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Ted Cruz agrees with claims that Planned Parenthood shooter is transgender

Cardinal said:
That would be all we'd need to link the shooter to a pro-choice motive.

And if you think PP is guilty of selling fetal tissue, by all means link to the charges brought by law enforcement against them, or conclusions by the congressional committee that any such sales took place. In fact, link to quotes by committee members grilling Planned Parenthood employees on the sale of fetal tissue.
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You're the one who brought it up.You link to it.
 
WCH said:
You're the one who brought it up.You link to it.
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You're the one who said they're guilty of selling fetal tissue. Link to it.
 
Cardinal said:
You're the one who said they're guilty of selling fetal tissue. Link to it.
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cpwill said:
"The guy is crazy. But even if it turns out that he's also crazy in a lefty kinda way, it wouldn't be right to blame The Left. The Shooter is the problem because he's the murderer."
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Being transgender is being "crazy in a lefty kinda way"?

I'll cede that that is probably what Cruz believes, but I think that's another nutty smear-infested thing for him to think.
 
cpwill said:
"The guy is crazy. But even if it turns out that he's also crazy in a lefty kinda way, it wouldn't be right to blame The Left. The Shooter is the problem because he's the murderer."
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If being a transgendered female were any motive to commit this crime, that would make sense. However, his saying "no more baby parts" has a coherent connection to the crime. Cruz was trolling.
 
WCH said:
No I was asked what law is used for selling human body parts. I posted it.
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DifferentDrummr said:
I wouldn't know, but what's so wrong with using parts for medical research that can save more lives?
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WCH said:
It's against the law for one thing.
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So as you clearly believe a law was broken, please link to the charges brought by law enforcement against PP or conclusions by the congressional committee that any such crime took place. In fact, link to quotes by committee members grilling Planned Parenthood employees on the sale of fetal tissue.
 
Cardinal said:
So as you clearly believe a law was broken, please link to the charges brought by law enforcement against PP or conclusions by the congressional committee that any such crime took place. In fact, link to quotes by committee members grilling Planned Parenthood employees on the sale of fetal tissue.
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Last I heard there's a permanent congressional committee to continue with this subject. That's what made the timing of this event suspicious to me.. This isn't over in Congress.
 
vesper said:
That's exactly right as after he made the statements he said it was important not to jump to conclusions.
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If so, that sounds to me a lot like starting a sentence with "No offense, but" and then saying a bunch of things calculated to offend.


Think a moment, though: why would he bring up the reports at all? Is he suggesting that being transgender might have lead to the shooting? Is he suggesting there's some moral problem with someone who is transgender? Why would he think rumors about the shooter being transgender were in any way relevant to the events?

I think a convincing reason is starting to appear: as the other poster suggests, Cruz thinks that being transgender is "crazy in a leftist way." The totality of his remarks could easily be paraphrased as: Oh, you hear he said "no more baby parts" to the cops? Well, I heard he was a "transgender leftist activist".

The idea being to shift any blame from Republican lies about PP as playing a role, to the shooter's supposedly being "crazy in a leftist way" as playing a role.

Bottom line: If he was genuinely concerned that people might jump to conclusions, then he would not have brought up rumors about the shooter being a transgendered lefist activist. Whenever someone goes beyond their own admonition to not draw conclusions, they didn't mean the admonition.
 
WCH said:
Last I heard there's a permanent congressional committee to continue with this subject.
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Okay, so no charges against Planned Parenthood, no link to conclusions by the congressional committee that any such crime took place, and no link to quotes by committee members grilling Planned Parenthood employees on the sale of fetal tissue. Can you even link to the above? Can you support any statement you make at all?
 
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Cardinal said:
Okay, so no charges against Planned Parenthood, no link to conclusions by the congressional committee that any such crime took place, and no link to quotes by committee members grilling Planned Parenthood employees on the sale of fetal tissue. Can you even link to the above? Can you support any statement you make at all?
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He saw it on TV. Saw the thousands of mooslims in NJ celebrating on 9/11 as well.
 
Cardinal said:
If being a transgendered female were any motive to commit this crime, that would make sense. However, his saying "no more baby parts" has a coherent connection to the crime. Cruz was trolling.
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No, he was saying that the guy is crazy. I speak Conservative.

