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ObamacareFail said:
Christie actually lost any chance when he made such a show of hugging Obama in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy followed by makin obvious moves to the political center.
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Well it is the independents and those in the center that move between parties, and decide Presidential elections.
 
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JANFU said:
Well it is the independents and those in the center that move between parties, and decide Presidential elections.
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However it is independants where Carson is beating Hillary
 
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JANFU said:
I can see the point did some searching. This is in regards to social security- taxes paid. We have a similar plan in Canada- Canada Pension Plan (CPP) no claw backs, but rates were raised as projected funding needs would not be met.
We also have another plan, funded from general revenues- OAS- Old Age Security- there is a claw back that begins, it is a high rate of income prior to the start of a claw back.
There is also a supplement for those that are in low income ranges.

Guaranteed Income Supplement - Service Canada

The issue is not having sufficient funding for S Security?? Regardless of how it is done, Christies plan, or tax increases on higher incomes, the money comes from the taxpayer.
What solution do you suggest?
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What's frustrating is that nobody on the Republican side wants to do anything but cut benefits or make it more difficult for people who paid all their lives to receive the benefits they've been promised. There's all those candidates up there on a stage, and so far everyone ignores the issue while they're on TV in front of millions of viewers.

Here in the States, the Social Security system is totally funded through the year 2032. The only part that appears to be in jeopardy is a sub-set known as "Social Security Disability". What happened was that all these people whose unemployment benefits ran out went straight to the Socialist-Democrat bureaucracy and got themselves signed up for Soc. Security "disability", often on the most threadbare and fraudulent grounds imaginable. Now they lay around on their asses all the time and, ostensibly, will NEVER have to go back to work. It's unfortunate because they're sucking the system dry, and their numbers have swelled astoundingly since our wonderous President Ding-a-ling has been in office.

What would I do instead (as though any Republican or Democrat big-wig would care....)? Well, first, I'd throw all the bums off of Soc. Security "disability" unless they have verifiable, solid medical reasons for drawing this benefit. They can go to work, or go lounge around in public libraries all day and then go eat at the community soup kitchens for all I care. They're leeches and parasites, and they need to be told that their socialist "bread-wagon" isn't rolling any more.

Next, I'd remove the cap on earnings for payment of Social Security and Medicare. These are currently capped at $118,500/year. I would make it open-ended, and make it apply to every penny a person earns. Why should the rich get a free ride? I may be harsh, but my harshness is fairly distributed, I think.

That would be a good beginning, and, given the fact that most Baby Boomers would be dead by 2032, the outlay for benefits would reduce substantially also. Here in the States, once you're dead, that it! You don't collect a penny after death, no matter how many decades you paid into the system. You can't give it to your children or will it to anyone, either. The government just sucks it right back up....
 
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Pollycy said:
What's frustrating is that nobody on the Republican side wants to do anything but cut benefits or make it more difficult for people who paid all their lives to receive the benefits they've been promised. There's all those candidates up there on a stage, and so far everyone ignores the issue while they're on TV in front of millions of viewers.

Here in the States, the Social Security system is totally funded through the year 2032. The only part that appears to be in jeopardy is a sub-set known as "Social Security Disability". What happened was that all these people whose unemployment benefits ran out went straight to the Socialist-Democrat bureaucracy and got themselves signed up for Soc. Security "disability", often on the most threadbare and fraudulent grounds imaginable. Now they lay around on their asses all the time and, ostensibly, will NEVER have to go back to work. It's unfortunate because they're sucking the system dry, and their numbers have swelled astoundingly since our wonderous President Ding-a-ling has been in office.

What would I do instead (as though any Republican or Democrat big-wig would care....)? Well, first, I'd throw all the bums off of Soc. Security "disability" unless they have verifiable, solid medical reasons for drawing this benefit. They can go to work, or go lounge around in public libraries all day and then go eat at the community soup kitchens for all I care. They're leeches and parasites, and they need to be told that their socialist "bread-wagon" isn't rolling any more.

Next, I'd remove the cap on earnings for payment of Social Security and Medicare. These are currently capped at $118,500/year. I would make it open-ended, and make it apply to every penny a person earns. Why should the rich get a free ride? I may be harsh, but my harshness is fairly distributed, I think.

