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‘No more baby parts,’ suspect in attack at Colo. Planned Parenthood clinic told offic

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'No more baby parts,’ suspect in attack at Colo. Planned Parenthood clinic told official

Wait, so the rhetoric as a result of the anti-Planned Parenthood videos contributed to Dear's decision to murder three people and injure nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic? This is so completely unexpected. I was certain that even after four arsons at Planned Parenthood clinics in the wake of the videos that this shooting would be a wild coincidence.

COLORADO SPRINGS — The gunman suspected of storming a Planned Parenthood clinic and killing a police officer and two others used the phrase “no more baby parts’’ to explain his actions, according to a law enforcement official, a comment likely to further inflame the heated rhetoric surrounding abortion.


The attack on the clinic, allegedly by Robert Lewis Dear Jr., was “definitely politically motivated,’’ said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is still underway. NBC News, which first reported the comment, said that Dear also mentioned President Obama in a range of statements to investigators that left his precise motivation unclear.


Yet even as authorities released few details about Friday’s shootings, the politics of the highly charged abortion issue seemed to outstrip their efforts to be methodical. Antiabortion activists denied any knowledge of Dear and said he is not affiliated with their movement, but abortion rights advocates countered that comments by conservatives against Planned Parenthood had precipitated the violence.


Vicki Cowart, president of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, cited “eyewitness accounts” in asserting that Dear “was motivated by opposition to safe and legal abortion.”
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Cardinal said:
'No more baby parts,’ suspect in attack at Colo. Planned Parenthood clinic told official

Wait, so the rhetoric as a result of the anti-Planned Parenthood videos contributed to Dear's decision to murder three people and injure nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic? This is so completely unexpected. I was certain that even after four arsons at Planned Parenthood clinics in the wake of the videos that this shooting would be a wild coincidence.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-main_planned-parenthood-315pm:homepage/story
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Right, much better if we just ignore atrocities, as pointing them out might incite some crazy person to do violence. Much better to just pretend these horrible things aren't happening.

Will libs now tone down their rhetoric as well? No, of course not. With libs everything is a one way street. "Do as we say, not as we do, and like it". :roll:
 
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So? Nuts all over the country do violence based on life events all the time, every day. How about the Black Lives Matter movement inciting people for for all kinds of violence including the killing of innocent police officers? Should they be condemned, just as you wish to condemn the PP videos? You can't stop everything just because some extremist mentally deranged person might be incited to do something bad. What happened to the first amendment, or does that only apply to causes the left believes in?
 
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Sarcasm, in the face of a terrorist act, gets you no points. I note you didn't blame President Obama even though Dear seems to have mentioned him as a reason for his acts.

As more information emerges, it appears clear that this man's actions were not personal in nature but general and he sought out innocents on which to inflict his political message. That makes him a terrorist, in my view.

As for PP's sale of fetal tissue, there are many polls that show a large gap in public opinion opposed versus in favour of this practice. Not all of them have gone on murderous rampages. You seem to be implying that the disclosure of the PP videos should not have taken place because one person reacted criminally to them.

Much of what constitutes "news" these days is politically motivated and sensational in its portrayal. If we are to shout down free speech on the basis of some deranged individual using that speech for murderous purposes, that's not a world I'd want to live in.
 
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If we are going to get into a conversation about calling this event Christian Terrorism, but from a group that does not want to use the term Islamic Terrorism for events like Paris then there is no good outcome possible for this thread.

If you are calling for violence or participating in violence to advance an ideology that then is terrorism. If this guy went in to kill and is saying "no more baby parts" as the reason then we have little choice but to call it terrorism. All we need now is some evidence of his faith to insert the Christian part.
 
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countryboy said:
Right, much better if we just ignore atrocities, as pointing them out might incite some crazy person to do violence. Much better to just pretend these horrible things aren't happening.

Will libs now tone down their rhetoric as well? No, of course not. With libs everything is a one way street. "Do as we say, not as we do, and like it". :roll:
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What we're getting from the pro-life camp in response to these repeated terrorist attacks is the same I've come to expect from so many Muslims after attacks conducted by Muslim extremists: silence, diversions to their own cause, or blatant justification for the attacks. At least CanadaJohn has come right out and called it for what it is: terrorism, and kudos to him because he's literally the only pro-life person I know who's done so.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
If we are going to get into a conversation about calling this event Christian Terrorism, but from a group that does not want to use the term Islamic Terrorism for events like Paris then there is no good outcome possible for this thread.