Mr Person said:
Being transgender is being "crazy in a lefty kinda way"?
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That's certainly the impression.
 
cpwill said:
No, he was saying that the guy is crazy. I speak Conservative.



That's certainly the impression.
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Isn't there a transgendered conservative who openly posts here?
 
cpwill said:
No, he was saying that the guy is crazy. I speak Conservative.



That's certainly the impression.
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Isn't there a transgendered conservative who openly posts here?
 
DifferentDrummr said:
You know better than to say that something is "factually a lie," when a lie, by definition, requires an intent to deceive.

And if someone, as a politician speaking publicly, cites a rumor without disagreeing with it, isn't there an implication that he does agree? As you well know, conservatives pols and their campaign managers are extremely fond of that particular smear tactic.
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Factually, the only one here doing any smearing is you through the OP. And your words above are quite ironic in that by your OP you create a rumour - that Cruz "agrees" with the rumoured claim that Dear is transgender, etc. and you don't disagree with the rumour you created, so by implication you must agree, correct? Seems not only conservative pols and their campaign managers are proficient at smear tactics.
 
Cardinal said:
The phrase was according to a police officer.
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An unnamed source who was not authorized to speak on the matter. Have you ever heard of such a source being wrong or providing false information? I'm not implying the information is wrong - personally, I don't know one way or another and it sounds plausible to me - however, unnamed and unauthorized sources are not factual evidence and no more reliable than the other rumour that Cruz cited was being reported. That was his point, and it's a valid one.
 
vesper said:
That's exactly right as after he made the statements he said it was important not to jump to conclusions.

Heck CJ, even the report about the "no more baby parts" allegedly said by Dear was reported as coming from cops requesting anonymity because they have been ordered not to talk about the case. So how valid does it make a claim if it is coming from cops who are defying orders while speaking to a reporter? Did it even happen?
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Good evening Vesper

That's exactly the point. I'm not saying I don't believe that something like that was said by Dear - it seems quite plausible - but until we hear or see official word from those charged with investigating the incident we can't trust the accuracy of any anonymous source. Those who know for sure can't or won't say, in order to protect the investigation, so anyone else saying it and if they are a police source, they are disobeying a direct order and shouldn't be trusted as you rightly point out.

There are lots of things one can criticize Cruz for but this isn't one of them.
 
cpwill said:
No, he was saying that the guy is crazy. I speak Conservative.
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What Cruz is forgetting is that crazy is in extremism's job description.
 
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Cardinal said:
Okay, so no charges against Planned Parenthood, no link to conclusions by the congressional committee that any such crime took place, and no link to quotes by committee members grilling Planned Parenthood employees on the sale of fetal tissue. Can you even link to the above? Can you support any statement you make at all?
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You're directing this to someone who often falls back on Biblical references to stand in for arguments.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Factually, the only one here doing any smearing is you through the OP. And your words above are quite ironic in that by your OP you create a rumour - that Cruz "agrees" with the rumoured claim that Dear is transgender, etc. and you don't disagree with the rumour you created, so by implication you must agree, correct? Seems not only conservative pols and their campaign managers are proficient at smear tactics.
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Hey, I never claimed to be a saint. Of course, I'm not a public figure and I don't pretend to represent people in my nation's government, either...
 
NonoBadDog said:
You can name it anything you want. I want one. 1500 HP. I can't even imagine that.
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Neither can I, mostly because we have a little thing called "The 405," which is the great equalizer of Bugatis and Priuses alike.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
An unnamed source who was not authorized to speak on the matter. Have you ever heard of such a source being wrong or providing false information? I'm not implying the information is wrong - personally, I don't know one way or another and it sounds plausible to me - however, unnamed and unauthorized sources are not factual evidence and no more reliable than the other rumour that Cruz cited was being reported. That was his point, and it's a valid one.
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It all adds up. A video engaging in demagoguery, a national "scandal" with multiple publicized investigations in multiple states and even Congress, increased threats, four arsons, a mass shooting and a police officer (unnamed because the investigation is not complete) quoting "no more baby parts." Could this still blow up in my face? Sure. But do you really think it will?
 
Cardinal said:
Neither can I, mostly because we have a little thing called "The 405," which is the great equalizer of Bugatis and Priuses alike.
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It would be too fast for up here too. Mountain roads and curves. Wyoming is close and they have a lot of open flat roads.
 
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