allow ISIS (or someone like ISIS) even more latitude to organize and operate.
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It's the reason that Syria and Russia have been aligned for so long. Russian strategic interest. If it wasn't before, it should by now be recognized that regime change in Syria is NOT an option for Russia. I hope it's worth it to all who support regime change in Syria. (Which I understand isn't you.)
 
Montecresto said:
It's the reason that Syria and Russia have been aligned for so long. Russian strategic interest. If it wasn't before, it should by now be recognized that regime change in Syria is NOT an option for Russia. I hope it's worth it to all who support regime change in Syria. (Which I understand isn't you.)
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That is why the alliance should produce a fait accompli. It should save further embarrassment to all. Or do you really propose giving Assad back his people to do his thing on.
 
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