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U. Minnesota student government votes against annual 9/11 ceremony; some didn’t want

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truthatallcost said:
A resolution to honor the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks each year at the University of Minnesota was rejected by the student government there, with some students expressing concern that such a measure could foster “Islamaphobia.”

The resolution noted that the attack still has a lasting effect on many on campus, and “the events of that date are of immeasurable importance to the world we live in today,” and that the university has no formal memorial for that date on campus. It called for a moment of recognition on the morning of Sept. 11, 2016, and every year to come.

It failed.

Twenty-three of the students representing undergraduates voted for it, three abstained, and 36 voted against it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...emony-some-didnt-want-to-spread-islamaphobia/

Imagine telling people that we can't honor victims of the Holocaust because it might offend Germans!
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Nice appeal to emotions, bringing the Holocaust into it.

It seems the student body might be aware of the fraudulent nature of the story of 911? Considering that the events were staged to make muslims look bad, the students might have a good point here.
 
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Henry David said:
Nice appeal to emotions, bringing the Holocaust into it.

It seems the student body might be aware of the fraudulent nature of the story of 911? Considering that the events were staged to make muslims look bad, the students might have a good point here.
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Uhh, no. That's not the reason. Thanks, though.
 
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Deuce said:
You people will never learn. My other current favorite is the idiots on facebook who think Syrian refugees are being let into the United States, QUOTE, "with no vetting whatsoever." So. ****ing. Gullible. And this is every. Single. Day, another new misleading headline from right-wing media that takes all of forty seconds for me to figure out.

Here's a hint: If the headline sounds really, really stupid it's probably a lie. Also, if the headline asks a yes or no question the answer is always no. ("Could walnuts hold the secret to a cancer cure?" No. No they ****ing couldn't)
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If you have your head in the noise machine long enough you cant tell the difference. Really. I know people i trust completely that tell me these silly things, i know if they knew they were lies they wouldnt. Sadly though they believe so deeply even evidence to the contrary doesnt sway them.
 
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Deuce said:
Uhh, no. That's not the reason. Thanks, though.
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You're very welcome. I didn't realize you were a student there. ;)
 
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Henry David said:
You're very welcome. I didn't realize you were a student there. ;)
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Did you read the article?
 
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mak2 said:
If you have your head in the noise machine long enough you cant tell the difference. Really. I know people i trust completely that tell me these silly things, i know if they knew they were lies they wouldnt. Sadly though they believe so deeply even evidence to the contrary doesnt sway them.
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"Look at this evidence for (INSERT BELIEF!")
*evidence proven wrong*
"Well just because THIS evidence is wrong doesn't mean the belief is wrong!"

Every goddamned day. How many times does, say, right-wing perception of Benghazi have to be shown incorrect before they start to wonder if they have the whole thing wrong?

Infinity because you can't reason someone out of a belief they didn't reason themselves into.
 
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Deuce said:
It's ridiculous to confront islamophobia? That's interesting. Tell me more.
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There is no such thing as islamophobia. It's a made up word to make some liberals feel they are protecting an ethnic minority. The anti-arab hatred people like Trump and many conservatives are stirring up is a serious problem, but all liberals should criticize Islam. It is a barbaric, backwards ideology. We like to make fun of evangelical christianity for its ridiculous and harmful belief system, but get offended when people make fun of another religious cult? That's ridiculous.
 
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Deuce said:
Ultimately, although MSA students
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Every campus in the US has an MSA - though I'm told by some Lefties here that Muslims are so different from each other and never form any group or bloc based on religion alone - because, you know, that just never happens. :roll:

Sorry to burst bubbles, but Muslims do indeed form a worldwide bloc, rather than just disparate unrelated groups. Student organizations like MSA are consistent with that pan-religious character.
 
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sanman said:
Every campus in the US has an MSA - though I'm told by some Lefties here that Muslims are so different from each other and never form any group or bloc based on religion alone - because, you know, that just never happens. :roll:

Sorry to burst bubbles, but Muslims do indeed form a worldwide bloc, rather than just disparate unrelated groups. Student organizations like MSA are consistent with that pan-religious character.
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Uhh, the M stands for Minnesota, chief. Keep those eyes on rollin back so you can look at and analyze your own preconceptions.
 
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Shadowless said:
There is no such thing as islamophobia. It's a made up word to make some liberals feel they are protecting an ethnic minority. The anti-arab hatred people like Trump and many conservatives are stirring up is a serious problem, but all liberals should criticize Islam. It is a barbaric, backwards ideology. We like to make fun of evangelical christianity for its ridiculous and harmful belief system, but get offended when people make fun of another religious cult? That's ridiculous.
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There's a reason for that - it's because Lefties purely think in terms of political expediency.
eg. "the muslim enemy of my christian fundamentalist enemy is my friend"
The Left have no qualms about adopting a particular group as their pet ethnic favorites, and will then go out of their way to rationalize and justify every single aspect of that group's behavior, no matter how regressive, simply to go all-out in support of that group. When the Left want to go all-out, they go all-out, and their conscience is easily suppressed in Orwellian revisionist style because of their need for expediency.
 
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sanman said:
There's a reason for that - it's because Lefties purely think in terms of political expediency.
eg. "the muslim enemy of my christian fundamentalist enemy is my friend"
The Left have no qualms about adopting a particular group as their pet ethnic favorites, and will then go out of their way to rationalize and justify every single aspect of that group's behavior, no matter how regressive, simply to go all-out in support of that group.
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Listen. Just read the article, all of it, before you embarrass yourself further.
 
