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Americans becoming less religious, especially young adults: poll

Luftwaffe said:
*facefist*

Hitler quit the sacraments around the age of 15, and although that is up for debate, we KNOW FOR A FACT that Hitler did not observe anything in regards to Christianity in his later years including his rise to power all the way to his death.

And even if this was some magical world where you were right, how the hell am I arguing from bigotry?!?!?!?!
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I've heard you religious types say it many many times over the years.

hitler/Stalin was an atheist so that means all atheists are people who don't know morality so they will more than likely be just as murderous as Hitler and Stalin.

It's an incredibly ignorant and bigoted argument. And i for one am sick and tired of it.

It's the same kind of arguments that leftists and liberals use to demonize conservatives. And the exact same kind of arguments conservatives use to bash everybody else as well.

And the crux of the matter is, these people always, always, always say it's wrong for others, then turn right around and do the same damned thing.

that's why.

And you should read Mein kampf, in which he declares many times in many ways that to kill the Jew is to do God's work.
 
Getting back to the OP, i would love to see the day when all forms of religion and bigotry and intolerance are gone.


But don't think that would change anything.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. – Anonymous
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Actually, I'm sure many poor people have prayed for food and received it thanks to the food drives that just about every church hosts.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I've heard you religious types say it many many times over the years.

hitler/Stalin was an atheist so that means all atheists are people who don't know morality so they will more than likely be just as murderous as Hitler and Stalin.

It's an incredibly ignorant and bigoted argument. And i for one am sick and tired of it.

It's the same kind of arguments that leftists and liberals use to demonize conservatives. And the exact same kind of arguments conservatives use to bash everybody else as well.

And the crux of the matter is, these people always, always, always say it's wrong for others, then turn right around and do the same damned thing.

that's why.

And you should read Mein kampf, in which he declares many times in many ways that to kill the Jew is to do God's work.
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And how exactly is that evidence of Hitler's "Christianity"? Does that jibe in any way with Christ's teachings?
 
Ancient Herald said:
:roll:

Stalin and hitler were never atheists. they considered themselves Christians.
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Why? Because he once attended church?

Did Jesus never teach you folks who buy into that nonsense that there were wolves in sheep's clothing in the church? And Hitler wouldn't seem more a wolf than a 'Christian' to you? Really? Get real.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I've heard you religious types say it many many times over the years.

hitler/Stalin was an atheist so that means all atheists are people who don't know morality so they will more than likely be just as murderous as Hitler and Stalin.

It's an incredibly ignorant and bigoted argument. And i for one am sick and tired of it.

It's the same kind of arguments that leftists and liberals use to demonize conservatives. And the exact same kind of arguments conservatives use to bash everybody else as well.

And the crux of the matter is, these people always, always, always say it's wrong for others, then turn right around and do the same damned thing.

that's why.

And you should read Mein kampf, in which he declares many times in many ways that to kill the Jew is to do God's work.
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(bold) #1 I'm not religious in the sense that I belong to any organized religion

#2 Ok, when the hell did I say atheists were cold blooded murderers? I'd in effect be shunning my own sister who is an atheist
 
No one is saying that the decline in religion will make the world peaceful. It will just allow people to live without judgment and let society just get on with it.
Wars will be fought over resources, land etc but as a society I think we will achieve more. End of the day it wasn't the church that put a man on the moon.
 
Higgins86 said:
No one is saying that the decline in religion will make the world peaceful. It will just allow people to live without judgment and let society just get on with it.
Wars will be fought over resources, land etc but as a society I think we will achieve more. End of the day it wasn't the church that put a man on the moon.
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you really think that religion is the sole cause of bigotry and intolerance?
Think again.

it's expectations of soulless mindless unthinking unfeeling conformity that causes hatred, bigotry, and intolerance.

As long as tribalism and xenophobia exists, there will always be those things, regardless of religious or political beliefs and opinions.
 
Ancient Herald said:
Getting back to the OP, i would love to see the day when all forms of religion and bigotry and intolerance are gone.
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Except bigotry and intolerance toward the religious apparently.
 
