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Obama rips into 2016 GOP field, mocks their debate complaints

Barack Obama can STFU, he was never vetted by the media nor asked difficult questions. He's a big *****.

Oh, please. He was asked plenty of "difficult questions," though perhaps it is understandable that one might not be aware of it given how much was drowned out by prolonged and loud claims by quite a bit of the right that Barack HUSSEIN Obama was a secret muslim from Kenya. Talk about unfair attacks on a candidate....
 
I don't get the whole "they couldn't deal with the moderators"

Having an issue with the moderator and voicing that issue is not being unable to "deal with them".

If Obama's version of "dealing" with someone who is acting in an inappropriate, adversarial, or aggressive manner is to simply go along with it and do what they want without standing up to it......then yes, they did a poor job "dealing with it". And yes, it is does cause it to paint a very striking picture as it relates to Obama/Putin relations, though likely not in the way the President would want.

Cruz's "dealing" with the Moderators was similar to Bill Bellicheck or Gregg Popovich "dealing" with Refs who were not going his way. By being critical and harsh towards their efforts with an understanding that doing so may likely have a positive impact on lessening the chance of said actions to occur again in a similar fashion in the future. And sure enough, as the debate went on, the Moderators began to back pedal on some of their line of questioning or were more apt to balk when the Crowd tore into them for an inappropriate question. We now see that it's spurring the party establishment to reconsider how these debates are going to be handled and moderated.

The way it was "dealt" with had a positive effect on how things progressed the rest of that night, how it'll likely progress in the future, and how the people actually relevant to the primary are reacting to it. I would say that was a pretty successful manner of "Dealing" with it. Far more beneficial to their interests than just sitting back, taking it, and going along with the process simply because.

As I mentioned to Orphanslug, your critique needs to recognize that this speech from Obama was clouded in the realm of comedy, and political comedy, at that. It shouldn't be surprising, or unreasonable, when the point raised for laughs will not technically be correct or fair.
 
Barack Obama can STFU, he was never vetted by the media nor asked difficult questions. He's a big *****.

While I realize that is the accepted right wing narrative to attempt to rationalize why the nation so thoroughly rejected their own GOP presidential candidates, its a bunch of self serving reeking nonsense.

And if there is any credibility in this line of carping, it now appears that the right wing DOES NOT a strong press to do their job in a perpetual whining fit "but you didn't do it to Obama" that permeates their thinking ....... or what attempts to pass for it.

Make up your mind already. Do you want a press to do their job or don't you? And unless you have access to Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine - it is they who can STFU about ancient history that nobody can change.

This is 2015 - accept it and move on already.
 
This was big, bold, snotty stuff coming from a man who, since 2007, has had the hyperliberal "news" media kissing his ass until it drips!

Foreign policy? When have the hyperliberal "news" media gone after Obama for totally ****ing up Libya and turning it into such a dangerous place that we haven't even been able to keep an embassy open in Tripoli since July 2014? Why haven't these jackals and goons in the "news" media ripped into Obama's ass like a chainsaw over the whole "Red Line" debacle in Syria, which, along with his complete inept handling of the situation in Iraq, has given rise to the entire threat of ISIS, complete with the refugee disaster that has millions of people invading Europe now?! Why haven't the objective, "fair-and-balanced" liberal commentators pointed out what a liar Obama is for turning-tail on every promise he made about getting out of Afghanistan, and instead, doing everything he could to make certain that we remain mired in that senseless mess until at least 2024?

Yeah, in front of his ass-kissing buddies in the hyperliberal "news" media he can talk big ****, but most of the rest of us have seen him and his incompetent regime for what they are and what they've done. And, unlike many who simply look the other way, we have attention-spans that permit us to remember this!

The rise of ISIS was caused by the invasion of Iraq, they are Sunni trying to get back to Baghdad.
 
As I mentioned to Orphanslug, your critique needs to recognize that this speech from Obama was clouded in the realm of comedy, and political comedy, at that. It shouldn't be surprising, or unreasonable, when the point raised for laughs will not technically be correct or fair.