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sanman said:
There's a reason for that - it's because Lefties purely think in terms of political expediency.
eg. "the muslim enemy of my christian fundamentalist enemy is my friend"
The Left have no qualms about adopting a particular group as their pet ethnic favorites, and will then go out of their way to rationalize and justify every single aspect of that group's behavior, no matter how regressive, simply to go all-out in support of that group. When the Left want to go all-out, they go all-out, and their conscience is easily suppressed in Orwellian revisionist style because of their need for expediency.
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As a leftist myself, I don't think it's about political expediency. I think it has more to do with the perceived notion that Islam is a race. It is not, it is an ideology. Anyone can change their religion, it is something we choose to believe in. They want someone to fight for I suppose.
 
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Henry David said:
Nice appeal to emotions, bringing the Holocaust into it.

It seems the student body might be aware of the fraudulent nature of the story of 911? Considering that the events were staged to make muslims look bad, the students might have a good point here.
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"Considering that the attacks were staged to make muslims look bad".. And the Paris attacks? And 7/7 in London? And the Madrid bombing? And Boston Marathon Bombing? These were all staged by da illoomanaughty right?
 
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Deuce said:
Listen. Just read the article, all of it, before you embarrass yourself further.
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The left are the only ones looking to embarrass themselves, because they're quite shameless.
 
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sanman said:
When the Left want to go all-out, they go all-out, and their conscience is easily suppressed in Orwellian revisionist style because of their need for expediency.
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While you're having paranoid delusions about The Left's Orwellian tactics that suppress their conscience, maybe you should consider what causes you to suppress your skepticism and believe every headline you read, particularly since you appear to just invent an exaggerated story to support that headline.
 
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sanman said:
The left are the only ones looking to embarrass themselves, because they're quite shameless.
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Are you aware that only one person on that panel thought "Islamophobia" was a factor worth considering? Have you yet realized this was a Minnesota Student Association, not Muslim?
 
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Shadowless said:
As a leftist myself, I don't think it's about political expediency. I think it has more to do with the perceived notion that Islam is a race. It is not, it is an ideology. Anyone can change their religion, it is something we choose to believe in. They want someone to fight for I suppose.
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Islam straddles the line between ethnicity and ideology, and so it's able to sneak its way through under liberal cover.

What's very clear is that violent strand of Islam is able to speak over the silent majority - because, boy, are they silent. From the article:

“The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe,” said Algadi, “Islamophobia and racism fueled through that are alive and well.”
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Uhh, self-pity much? Gee, I'm sure glad he's showing so much patience in slumming it with the unworthy intolerant infidels he's surrounded by.

Pro-Tip: real refugees - real recipients of intolerance - vote with their feet.
 
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sanman said:
Islam straddles the line between ethnicity and ideology, and so it's able to sneak its way through under liberal cover.

What's very clear is that violent strand of Islam is able to speak over the silent majority - because, boy, are they silent. From the article:



Uhh, self-pity much? Gee, I'm sure glad he's showing so much patience in slumming it with the unworthy intolerant infidels he's surrounded by.

Pro-Tip: real refugees - real recipients of intolerance - vote with their feet.
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it does straddle, but progressives should know better. That's like saying all whites are christian.
 
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JANFU said:
Do you believe 911 and the Shoah are comparable?
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Certainly not in numbers but I believe the comparison implied between judging the German people the same as Nazis and judging all Muslims the same as Islamic terrorists is fair.
 
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Lursa said:
Certainly not in numbers but I believe the comparison implied between judging the German people the same as Nazis and judging all Muslims the same as Islamic terrorists is fair.
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As do i.
That is not an issue. Many people do not realize how may Germans fought agaisnt Hitler,saving Jews, to working for the Allies
 
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truthatallcost said:
A resolution to honor the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks each year at the University of Minnesota was rejected by the student government there, with some students expressing concern that such a measure could foster “Islamaphobia.”

The resolution noted that the attack still has a lasting effect on many on campus, and “the events of that date are of immeasurable importance to the world we live in today,” and that the university has no formal memorial for that date on campus. It called for a moment of recognition on the morning of Sept. 11, 2016, and every year to come.

It failed.

Twenty-three of the students representing undergraduates voted for it, three abstained, and 36 voted against it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...emony-some-didnt-want-to-spread-islamaphobia/

Imagine telling people that we can't honor victims of the Holocaust because it might offend Germans!
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You have touched upon one of the several affirmation-consequents of the Holocaust, indeed.

I think anytime you remember a massacre, like Pearl Harbor, the Holocaust, 9/11/2002, etc. there is a huge potential for racial stereotyping and xenophobia.

It cuts both ways too -- remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki too?

Islam is just going to need to cope with their single male extremists for some time in the future. That's just how it is.

One of our neighbor boys was told by his mother not to tell anyone they are Muslim from Pakistan. Of course, the Pakistan part is obvious. The Muslim part is therefore a given.
 
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Deuce said:
Are you aware that only one person on that panel thought "Islamophobia" was a factor worth considering? Have you yet realized this was a Minnesota Student Association, not Muslim?
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I've been to a lot of campuses, and they all have an MSA - a Muslim Students Association. Not every campus is in Minnesota, but every campus has an MSA.
 
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sanman said:
I've been to a lot of campuses, and they all have an MSA - a Muslim Students Association. Not every campus is in Minnesota, but every campus has an MSA.
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Ok, that's great, but such a body is not related to this article. So, feel free to start a thread on Muslim Student Associations and their nefarious activities. Campuses have budgetary committees also, do you want to talk about those as well?
 
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