If you are calling for violence or participating in violence to advance an ideology that then is terrorism. If this guy went in to kill and is saying "no more baby parts" as the reason then we have little choice but to call it terrorism. All we need now is some evidence of his faith to insert the Christian part.
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While Christian extremism has historically been the driving force behind the pro-life position, it's more accurate (and less unnecessarily divisive) to simply call it "pro-life terrorism."
 
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Cardinal said:
What we're getting from the pro-life camp in response to these repeated terrorist attacks is the same I've come to expect from so many Muslims after attacks conducted by Muslim extremists: silence, diversions to their own cause, or blatant justification for the attacks. At least CanadaJohn has come right out and called it for what it is: terrorism, and kudos to him because he's literally the only pro-life person I know who's done so.
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Shooting up cops and abortion clinics is bad. Mmmkay?

Pointing out the abortion industry for the evil it truly represents is not.

In any eventuality, no one told these men to do what they did, least of all Republican law makers or the Planned Parenthood videos. The shooters did that all on their own.

Happy? :shrug:
 
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Cardinal said:
What we're getting from the pro-life camp in response to these repeated terrorist attacks is the same I've come to expect from so many Muslims after attacks conducted by Muslim extremists: silence, diversions to their own cause, or blatant justification for the attacks. At least CanadaJohn has come right out and called it for what it is: terrorism, and kudos to him because he's literally the only pro-life person I know who's done so.
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You obviously have selective observational skills. Libs only see what they want to.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Shooting up cops and abortion clinics is bad. Mmmkay?

Pointing out the abortion industry for the evil it truly represents is not. No one told these men to do what they did, least of all those videos. They did that all on their own.

Happy? :shrug:
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The videos provided the rhetoric. Are we really going to play this game?
 
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Cardinal said:
The videos provided the rhetoric. Are we really going to play this game?
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That rhetoric is not false. It also doesn't say a damn thing about bombing or shooting up abortion clinics. The attackers did that completely on their own.

What's your point?
 
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Cardinal said:
While Christian extremism has historically been the driving force behind the pro-life position, it's more accurate (and less unnecessarily divisive) to simply call it "pro-life terrorism."
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Oh no no no. It can't be called terrorism. It is work place violence or man made disaster, but it can't be terrorism. Terrorism ended when Obama was sworn in.



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Cardinal said:
'No more baby parts,’ suspect in attack at Colo. Planned Parenthood clinic told official

Wait, so the rhetoric as a result of the anti-Planned Parenthood videos contributed to Dear's decision to murder three people and injure nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic? This is so completely unexpected. I was certain that even after four arsons at Planned Parenthood clinics in the wake of the videos that this shooting would be a wild coincidence.
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People have released unpleasant, but factual information about the actions of say, the Catholic church despite the possibility that violence may occur. Do you have problems with these releases, or just releases impacting certain groups. That aside, we do have laws prohibiting the incitement of violence. I would not be surprised if the legislation passed following 9-11 made these laws easier to enforce. There are also laws against slander.

With that in mind, I would encourage anybody who knows of a pro life group, or any other group inciting violence to contact the police. Releasing unpleasant, but factual information, however, about a group one favors is not "inciting violence"
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The videos provided the rhetoric. Are we really going to play this game?
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Surely you are not thinking along the lines of:

Hate Speech or Incitement to Violence [/B](verbs). Releasing unpleasant but factual information regarding a group that I favor constitutes either (a) Hate Speech or (b) Incitement to violence.

The pro lifers are no more responsible for this man's actions than gay groups are for this individual's attempted actions: DC shooter wanted to kill as many as possible, prosecutors say - CNN.com
 
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countryboy said:
You obviously have selective observational skills. Libs only see what they want to.
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Not at all. I'm not saying that no pro-life people have displayed the kind of honesty to call this terrorism, but in the discussions I've followed CJ is thus far the only one to do so. Again, mostly what you get is silence or an oblique (or outright) defense of the terrorist's cause (which you're already witnessing repeatedly throughout this thread). Again, like the reaction that you see so often from Muslims sympathetic to Muslim terrorists' causes.
 
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Let's just make this very clear, killing babies is bad. Killing people is bad. Killing for your political beliefs is bad. Ok? Nobody is cheering for this guy. Nobody is happy he did what he did. Nobody will claim him as part of their belief system. In fact, from what I've seen of his bio, he's probably a better example of poor mental health than political man made disaster.
 
