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Belgian police arrest 16 in anti-terror raids

Infinite Chaos said:
Now it's also time to work on these so-called "no-go" zones. Anytime law enforcement stops or appears afraid to patrol areas invites serious problems as we are seeing now.



The profile is quite strange too, the Belgian jihadis appear to have had a better chance of integrating but did not.
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It begs the question, you leave the ****hole you came from, get put on the entitlement train, live a much better life, but you radicalize and want to destroy this new society you find yourself in.


The question, is, why?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It begs the question, you leave the ****hole you came from, get put on the entitlement train, live a much better life, but you radicalize and want to destroy this new society you find yourself in.


The question, is, why?
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Adversity makes men, and prosperity makes monsters - Victor Hugo
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It begs the question, you leave the ****hole you came from, get put on the entitlement train, live a much better life, but you radicalize and want to destroy this new society you find yourself in.


The question, is, why?
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I know in the early days that some were being lured because the western countries had stopped short of trying to remove Assad in Syria; I saw many interviews of deluded young men thinking they were going to "save muslims" where we would not. It's all become very twisted though with young recruits going and slitting the throats of other muslims and of innocent non-muslim captives.
Behind Belgian, French and UK recruits though were groups like sharia4belgium and sharia4uk which were led by much more hardened idiots and hate preachers. Often paid for on taxpayer money to live their work free lives.

Having said that though - it still takes a particular way of thinking to ignore the images of slaughter of innocents (non muslims), the vulnerable (those not in the shia vs sunni fight) and the unfavourable (homosexuals and transgender) and go out there anyway.

We have got hardened radicals that need to be dealt with, through helping them leave and lose their citizenship or encouraging them into deradicalisation programmes.

My preferred option is - don't wish to integrate or join civilised society? Leave on free transport but without your reentry rights.
 
Shadowless said:
Foreign labor imported by capitalists who wanted to go around the labor/wage laws at the time. Horrific mistake.
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Not at all. At the time of import the labor markets were wiped clean with workers as the restraining factor of growth. Later the social changes and programs meant that the immigrants were less in demand and the areas that they lived in became ghettos, where the police often did not enforce the law.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Exactly.

There were people there who could respond and check if needed. There's even less checking now and even less people who could be called upon to check for suspects as they cross the borders..
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And you do know that the police can ask for ID on the street when ever they want right? What exactly is the difference?
 
The Paris bombers were all nationals... any bets that the 16 arrested will also be EU nationals?

It's getting tiring to see the same wrong argument made over and over about open borders. The root if this issue is internal EU security, but it's being used as a staging ground for foreign policy interventions. Even the U.S. is trying to make new laws outlawing encryption even though there's no evidence that ISIS has heavily relied on or changed its encryption protocols.

So tired of the seeing the same tropes played out, and the same power grabs happening over and over.

I'm not saying there aren't real security issues but people are so myopic in how they analyze the problem.
 
Northern Light said:
The Paris bombers were all nationals...
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Wrong.

Northern Light said:
any bets that the 16 arrested will also be EU nationals?
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Even if EU nationals, second or third generation muslim immigrants. The foolish proponents of immigration somehow pretend that the fact that many of these people are EU nationals is somehow an argument pro immigration as somehow immigrants were not to blame. WRONG. It's the complete opposite: if even second or third generation muslim immigrants can cause this, why should we even CONSIDER letting in a new first generation which has the most backward ideas?
 
PeteEU said:
And you do know that the police can ask for ID on the street when ever they want right? What exactly is the difference?
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If a criminal is heading to a border then you can monitor crossings. If you want to use random on the street checkings as an analogy then.....
 
Infinite Chaos said:
If a criminal is heading to a border then you can monitor crossings. If you want to use random on the street checkings as an analogy then.....
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Why would a criminal head to a border crossing if he can just walk over the border a couple of km further down in a field?
 
PeteEU said:
Why would a criminal head to a border crossing if he can just walk over the border a couple of km further down in a field?
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Well the guy in this instance used a BMW apparently and crossed at a border crossing. Just shows why he didn't have to bother worrying about his passport and ID being checked.
Anyway, not everyone new to a new area knows where the border crossings in local fields are.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Well the guy in this instance used a BMW apparently and crossed at a border crossing. Just shows why he didn't have to bother worrying about his passport and ID being checked.
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Of course not, but he is worried about random stops is he not?