That would be a good beginning, and, given the fact that most Baby Boomers would be dead by 2032, the outlay for benefits would reduce substantially also. Here in the States, once you're dead, that it! You don't collect a penny after death, no matter how many decades you paid into the system. You can't give it to your children or will it to anyone, either. The government just sucks it right back up....
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Throwing people on the street is more costly. Look at the costs for homelessness, higher than many think. Then add in the social costs. Welfare for some is a lifetime, due to health. Others need training and a hand up. But throwing people on the street is not right. Same with those on addiction, proper housing and counsel ling has a higher success rate than doing squat.
The US has double the rate of perm disability compared to Canada. That is a direct result of limits on welfare, and jobs training.
 
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Riveroaks said:
We have no idea who your "he" is BH.

Your grammatical antecedent is buried underneath pages of preceding comments.
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Sucks when someone else has an opinion, doesn't it?
 
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JANFU said:
Throwing people on the street is more costly. Look at the costs for homelessness, higher than many think. Then add in the social costs. Welfare for some is a lifetime, due to health. Others need training and a hand up. But throwing people on the street is not right. Same with those on addiction, proper housing and counsel ling has a higher success rate than doing squat.
The US has double the rate of perm disability compared to Canada. That is a direct result of limits on welfare, and jobs training.
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I agree completely that people who suffer from real sickness, verifiable handicaps, birth defects, and unfortunate things like that should be completely supported by a national "safety net", 100%. But people who have thrown their lives away by refusing to take any responsibility for their own actions, or mastering their addictions get no sympathy from me. We have an enormous, growing problem with swarms of people who simply assume now that the government OWES them every kind of subsistence welfare that they want. What can we do to escape the reckless irresponsibility of people like that? And even worse, they can live their entire lives on "welfare-suck" and be able to VOTE in every election! This is a scenario that will result in the decline and death of any nation that allows it.
 
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Pollycy said:
I agree completely that people who suffer from real sickness, verifiable handicaps, birth defects, and unfortunate things like that should be completely supported by a national "safety net", 100%. But people who have thrown their lives away by refusing to take any responsibility for their own actions, or mastering their addictions get no sympathy from me. We have an enormous, growing problem with swarms of people who simply assume now that the government OWES them every kind of subsistence welfare that they want. What can we do to escape the reckless irresponsibility of people like that? And even worse, they can live their entire lives on "welfare-suck" and be able to VOTE in every election! This is a scenario that will result in the decline and death of any nation that allows it.
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Then address it. When their is no work, what safety net is available? When it comes to jobs training, are benefits cut that in the end, the person works but has less money due to child care/ other expenses- dental is one?
Same with single parents, they end up working, but lose availability to programs, day care, so end up poorer in the end.
 
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I think Christie gets a bum rap but he's not my vote mainly because I have doubts about whether he could beat Hillary. I mean he couldn't even win his own state so what state would be with him that wouldn't be for any Republican in the field? Someone like Kasich could deliver Ohio or Rubio could deliver Florida.
 
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JumpinJack said:
A lot of people who don't consider him a serious candidate (which he's not) call him Huckleberry. Beause of his fakey downhome "I'm a small town country boy, is all" (which he says from his multi-million dollar mansion or his talk show on Fox). It IS true that conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

I remember long ago posters being offended by the "name calling" of George W. Bush being called "Shrub." Until they were told that that was indeed his nickname.

You may have to be from the south to understand these things. "Turdblossom" Rove would understand. (yes, that's Rove's nickname) Next to "Turdblossom," Huckleberry doesn't sound so bad, does it?

Huckleberry Finn is a famous fictional character in Americana fiction.
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Excellent. Double down on the stupidity in your response. Exactly what I expected from you.
 
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JANFU said:
Then address it. When their is no work, what safety net is available? When it comes to jobs training, are benefits cut that in the end, the person works but has less money due to child care/ other expenses- dental is one?
Same with single parents, they end up working, but lose availability to programs, day care, so end up poorer in the end.
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Why do you think that any of this is a responsibility of the government? Back when the United States was a dynamic, prosperous, goal-achieving nation, each person took personal responsibility for his/her own failures and successes!

The socialist refrain is that "we must get the government to do something...." WHAT? Here, the laws of physics apply also -- an object at rest tends to remain at rest. Give people subsistence welfare for over six years -- nearly all of it long AFTER the "Great Recession" ended, and guess what? You'll have what we have today -- over half of our population getting handouts of one kind or another, along with "subsidies", from guess who? UNCLE SUGAR!

I just had an exchange with a poster in Australia (in a different forum) in which he justified the fact that "down under", somehow, they've conned the government to buy them automobile insurance, on top of everything else! Is that where we're headed?!
 