Historically, American religiousity goes up and down in cycles. This has been seen to be the case since the 1800s if not before.
 
Luftwaffe said:
(bold) #1 I'm not religious in the sense that I belong to any organized religion

#2 Ok, when the hell did I say atheists were cold blooded murderers? I'd in effect be shunning my own sister who is an atheist
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Okay, I made an error and assumed you were going on about atheists when you talked about hitler giving up his sacraments at the age of 15. i'm extremely used to religious people doing that. I apologize for that mistake.

But, i don't accept that. if you read Mein Kampf, which is the book he dictated while he was in prison after his beer hall putsch, then you'd see he did at least use Christianity to support genocide and other nasty things.
 
Higgins86 said:
Good, the less we look towards sky gods for guidance the better off we will be as a species.
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Yup, they'll look towards man, or even worse Government for guidance

They're going to be really disappointed when they find out that man is a falable as they are.
 
The concept that, in a seemingly infinite universe; one god, on one planet, in one solar system, in one galaxy, is the only possible deity or higher being is simply baffling to me. There are an estimated 40 billion earth sized planets that live in "habitable zones," even if a fraction of a percent of those are actually inhabited by life forms similar to ours, and assuming their planet has a similar number of religions when compared to ours, there are an astronomical number of religions in this universe, yet people are assured theirs is the only possible one in existence. It makes no sense.

But hey, I have nothing against people who are religious, I'm glad they have found something they can look to for guidance. It is something that every person should be able to practice no matter what, it's just not for me.
 
Faith in a creator threatens the left. They want you to put that faith in Government, in man and not God.
 
JC Callender said:
Actually, I'm sure many poor people have prayed for food and received it thanks to the food drives that just about every church hosts.
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They may receive food from people affiliated with churches or not affiliated with churches. It has nothing to do with "praying"
 
Fenton said:
Faith in a creator threatens the left. They want you to put that faith in Government, in man and not God.
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Or putting faith in yourself or maybe your neighbor if he's not an asshole.
 
I used to be fairly religious, I'm not really anymore.

Regardless, I think many in my generation are irreligious for all the wrong reasons.
 
Moon said:
Except bigotry and intolerance toward the religious apparently.
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yes you poor poor mistreated Christians who do nothing wrong in any way.

You are just so superior to everybody else so you can't do any wrong and anything that goes against you is oppression.

Hm, just like liberals.
 
Ancient Herald said:
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Stalin and hitler were never atheists. they considered themselves Christians.

You lose.
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Tell me how they were Christian in belief and actions. You lose.
 
Ancient Herald said:
yes you poor poor mistreated Christians who do nothing wrong in any way.

You are just so superior to everybody else so you can't do any wrong and anything that goes against you is oppression.

Hm, just like liberals.
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Clear you have a hate on for religion. Hate does cloud judgment.
 
I am less worried about 'god', and more worried about the followers, something that rings true for any ideological or belief system.
Tell that to the two hundred million plus people murdered by organized atheists in the last century.
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If you are talking about Stalin? He was brought up in the Russian Orthodox faith, and the Russian Orthodox Church was the brutal right-hand of tzarist Russia. It was hardly surprising that if the government before the Communists was brutal and repressive, the one following afterwards would be too. Though, ultimately what Stalin did had nothing to do with 'atheism', and ironically in the 'atheist state' of the USSR most Russians remained Russian Orthodox.

If you are talking about Hitler he was a Roman Catholic, in public and in private, not an 'atheist', and since he killed off prominent atheists (including atheist communists) it is even less believable that he had a favorable opinion of atheism. Also his party dabbled in religious cults, so it isn't like they were ever truly 'atheist', and at most they were 'agnostic theist'. But it was't 'Roman Catholicism' that pushed Hitler to go on a killing spree.

If you are talking about Mao, then he actually was a 'socialist', though he spent the early part of his life fighting the Japanese, then the Chinese Nationalists, and like Stalin brought up under a tyrannical and rather brutal government. So again no surprise that when the Communists finally seized power that the government that replaced it wasn't any less tyrannical and repressive.

The things all these leaders had in common was not 'religious views', but their general paranoia and psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies.
 
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