HPD: Man prostitutes 4-year-old on 'daddy's little girl' Craigslist ad

I think we have lost sight of what the death penalty is about.
We live within a system of laws, where we give up some of our absolute freedoms of
the laws of nature to participate in a free society.
Some people consistently refuse to follows the rules established by society.
Sometimes the violation is so egregious, Society decides that person can never be
allowed to participate in society again.
The DP is nothing more than the absolute, irrevocable, removal of all civil rights!

danarhea said:

I have always been outspoken against the death penalty, but if we are going to have one, this animal needs to be included. He drugged a 4 year old girl and pimped her. He needs to die. Whoever he pimped her to also needs to die.

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child molestation by adults, and cases like this make me want to add those charges to capital crimes as death penalty cases

but no worries....if this guy EVER sees general population, he will be dead shortly thereafter

not sure where it started, but there is a code in the penal system....and they hate child molesters even more than some of us do

JANFU said:

I would prefer to see them rot in jail, till they die.

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A fair proportion of citizens would agree with you JANFU.

However in jail the convicts are still alive, still eating food, still watching tv, still have lovers albeit same sex if that's their thing.

The prison becomes their new world and they learn to cope with it.

I would prefer that they would experience the great unknown of death and body dissolution.

Each of our own consolations is personal however.

But the death penalty is what it would take to console me.

Due to the differences between people on the death penalty issue, this is why I believe the sentencing judge needs to accommodate the wishes of the majority of the family members of the victim.

In some cases, such as the murder of a police officer, the government becomes the de facto family members as well, since law enforcement is such an all encompassing close knit activity.

MaggieD said:

One can hope.

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Prisoners have a code too.

They figure that anyone who comes into their house joins their society. It tends to follow frat house rules with secret handshakes and all that too.

Some crimes are so heinous that the inmates decide that a death warrant should have been issued by the courts.

This includes any crime for which the victim was innocent. Children are the most obvious case of innocence.

If a particular crime against children makes you or me sick, then it will have the same visceral impact on the inmates as well.

Our Catholic Church group gave communion to prisoners and so I got to meet some and speak with them during the social hour after the mass. That's how I know.

Ikari said:

Justice has nothing to do with "closure".

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You should examine your own beliefs and notions and figure out where they came/come from.

Then lay it all out in subject/verb/object, syllogism, and intro/body/conclusion format so that we can help you discuss it.

Your unjustified bold dead end statements mean nothing to anybody.

radcen said:

The family of the victim is the last entity that should be making decisions like this. They're too emotionally involved, and in their clouded state less able to properly discern.

If anything, justice decisions need to be as dispassionate as possible.

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There are normally sentencing guidelines and options in the law.

The judge gets to choose from these.

The judge normally has a procedural requirement to inquire of all the family and anyone else related to the victim.

That's how it works.

Riveroaks said:

You should examine your own beliefs and notions and figure out where they came/come from.

Then lay it all out in subject/verb/object, syllogism, and intro/body/conclusion format so that we can help you discuss it.

Your unjustified bold dead end statements mean nothing to anybody.

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Hmmm, nice deflection.

Justice is about appropriate punishments and providing deterrent to certain actions. It is not for the relief of victims, it is not for the closure of families. They have to work those out separately. Justice is blind and emotionless.

But please, don't let that stop you from typing out some banal rebuttal that does nothing to address any actual argument.

I'm pro-death penalty... and I want him to serve a life sentence w/o parole.

why?... because a life sentence is far worse than a death sentence, and i'd like to see him suffer, and be aware that he is suffering... for as a long as humanly possible.

danarhea said:

I have always been outspoken against the death penalty, but if we are going to have one, this animal needs to be included. He drugged a 4 year old girl and pimped her. He needs to die. Whoever he pimped her to also needs to die.

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I disapprove on principle of "sting operations" , because they require the police to commit adulation with respect to crime. But yes, he deserves to be executed.

nota bene said:

I do: the father because he has betrayed a sacred trust. People who want to have sex with babies are sick, and children must be protected from them. It begins with daddy and mommie.

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Give any normal parent a baseball bat and lock them in a room with this moron.

Problem solved.

MaggieD said:

It DOES derail because people like me can't let that opinion stand without challenge.

There is no comparison between a police officer doing his job, and a parent loving and protecting his child. One is for a paycheck. The other is for humanity.

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Obviously there is not a one-to-one equivalence.

But there is a similar concept at play here, which is why other positions of trust & authority have higher standards of consequence (Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Coaches, even Bosses), but for some reason the Police seem to not just be absolved from the higher consequence rule, but in practice seem to receive lower or no consequences for poor or even criminal behavior.

And this is troubling & resentful for much of the general citizenry at large.

Ikari said:

Hmmm, nice deflection.

Justice is about appropriate punishments and providing deterrent to certain actions. It is not for the relief of victims, it is not for the closure of families. They have to work those out separately. Justice is blind and emotionless.

But please, don't let that stop you from typing out some banal rebuttal that does nothing to address any actual argument.

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What justice is, is an interesting philosophical question.

To me, when the victims' families are consoled, then this is justice.

Chomsky said:

Obviously there is not a one-to-one equivalence.

But there is a similar concept at play here, which is why other positions of trust & authority have higher standards of consequence (Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Coaches, even Bosses), but for some reason the Police seem to not just be absolved from the higher consequence rule, but in practice seem to receive lower or no consequences for poor or even criminal behavior.

And this is troubling & resentful for much of the general citizenry at large.

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I think that's probably a fair assumption.

MaggieD said:

I think that's probably a fair assumption.

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Thank you!