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JANFU said:
Then address it. When their is no work, what safety net is available? When it comes to jobs training, are benefits cut that in the end, the person works but has less money due to child care/ other expenses- dental is one?
Same with single parents, they end up working, but lose availability to programs, day care, so end up poorer in the end.
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Why do you think that any of this is a responsibility of the government? Back when the United States was a dynamic, prosperous, goal-achieving nation, each person took personal responsibility for his/her own failures and successes!

The socialist refrain is that "we must get the government to do something...." WHAT? Here, the laws of physics apply also -- an object at rest tends to remain at rest. Give people subsistence welfare for over six years -- nearly all of it long AFTER the "Great Recession" ended, and guess what? You'll have what we have today -- over half of our population getting handouts of one kind or another, along with "subsidies", from guess who? UNCLE SUGAR!

I just had an exchange with a poster in Australia (in a different forum) in which he justified the fact that "down under", somehow, they've conned the government to buy them automobile insurance, on top of everything else! Is that where we're headed?!
 
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Pollycy said:
Why do you think that any of this is a responsibility of the government? Back when the United States was a dynamic, prosperous, goal-achieving nation, each person took personal responsibility for his/her own failures and successes!

The socialist refrain is that "we must get the government to do something...." WHAT? Here, the laws of physics apply also -- an object at rest tends to remain at rest. Give people subsistence welfare for over six years -- nearly all of it long AFTER the "Great Recession" ended, and guess what? You'll have what we have today -- over half of our population getting handouts of one kind or another, along with "subsidies", from guess who? UNCLE SUGAR!

I just had an exchange with a poster in Australia (in a different forum) in which he justified the fact that "down under", somehow, they've conned the government to buy them automobile insurance, on top of everything else! Is that where we're headed?!
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The days of where a community pulled together to help are long past. I have no issue with having people work if they can, assistance to break the cycle, but a society in my opinion is judged party on how they treat their young, old and those in need.
Are there issues to be addressed, yes.
 
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JANFU said:
Well it is the independents and those in the center that move between parties, and decide Presidential elections.
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Independant lefties can help him out in Jersey, however he would have to draw significant numbers of conservative votes in the red states if he is going to have a snowball's chance in Hell.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Independant lefties can help him out in Jersey, however he would have to draw significant numbers of conservative votes in the red states if he is going to have a snowball's chance in Hell.
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Evening
I like others are so tired of lefties and the neo cons crap. Your political discussion is non existent. One side is always the enemy. One side are always the liars. Both sides have created this and their followers act like lemmings
When you have a population that decides to live in areas that are either republican or democrat, well your country has problems..
 
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JANFU said:
The days of where a community pulled together to help are long past. I have no issue with having people work if they can, assistance to break the cycle, but a society in my opinion is judged party on how they treat their young, old and those in need.
Are there issues to be addressed, yes.
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Again, I wholeheartedly agree that those who are verifiably unable to support themselves should be provided with a national "safety-net". People who are blind, crippled, seriously ill, afflicted with birth defects, and so on never should have to want for food, shelter, and clothing. Everybody else should be told, "The gravy-train ends NOW! Go to work, or go to hell!""
 
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JANFU said:
Evening
I like others are so tired of lefties and the neo cons crap. Your political discussion is non existent. One side is always the enemy. One side are always the liars. Both sides have created this and their followers act like lemmings
When you have a population that decides to live in areas that are either republican or democrat, well your country has problems..
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Whether you like it or not, one side of the political equation in this country is the enemy of what the founding fathers intended. The intention was a system of limited government. That is what today's conservatives support. Today's liberals support the opposite...they support big and bloated government. Yes...there are many party hacks on both sides who follow their party like lemmings, however this coming 2016 election suggests that may be starting wear off. At least on the republican side, those candidates who are not career politicians appear to have the edge. Term limits in congress would solve most of the problems with politics in this country today. As for your apparent suggestion that Americans decide where they want to live based on whether it's a blue state or a red state, that is ludicrous.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Whether you like it or not, one side of the political equation in this country is the enemy of what the founding fathers intended. The intention was a system of limited government. That is what today's conservatives support. Today's liberals support the opposite...they support big and bloated government. Yes...there are many party hacks on both sides who follow their party like lemmings, however this coming 2016 election suggests that may be starting wear off. At least on the republican side, those candidates who are not career politicians appear to have the edge. Term limits in congress would solve most of the problems with politics in this country today. As for your apparent suggestion that Americans decide where they want to live based on whether it's a blue state or a red state, that is ludicrous.
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I was referring to neighborhoods, rich people.
 
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