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Mizzou hunger-strike figure from Omaha, son of top railroad exec

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Daddy makes 8 million a year and he prolly got that job thru affirmative action. AA is everywhere and is the only racism left in america.

Mizzou hunger-strike figure from Omaha, son of top railroad exec : Lifestyles

nov 11 2015 Jonathan Butler, a central figure in the protests at the University of Missouri, is an Omaha native and the son of a railroad vice president, the Omaha World-Herald reports.

Butler refused food last week in a move to force the university system's president, Timothy M. Wolfe, from office. Wolfe resigned Monday and Butler ended his hunger strike.

Jonathan Butler played high-school football at Omaha Central High, where he won a state championship, and earned a bachelor’s degree in business administration from Mizzou, the newspaper reports. He is working toward a master’s degree in educational leadership and policy.

He is a member of a prominent Omaha family. The newspaper says that Butler's father is Eric L. Butler, executive vice president for sales and marketing for the Union Pacific Railroad. His 2014 compensation was $8.4 million, according to regulatory filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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Article says the protester is " working toward a master’s degree in educational leadership and policy." WTF kind of degree is that? More liberal arts BS and a complete waste of taxpayer money. Blacks need to study useful subjects like physics and engineering.
 
As the old saying goes... it takes being wealthy in the first place, to go out and tell people without wealth that someone else's wealth is the problem.

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TextDriversKill said:
Daddy makes 8 million a year and he prolly got that job thru affirmative action. AA is everywhere and is the only racism left in america.
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Are there any successful black people in the country that you don't think became successful through affirmative action? I just don't see how you can be so sure that almost all black people don't deserve what they have.
 
TextDriversKill said:
Daddy makes 8 million a year and he prolly got that job thru affirmative action. AA is everywhere and is the only racism left in america.
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OrphanSlug said:
As the old saying goes... it takes being wealthy in the first place, to go out and tell people without wealth that someone else's wealth is the problem.

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If the roles were reversed and this thread was about a white student that came from a very rich family that got turned away from a college because they let in a minority that wasn't as qualified, would either of you be bringing up how much money the white kids parents made and make fun of him for talking about oppression?
 
roughdraft274 said:
If the roles were reversed and this thread was about a white student that came from a very rich family that got turned away from a college because they let in a minority that wasn't as qualified, would either of you be bringing up how much money the white kids parents made and make fun of him for talking about oppression?
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Um... this kid did not get turned away from college.
 
I think the point is that if your parents have money, you're no longer affected by racism, allowed to partake in community politics, and banned from discussing the topic on public forum. Yes.

Am I getting the gist of things?
 
Hatuey said:
I think the point is that if your parents have money, you're no longer affected by racism, allowed to partake in community politics, and banned from discussing the topic on public forum. Yes.

Am I getting the gist of things?
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My issue is trying to understand how any kid coming from a family with a net worth of $20 million, with several other family members of prominence, and himself is working on obtaining a masters degree from the University of Missouri is... oppressed.

I get being angry about racial issues on campus not being looked at, I do not get the part about being oppressed.
 
OrphanSlug said:
My issue is trying to understand how any kid coming from a family with a net worth of $20 million, with several other family members of prominence, and himself is working on obtaining a masters degree from the University of Missouri is... oppressed.

I get being angry about racial issues on campus not being looked at, I do not get the part about being oppressed.
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He claims he is being oppressed? Or he's been attacked by racial slurs from students etc, and demands that the administration take some sort of action to ease tensions? If you have any links to his statements, that'd go a long way on this discussion.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Um... this kid did not get turned away from college.
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I know. I'm just saying, I don't understand how when a black kid talks about something being unfair all of a sudden the appropriate response is "hey, your dad has money, shut up!" but when a white kid gets passed for a minority we hear nothing but "it doesn't matter how much is family is worth!"

What I'm getting at in the simplest terms I can put it is that either this kid has a fair point or he doesn't. The amount his dad earns has nothing to do with the truth of his statement.
 
Hatuey said:
He claims he is being oppressed? Or he's been attacked by racial slurs from students etc, and demands that the administration take some sort of action to ease tensions? If you have any links to his statements, that'd go a long way on this discussion.
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Only based on some of these articles, so perhaps we should take it with a grain of salt. From the quotes I can find on the usual sources (like CNN, MSNBC, quotes from his interview with Anderson Cooper, etc.) he did not say the word "oppressed" explicitly. He did say both "disrupted the learning experience for marginalized & underrepresented students" and "I felt unsafe since the moment I stepped on this campus."

As I said, I can understand being upset about a school administration ignoring the calls for help & actions when someone reports incidents of racial slurs, or violence, or other events suggesting an underline racism. I have no problem with that, nor even protesting to the point that university administration steps down.

At the end of the day I do not think his core message of dealing with racism on campus was invalidated by his background, I simply do not like the idea of items being left out of the discussion when I am considering support or not for his actions.
 