I would actually agree with that. My response to it was treating it in a similar fashion to the OP, who seemed to be treating it as a serious, candid, and "apt" take. I agree with you that it was cached in the realm of comedy, in a relaxed setting, filled with ideological peers and as such deference should be given to the sincerity, accuracy, and presentation of the information. It's why, while I may disagree with the critique, I didn't have some great issue with Obama saying it and you're correct to suggest it shouldn't be parsed so much. I do wish such understanding was always extended on both sides; for instance, not acting like John McCain was literally advocating we need to Bomb Iran.

I would however hope you'd offer up a similar call to recognize this as what it is to those like the OP who also responded to his words as if they were serious and a legitimate argument against the Republicans as opposed to political comedy.

And I'll also echo the end of your comment to Orphanslug...

The point raised by my post remains - suggesting that questioning, attacking, and refusing to simply accept the fairness of questions from some debate moderators is somehow an indication of weakness or an inability to deal with adversarial or "tough" situations is an off base and erroneous suggestion.
 
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I'm pretty sure "the right" also twisted it into a political attack - the usual complaints about their supposed victimization by the "liberal media".

I think they have now, I would agree. It speak a good bit about the condition of politics in this nation. Fair point.
 
Your critique needs to first recognize that this entire speech was clothed in the fashion of comedy, and political comedy at that. The notion that the point needs to be "fair" or "completely accurate" in a political comedy speech seems a bit absurd. With that said, you're correct to note that Democrats dismissed the actual critiques of the debate in favor of political talking points, but that's not entirely shocking or unreasonable. And the point raised by Obama remains - whining about the fairness of questions from some debate moderators does not demonstrate the types of leadership and negotiating qualities that are likely to force foreign leaders to respect and acquiesce to your position.

Not sure I buy any longer that comedy reduces the reason (or intensity, for lack of a better word) for the attack, especially when you follow up that comment about points that stand anyway.
 
(CNN) - President Barack Obama tore into Republican presidential candidates Monday night at a Democratic fundraising event in New York, saying their complaints about CNBC's debate moderation aren't an encouraging preview for their governing abilities.

"Have you noticed that everyone of these candidates say, 'Obama's weak. Putin's kicking sand in his face. When I talk to Putin, he's going to straighten out,'" Obama said, impersonating a refrain among Republican candidates that he's allowed Russian President Vladimir Putin too much leeway.

"Then it turns out they can't handle a bunch of CNBC moderators at the debate. Let me tell you, if you can't handle those guys, then I don't think the Chinese and the Russians are going to be too worried about you," Obama said.

Republicans widely decried the GOP primary debate sponsored by the financial news network last week, saying the questions lacked substance and the moderators failed to adhere to agreed-upon standards. An effort to insist upon debate reforms, however, appeared uncertain Monday evening.

In 2007, when he was pursuing the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama had his own issues with debate hosts: Fox News. He, along with candidates Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, skipped out of a Fox News-Congressional Black Caucus co-hosted debate, spurred by pressure from the liberal Moveon.org, which claimed Fox News was biased against Democrats.

Obama, launching a series of darts on the Republican slate of candidates, said Monday they "occupy a different reality" on issues like health care, climate change and the economy.

"According to them everything was really good in 2008," he said. "When we were going through the worst economic crisis in our lifetimes, unemployment and uninsured rates were up, we were hopelessly addicted to foreign oil and (Osama) bin Laden was still on the loose. This apparently was the golden age that I messed up."

Obama was speaking ahead of a performance of the musical "Hamilton," an audacious hip-hop telling of Alexander Hamilton's life.

"They're so glum," he said of the 2016 GOP field. "They're really so frustrated ... Everybody here's got a list of things we've got to tackle. But maybe what makes us a little different as Democrats is we try to base our analysis on facts."

Referring to GOP Sen. Jim Inhofe's use of a snowball on the Senate floor to question the existence of climate change -- a recurring element of Obama's criticism of Republicans -- the President said only "that's crazy."

"I was going to quote Kanye but I can't, because this is a family audience," he said. "But it's crazy."


