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Tourniquet Use Urged in Public-Safety Push

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WASHINGTON—The White House is pushing to make tourniquets as commonplace as heart defibrillators in U.S. schools, stadiums, airports, malls and other public places, to reduce fatalities from mass shootings and terror bombings.
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Two thoughts:
  1. This is a good idea.
  2. We've reached the point where this is a good idea.

ht: Instapundit
 
Tourniquets ? Like the kind used to save someone's life after their legs have been blow off ?

Does the Obama administration know something we don't ?
 
This is just weird. A tourniquet can be made out of anything you can tie into a knot. Anyone who knows enough to apply a tourniquet to a bleeding limb should know how to make one.
 
We should provide schools with flame throwers. Nothing cauterizes a wound quite like napalm.
 
Funny, my last first aid course they really wanted to push people away from using Tourniquets.

They didn't even bring one.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Funny, my last first aid course they really wanted to push people away from using Tourniquets.

They didn't even bring one.
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Yeah, this just really confuses me. They run the real risk of doing more harm than good.

I can only assume that someone in the administration has a friend working for some company producing tourniquets.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Funny, my last first aid course they really wanted to push people away from using Tourniquets.

They didn't even bring one.
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Yes, because you have to be trained in how to use them.

If for instance someone applies a tournaquet for too long causing tissue to die, and then blood flow is returned to that part of the body the victim can not only lose their extremity but die from the toxins that are released from the dead tissue.
 
jmotivator said:
Yeah, this just really confuses me. They run the real risk of doing more harm than good.

I can only assume that someone in the administration has a friend working for some company producing tourniquets.
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Don't know about the second part lol...

But yeah the instructor said they stopped making it a part of the basic course because they found basically, too many people were using them incorrectly and killing people.
 
Fenton said:
Yes, because you have to be trained in how to use them.

If for instance someone applies a tournaquet for too long causing tissue to die, and then blood flow is returned to that part of the body the victim can not only lose their extremity but die from the toxins that are released from the dead tissue.
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They can cause crush damage if applied to tight. All we need is some wannabe who watches ER procedurals slapping a tourniquet on someone because they fell and their knee is bleeding.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Funny, my last first aid course they really wanted to push people away from using Tourniquets.

They didn't even bring one.
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That's been my experience too.

From what I've seen of gunshot wounds some basic first aid training would be a hell of a lot more practical. Teach people how to deal with a sucking chest wound and shock. That will likely be far more beneficial.
 
jmotivator said:
They can cause crush damage if applied to tight. All we need is some wannabe who watches ER procedurals slapping a tourniquet on someone because they fell and their knee is bleeding.
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Or a nosebleed.........sorry! :mrgreen:
 
Lutherf said:
That's been my experience too.

From what I've seen of gunshot wounds some basic first aid training would be a hell of a lot more practical. Teach people how to deal with a sucking chest wound and shock. That will likely be far more beneficial.
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The cellophane from cigarette packs is great for these.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Funny, my last first aid course they really wanted to push people away from using Tourniquets.

They didn't even bring one.
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We stopped using tourniquets in the military decades ago. They do more damage than good, and if direct pressure cannot stem the flow and prevent a bleed out from occurring, they are already dead anyway but just don't know it.
 
Folks, all this is, is more fear mongering against guns, from a pretty unique psychological standpoint. I gotta give 'em credit for creative thinking on this one. But, it's still just gun hating bull****, because medically it makes no sense.
 
LowDown said:
Wall Street Journal



Two thoughts:
  1. This is a good idea.
  2. We've reached the point where this is a good idea.

ht: Instapundit
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Makes me wonder what they know that we don't. Maybe this is a signal, "We know we are screw up so we need to get ready for failure." Or "Better buckle your seat belt, this is gonna hurt."

It is a good idea but I haven't seen a lot of wounds at the airport where someone is hemorrhaging from an artery lately.

I would think they would be including this in the "kit":
Amazon.com: Quikclot Sport Brand Advanced Clotting Sponge ,Stop Bleeding Fast, 50 Gram Package: Health & Personal Care
 
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FACT SHEET: Bystander: “Stop the Bleed” Broad Private Sector Support for Effort to Save Lives and Build Resilience

Similar to the use of CPR or automatic defibrillators, improving public awareness about how to stop severe bleeding and expanding personal and public access to Bleeding Control Kits can be the difference between life and death for an injured person.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...leed-broad-private-sector-support-effort-save
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Nowhere in this October 6th Office of the Press Secretary release is the word tourniquet used.



At this homeland Security website it does show how to apply a tourniquet if compression isn't working.
Stop the Bleed | Homeland Security


The Red Cross also recommends a tourniquet if compression isn't working.

Bleeding updates:

While direct pressure is still the first line of defense, the guidelines acknowledge the important role tourniquets and hemostatic agents play in stopping life-threatening bleeding when standard measures fail or are not possible. Tools now available and recommended to first aid providers include tourniquets for severe bleeding on a leg or arm.

Red Cross and Heart Association Announce Updated Guidelines
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Much ado about nothing.
 
SMTA said:
Or a nosebleed.........sorry! :mrgreen:
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