Anyway, not everyone new to a new area knows where the border crossings in local fields are.
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Google maps.. Bing maps... hell even Apple maps, although the last one might be a tad risky..
 
Update: minister of foreign affairs Didier Reynders told in a (yet to be broadcasted) interview on ABC that Belgium is apparently on the lookout for around ten terrorists with heavy weaponry (AK-47s) and potentially bomb belts. These details already leaked out.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Now it's also time to work on these so-called "no-go" zones. Anytime law enforcement stops or appears afraid to patrol areas invites serious problems as we are seeing now.



The profile is quite strange too, the Belgian jihadis appear to have had a better chance of integrating but did not.
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Looks like Belgium decided to finally address their ISIS problem after doing nothing until the Paris attack.

Too little, too late.
 
SMTA said:
Looks like Belgium decided to finally address their ISIS problem after doing nothing until the Paris attack.
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That's Belgian politics in a nutshell. Our former prime minister Jean Luc Deheane had literally as mantra: we only solve the problems when they present themselves.

As a folksy prime minister, he also refused to answer hypothetical questions and argued “you should only solve problems when they arise” – one of his most famous quotes.
Former Belgian PM Dehaene (73) has died | EurActiv
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Natan said:
That's Belgian politics in a nutshell. Our former prime minister Jean Luc Deheane had literally as mantra: we only solve the problems when they present themselves.
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I had forgotten that you reside there - watch yourself.
 
SMTA said:
I had forgotten that you reside there - watch yourself.
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I believe the threat is highly exaggerated and Abdeslam is probably just laying low waiting to strike somewhere unexpected (maybe not even Belgium but Germany). It is impossible to secure all places at the recent level, closing businesses and schools can only be done for a few days at most. Apparently they do have a few suspects but unless if they found weapons with them, most will eventually walk free.

To give you an example of the lawyer scum defending them, in recent news:

Lazez A. from Jette was arrested and detained on November 19th. He is accused of helping Salah Abdeslam in the hours and days after the attacks. In his car, firearms were found. There was also a blood stain on a passenger seat.

One of the two weapons is an alarm pistol and the other is also not the type you expect to be found on terrorists (my note: firearms are mostly illegal in Belgium), said lawyer Christine Callewaert. 'The blood stain is also minimal and found on the passenger seat, while our client is accused to hiding Salah Abdeslam in the trunk of his Citroën Berlingo .'

For both the weapons as well as the blood stain, the man gave an explanation which is checked by forensics, according to lawyer Sokol Vljahen. 'The blood is not Salah's but someone else's. Our client gave the identity of the other person and that is being checked. Our client only knows Salah Abdeslam and his brother Brahim by face because he used to live in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek, the other persons mentioned, he doesn't know at all.'

According to the defense, the man was arrested after an anonymous tip. 'He is totally not radicalized', according to lawyer Vljahen. 'His brother has left for Syria and he tried to keep contact on Facebook, but that is all. He is an antique dealer who works an honest job.'.
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Another nice family.
 
Lazez A. from Jette was arrested and detained on November 19th. He is accused of helping Salah Abdeslam in the hours and days after the attacks. In his car, firearms were found. There was also a blood stain on a passenger seat.

One of the two weapons is an alarm pistol and the other is also not the type you expect to be found on terrorists (my note: firearms are mostly illegal in Belgium), said lawyer Christine Callewaert. 'The blood stain is also minimal and found on the passenger seat, while our client is accused to hiding Salah Abdeslam in the trunk of his Citroën Berlingo .'

For both the weapons as well as the blood stain, the man gave an explanation which is checked by forensics, according to lawyer Sokol Vljahen. 'The blood is not Salah's but someone else's. Our client gave the identity of the other person and that is being checked. Our client only knows Salah Abdeslam and his brother Brahim by face because he used to live in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek, the other persons mentioned, he doesn't know at all.'

According to the defense, the man was arrested after an anonymous tip. 'He is totally not radicalized', according to lawyer Vljahen. 'His brother has left for Syria and he tried to keep contact on Facebook, but that is all. He is an antique dealer who works an honest job.'.
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Shocking. Now I see the anger you presented about lawyers in politics in another thread.
 
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