Obama rips into 2016 GOP field - CNNPolitics.com

Aptly said. Let's see how the GOP candidates do in their next debate, with softball questions.


The interesting fall out from the Presidents whine are the sound bites and documented examples of other political moves he has made over the years, against media he is scared of. His girly man fear of Fox News is epic, and yet he makes fun of the obnoxious examples of journalism displayed by CNN and CNBC.

Fortunately, nobody but the indoctrinated think anything of his comments.
 
I would actually agree with that. My response to it was treating it in a similar fashion to the OP, who seemed to be treating it as a serious, candid, and "apt" take. I agree with you that it was cached in the realm of comedy, in a relaxed setting, filled with ideological peers and as such deference should be given to the sincerity, accuracy, and presentation of the information. It's why, while I may disagree with the critique, I didn't have some great issue with Obama saying it and you're correct to suggest it shouldn't be parsed so much. I do wish such understanding was always extended on both sides; for instance, not acting like John McCain was literally advocating we need to Bomb Iran.

I would however hope you'd offer up a similar call to recognize this as what it is to those like the OP who also responded to his words as if they were serious and a legitimate argument against the Republicans as opposed to political comedy.

Aptly said, can infer political comedy. :)

The interesting fall out from the Presidents whine are the sound bites and documented examples of other political moves he has made over the years, against media he is scared of. His girly man fear of Fox News is epic, and yet he makes fun of the obnoxious examples of journalism displayed by CNN and CNBC.

Fortunately, nobody but the indoctrinated think anything of his comments.

What "girly man fear"? He interviewed with Bill O'Reilly. CNN and CNBC are just as bad as Fox News when it comes to "obnoxious examples of journalism". That's the consequence of the 24 hour news cycle.
 
I remember the "hyperliberal" news media kissing GWB' ass in the lead up to his bogus war in Iraq. News outlets have financial interests in too many non news related areas, namely the defense department, so they come through when they need to. ;)

Every intelligence "alphabet" agency in Washington was warning everybody that it was certain Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass-destruction", and that he was developing nuclear weapons! They droned on it night and day, to Bush, and to the Congress. TOGETHER, Bush and the Congress voted for a War Powers resolution to invade Iraq. Oh, it was a terrible, tragic mistake, and everybody was able to run away from it -- including Hillary Clinton -- but poor, old "W" Bush was stuck with it, and rightly so. When you're the guy in charge, you WEAR it. Unless you're Obama, evidently.

He broke the War Powers Act by overthrowing Gadhaffi in Libya for NO reason at all, but where was the hyperliberal righteous indignation with that?! Obama concluded a "midnight deal" with Karzai in Afghanistan in May 2012 to keep us stuck there until 2024 -- did you hear one peep from the hyperliberal Left?

Oh, and the "Red Line" debacle! Sure, the media mentioned it once or twice, usually by adding the fiction that somehow we ("WE") were going to be able to grab up all the toxic weapons in Syria in a matter of days, transport them to some island in the Mediterranean, and safely dispose of them in just a few weeks...?! Hint: we've got entire depots, covering square miles of Colorado, Utah, and Oregon with toxic ordnance dating from back to World War ONE that we haven't been able to get rid of yet -- but somehow Obama managed to pull off this "miracle" in Syria...? When was the last time you heard anybody in the hyperlib press comment on THAT?!

I would just note that each and every one of these points have been addressed and criticized by nearly every single news organization in the country. The fact that you don't remember them or do not want to remember them is not the fault of the "media."

Nixon deserved to be hounded to death by the liberal, Leftist media. Remember, please, that I said that first! Nixon brought it on himself, and he deserved it for Watergate. Now... think for a minute about the unending feast of hatred and acrimony that would have poured all over Barack Obama from the same liberal, Leftist media if he had been a right-wing Conservative! If you were alive and paying attention during the Watergate scandal, you know exactly what I mean. It was Watergate, Watergate, Watergate, 24-7, from sun-up to sun-up, forever and after! But Obama screws up everything he touches, leaves our borders wide open, and turns the economy over to a cabal of private bankers in the Federal Reserve cartel, along with making complete wreckage of our foreign policy, and what do we hear from the media -- ? Fantasy football!
 