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Cardinal said:
'No more baby parts,’ suspect in attack at Colo. Planned Parenthood clinic told official

Wait, so the rhetoric as a result of the anti-Planned Parenthood videos contributed to Dear's decision to murder three people and injure nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic? This is so completely unexpected. I was certain that even after four arsons at Planned Parenthood clinics in the wake of the videos that this shooting would be a wild coincidence.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-main_planned-parenthood-315pm:homepage/story
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It is not really astounding that people that think that abortion is mass murder would use weapons to prevent it.
 
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Cardinal said:
While Christian extremism has historically been the driving force behind the pro-life position, it's more accurate (and less unnecessarily divisive) to simply call it "pro-life terrorism."
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That you believe being pro-life, is an "extremist" position, is illustrative of just how far down the rabbit hole the left has fallen. Wow. :shock:
 
This is textbook terrorism.
 
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reinoe said:
This is textbook terrorism.
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No no no....it is "Work Place Violence" or "Man Made Disaster", but terrorism is dead. Obama declared it so.


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countryboy said:
That you believe being pro-life, is an "extremist" position, is illustrative of just how far down the rabbit hole the left has fallen. Wow. :shock:
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Do you think that killing people and setting buildings on fire for one's pro-life position is extremism? Because that's actually what the topic is.
 
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That people are trying to ascribe political motivation to a guy who, by recent reports, is too mentally screwed up to even string a sentence together is telling of where priorities really are in this matter.
 
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Cardinal said:
What we're getting from the pro-life camp in response to these repeated terrorist attacks is the same I've come to expect from so many Muslims after attacks conducted by Muslim extremists: silence, diversions to their own cause, or blatant justification for the attacks. At least CanadaJohn has come right out and called it for what it is: terrorism, and kudos to him because he's literally the only pro-life person I know who's done so.
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There are very few people here, or anywhere else, who judge events without first filtering it through their chosen ideological label. There must be several dozen posters here who routinely spring into automatic defense mode when Muslims are involved just as there are those who spring into defense mode here. Just look at the reaction to the fort Hood shooting for a parallel.

It's more about protecting their turf than any real ideology involved, though. Instead of forming a notion as to what terrorism is and applying it to the specific situation, they simply minimize or maximize as it suits their agenda. if i't their tribe doing it, they minimize. If it's the other guys doing it, they maximize.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
That rhetoric is not false. It also doesn't say a damn thing about bombing or shooting up abortion clinics. The attackers did that completely on their own.

What's your point?
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Of course the rhetoric was "holy crap" false, but even disregarding that, dismissing or mitigating his crime or remaining silent gives tacit or direct support to future terrorists. Just as people call for Muslims to loudly and unanimously condemn extremist Muslim behavior, so too must pro-life must stop the mushy-mouthed approval of pro-life terrorism so characteristic of this thread.
 
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countryboy said:
Right, much better if we just ignore atrocities, as pointing them out might incite some crazy person to do violence. Much better to just pretend these horrible things aren't happening.

Will libs now tone down their rhetoric as well? No, of course not. With libs everything is a one way street. "Do as we say, not as we do, and like it". :roll:
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Uh no. we need to crack down on religiously motivated terrorism like we are in the Middle East. As for abortion, you are free to petition the government for a redress of your grievances.

This is a very black and white case of terrorism ala ISIS.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
If we are going to get into a conversation about calling this event Christian Terrorism, but from a group that does not want to use the term Islamic Terrorism for events like Paris then there is no good outcome possible for this thread.

If you are calling for violence or participating in violence to advance an ideology that then is terrorism. If this guy went in to kill and is saying "no more baby parts" as the reason then we have little choice but to call it terrorism. All we need now is some evidence of his faith to insert the Christian part.
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I don't see it a problem with people saying Islamic terrorism. The problem is this or that religion is evil and no good. The shoe is once again on the other foot, so I guess we should be calling it Christian terrorism... Through human history Christians have wrought jihad on the populace through direct terrorism i order to gain control of said populace. This incident, like those before it, are no different, but just on a smaller scale. So, should we expect armed liberal to demonstrate and shout down parishioners at Churches? Consistency would demand that the right-wing support such a thing.

That guy being a bit crazy and ISIS being a lot crazy are two peas in pod wouldn't you say? I mean, logic would demand it.
 
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