Sounds like he takes railroading seriously.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Only based on some of these articles, so perhaps we should take it with a grain of salt. From the quotes I can find on the usual sources (like CNN, MSNBC, quotes from his interview with Anderson Cooper, etc.) he did not say the word "oppressed" explicitly. He did say both "disrupted the learning experience for marginalized & underrepresented students" and "I felt unsafe since the moment I stepped on this campus."
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Alright, now that we know what he said, would you say that these are feelings that go away with money? Or what exactly is the point here? That you can't feel discriminated against if you have money? I think most of 1930s Harlem would probably disagree with that. Alright, so we see that his statements on the matter are pretty much about how it affected his thoughts on safety and the education experience. That's far from oppressed.

As I said, I can understand being upset about a school administration ignoring the calls for help & actions when someone reports incidents of racial slurs, or violence, or other events suggesting an underline racism. I have no problem with that, nor even protesting to the point that university administration steps down.
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That seems to be what is going on.

At the end of the day I do not think his core message of dealing with racism on campus was invalidated by his background, I simply do not like the idea of items being left out of the discussion when I am considering support or not for his actions.
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It seems you like the idea of having false statements being included in the discussion though. Just for reference, how is money relevant to whether or not somebody will call somebody else a nigger?
 
Hatuey said:
Alright, now that we know what he said, would you say that these are feelings that go away with money? Or what exactly is the point here? That you can't feel discriminated against if you have money? I think most of 1930s Harlem would probably disagree with that. Alright, so we see that his statements on the matter are pretty much about how it affected his thoughts on safety and the education experience. That's far from oppressed.

That seems to be what is going on.

It seems you like the idea of having false statements being included in the discussion though. Just for reference, how is money relevant to whether or not somebody will call somebody else a nigger?
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Assuming all of that is happening as you (and he) state, why the benefit of the doubt but only in one direction?

If money is really irrelevant to oppression, we have a new conversation to have about relationship of economics to sociology.
 
TextDriversKill said:
Daddy makes 8 million a year and he prolly got that job thru affirmative action. AA is everywhere and is the only racism left in america.
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Do you have a shred of evidence that he only got his job through affirmative action? I didn't think so.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Assuming all of that is happening as you (and he) state, why the benefit of the doubt but only in one direction?

If money is really irrelevant to oppression, we have a new conversation to have about relationship of economics to sociology.
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Assuming, what? I asked you whether the point was that if you're black, and you have money, you're no longer allowed to talk about racism. Is that what we're getting at? Just so that I may inform all of the other groups who can't discuss racism because now that some of their members have money: You know, the Irish, the Chinese, the Native Americans, the Jews, etc.
 
Hatuey said:
Assuming, what? I asked you whether the point was that if you're black, and you have money, you're no longer allowed to talk about racism. Is that what we're getting at? Just so that I may inform all of the other groups who can't discuss racism because now that some of their members have money: You know, the Irish, the Chinese, the Native Americans, the Jews, etc.
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No, I do not think someone having money removes them from discussing racism.

And that is not what I was getting at either as I have tried to express, I do not like the characterization you are trying to brand me with.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, I do not think someone having money removes them from discussing racism.

And that is not what I was getting at either as I have tried to express, I do not like the characterization you are trying to brand me with.
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I think it's more likely that you didn't think about what you were saying. But that's what comes to mind when I see a post like yours where you dismiss what the kid has to say out of hand because his family is wealthy. It has nothing to do with the discussion.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I think it's more likely that you didn't think about what you were saying. But that's what comes to mind when I see a post like yours where you dismiss what the kid has to say out of hand because his family is wealthy. It has nothing to do with the discussion.
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Perhaps I did not...
 
roughdraft274 said:
If the roles were reversed and this thread was about a white student that came from a very rich family that got turned away from a college because they let in a minority that wasn't as qualified, would either of you be bringing up how much money the white kids parents made and make fun of him for talking about oppression?
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And maybe when I get up in the morning there will be a big fluffy pink frog that will crap gold bricks so I can buy that Ferrari what I want. And that has nothing to do with the thread other than it is a diversion and nothing more.
 
TextDriversKill said:
Daddy makes 8 million a year and he prolly got that job thru affirmative action. AA is everywhere and is the only racism left in america.
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No evidence that his father got the job because of AA. My boss' boss is a black man and is the smartest person I've ever worked for. He got his big job because of merit.

But it raises some concerns about the little **** who staged a hunger strike to get what he wanted. The President of Mizzou was supposed to acknowledge he had "white privilege". He didn't make anywhere close to $8 million a year.

So much for the lame argument that a black man can't get ahead in this country.
 
TextDriversKill said:
Daddy makes 8 million a year and he prolly got that job thru affirmative action. AA is everywhere and is the only racism left in america.
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assuming successful black man got job based on AA without evidence is racist, bro. Don't be racist.



As for this article, Where is he that he is offered food that he can "Refuse"?


It is kind of ironic a kid with such net worth is lecturing to the point of getting fired someone with far less net worth.
 
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