Aptly said, can infer political comedy. :)



What "girly man fear"? He interviewed with Bill O'Reilly. CNN and CNBC are just as bad as Fox News when it comes to "obnoxious examples of journalism". That's the consequence of the 24 hour news cycle.

That is my point. The President jokes about facing Putin and the GOP's complaints about the debates, yet his own record shows an unwillingness to confront a media source he knows could be confrontational. The man has complained about Fox News for years. He knows his sound bite will be played over and over, and all I have suggested is it will only strike a cord with his indoctrinated supporters.
 
That is my point. The President jokes about facing Putin and the GOP's complaints about the debates, yet his own record shows an unwillingness to confront a media source he knows could be confrontational. The man has complained about Fox News for years. He knows his sound bite will be played over and over, and all I have suggested is it will only strike a cord with his indoctrinated supporters.

Media sources claiming that Obama is a Kenyan? Media sources claiming that Obama is a Muslim? Media sources claiming that Obama is not an American citizen? Shall I go on?
 
The interesting fall out from the Presidents whine are the sound bites and documented examples of other political moves he has made over the years, against media he is scared of. His girly man fear of Fox News is epic, and yet he makes fun of the obnoxious examples of journalism displayed by CNN and CNBC.

Fortunately, nobody but the indoctrinated think anything of his comments.


As opposed to the right-wing that imagines vast media conspiracies against them because the words they say are reported and their plans are examined.
 
Media sources claiming that Obama is a Kenyan? Media sources claiming that Obama is a Muslim? Media sources claiming that Obama is not an American citizen? Shall I go on?

Which media source are you referring to? Are you speaking of a network, or an individual on the network?
 
Every intelligence "alphabet" agency in Washington was warning everybody that it was certain Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass-destruction", and that he was developing nuclear weapons!

NOOOOOOOO! They didn't say that. Bush's people did and they did that by cherry picking information while leaving information that undermines their case out completely. Everyone was saying Saddam had WMDs because Bush was saying that.

So the only argument you are making here is that we should have known better than to trust Conservatives when they were telling us Saddam was a threat. And that is precisely the reason why I don't trust anything Conservatives say or do today. So congrats for making it very easy for me.
 
Which media source are you referring to? Are you speaking of a network, or an individual on the network?

Fox News. That network brought up that nonsense and Obama addressed it, which goes against your previous point:

The interesting fall out from the Presidents whine are the sound bites and documented examples of other political moves he has made over the years, against media he is scared of. His girly man fear of Fox News is epic, and yet he makes fun of the obnoxious examples of journalism displayed by CNN and CNBC.

Fortunately, nobody but the indoctrinated think anything of his comments.
 
Media sources claiming that Obama is a Kenyan? Media sources claiming that Obama is a Muslim? Media sources claiming that Obama is not an American citizen? Shall I go on?

Exactly. Why would the president even take that nasty Fox station as a legitimate news source in the first place?
 
But Obama screws up everything he touches

Who was it that invaded Iraq? Who was it that cut taxes and erased a surplus? Who was it that passed the largest, unfunded entitlement expansion ever? Who was it that stood dumbly by as New Orleans was washed away? Who was it that did nothing to protect us from al Qaeda? Who was it who lowered lending standards and flooded the market with over 800,000 no-doc, subprime loans to create a housing bubble?

Oh right, but Obama is the one who screws up everything. LOL! That's hilarious.


leaves our borders wide open

Peak illegal immigration happened in 2006. Who was President then? Who controlled Congress then? There has never been a year with more illegal immigrants coming into the country than 2006.

But Obama is the one who leaves borders wide open. LOL! Hilarious.


and turns the economy over to a cabal of private bankers in the Federal Reserve carte

This is so stupid, I don't even know where to start. How about we start with the fact that the economy was handed over to Wall Street long before Obama took office. And the Federal Reserve? Do you even know what the Federal Reserve is and what it does? These Conservatives are apoplectic when it comes to the Fed but not a single one of them knows what the Fed does. But you want to get rid of it because it sounds like you know what you're talking about. The reality is that you don't. It was the Federal Reserve that saved your Capitalist system back in 2007-9. Without the Fed handing loans out to all those banks and businesses that you've been canonizing all these years, the economy would have collapsed. QE is trickle-down economics at its most base! It is literally handing money to big banks and businesses and rich people in the hopes that it will make its way into the economy somehow. That is trickle-down economics; give the top everything and hope it trickles down to everyone else. So why do you oppose the Fed since they're doing exactly what you wanted to happen.


along with making complete wreckage of our foreign policy

Who was it who invaded Iraq? Oh right, you. Who was it who couldn't get a coalition together to prevent Iranian nuclear development? Oh right, you. Obama got the world to go along with global sanctions against Iran in 2010. Sanctions so effective, they forced Iran to the table to negotiate a nuclear deal that freezes their ability to make nuclear weapons. Bush couldn't even get a coalition to stick around in Iraq for more than a couple years...

But Obama is the failure...LOL! Hilarious


and what do we hear from the media -- ? Fantasy football!

What do you want the media to talk about? Becuase whenever they do, the inevitable happens...we have to go back and remember why we are in the situation in the first place. And universally, it's because of your failed policies. So since your policies failed so miserably that they are producing the headaches we are dealing with today, why should anyone listen to a thing you people say????
 
Fox News. That network brought up that nonsense and Obama addressed it, which goes against your previous point:

Please provide direct links to where the Fox News Network claimed President Obama was a Muslim, a Kenyan, and was not a US Citizen.
 
Obama who??

You mean the guy who considers the Daily Show media scrutiny of his administration?
 
That is my point. The President jokes about facing Putin and the GOP's complaints about the debates, yet his own record shows an unwillingness to confront a media source he knows could be confrontational. The man has complained about Fox News for years. He knows his sound bite will be played over and over, and all I have suggested is it will only strike a cord with his indoctrinated supporters.

I'd say that any politician who spent a lot of time stoking the birther crowd (or who like Trump overtly was a birther) has precisely zero standing to whine about a question from a moderator that was too combative for their tastes.
 

I asked for evidence that the Fox News Network claimed President Obama is a Muslim. All you have done it take the laughable spin of the Fox obsessed MediaMatters regarding speculation about the Presidents background. Not one single person that I saw, or read about, categorically stated President Obama considers himself Muslim.

I note you failed to include any link to the Fox News Network claiming the President is a Kenyan, or is not a US Citizen
 
I asked for evidence that the Fox News Network claimed President Obama is a Muslim. All you have done it take the laughable spin of the Fox obsessed MediaMatters regarding speculation about the Presidents background. Not one single person that I saw, or read about, categorically stated President Obama considers himself Muslim.

I note you failed to include any link to the Fox News Network claiming the President is a Kenyan, or is not a US Citizen............. Please understand I am not interested in becoming your whipping boy to bolster against your those nagging feeling you have as a result of your poor self image problems.........
To dismiss reports of Faux's guilt for posting lies about Obama because you consider all of Media Matters reports as tainted and dripping with bias.............is far short of a post\ which disputes the claim of Faux's complicity in reporting lies as if it was real and accurate news........

........but more as a childish exit strategy to avoid anything resembling a defense for what you have claimed...........

BTW.......I doubt you even bothered to read MM's report which so often replete with citations from responsible an d respected news sources ...........

.....so sorry my friend but your shoot does not fly..........
 
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It would be a reasonable point, but only if Obama was right about the faults of the CNBC debate. This is what I thought would happen, Democrats using what happened at that debate for political attack purposes the entire time ignoring what the complaints were really about. The funny thing is right after the CNBC debates there was fair consensus that the debate was handled poorly, the moderators had little control over the debate, discussions on the issues were secondary to questions designed to get them to go after each other, and some of the information that served as basis for some of the questions was at least under debate as well. But that consensus was quickly discarded the moment the left realized they could twist it into a political attack.

Obama just needs to worry about his teleprompter reading.
he is no one to criticize someone else for debates.

all his umm's and aaahhh's are bloody annoying, and well ya see Person x.
 
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