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Obama Bans Hiring Bias Against Ex-Cons Seeking Federal Jobs

ludin said:
I swear to God this guy has 0 brains in his head. so I guess no convicted felons are a protected class?

who in their right mind would want a convicted felon around classified information.
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The overwhelming majority of federal jobs don't deal with classified information.
 
Anomalism said:
Thoughts?

Obama Bans Hiring Bias Against Ex-Cons Seeking Federal Jobs - NBC News

On Monday, President Obama is announcing a new order to reduce potential discrimination against former convicts in the hiring process for federal government employees. It is a step towards what many criminal justice reformers call "ban the box" - the effort to eliminate requirements that job applicants check a box on their applications if they have a criminal record. While the rule was once seen as a common sense way for employers to screen for criminal backgrounds, it has been increasingly criticized as a hurdle that fosters employment discrimination against former inmates, regardless of the severity of their offense or how long ago it occurred. Banning the box delays when employers learn of an applicant's record.
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Good. Another step in the right direction.
 
countryboy said:
Oh great, that's just what we need, more criminals in government positions. :roll:
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At least these particular criminals have paid their debts back to society. Unlike the other ones I think you are alluding to. :)
 
BrewerBob said:
The overwhelming majority of federal jobs don't deal with classified information.
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It's a serious problem you have created for the poster by confusing him with some facts..................
 
imyoda said:
It's a serious problem you have created for the poster by confusing him with some facts..................
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Oh c'mon. It isn't just classified positions that should be out of bounds, but also positions that deal with the very reason they spent prison time to begin with. Recidivism rate is already high enough, no need to push it higher by tempting these folks with precisely what sunk them to begin with.

Yeah, let's give that child molester who just got released a job with the federal after school program. :roll:
 
It seems like a step in the right direction. We shouldn't make it any harder than necessary for ex-cons to find jobs, that's just going to push them towards more illegal activity.

Employers should be able to find out about past convictions if they're relevant to the job, but nothing else.
 
Ban the box is just plain hilarious. We have a bunch of crooks in D.C. and now they want to make it easier to hire more crooks. Way to go Barrack!
 
clownboy said:
Oh c'mon. It isn't just classified positions that should be out of bounds, but also positions that deal with the very reason they spent prison time to begin with. Recidivism rate is already high enough, no need to push it higher by tempting these folks with precisely what sunk them to begin with.

Yeah, let's give that child molester who just got released a job with the federal after school program. :roll:
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you're being silly now.............
 
imyoda said:
you're being silly now.............
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Explain. Why do you think it's silly to bar felons who have spent prison time from a federal job dealing with precisely what they went to prison for (often multiple times)?
 
clownboy said:
Explain. Why do you think it's silly to bar felons who have spent prison time from a federal job dealing with precisely what they went to prison for (often multiple times)?
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You miss my point............it is you who is being silly with your less than meaningful "observations".
 
BrewerBob said:
The overwhelming majority of federal jobs don't deal with classified information.
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an overwhelming majority of federal jobs deal with private information and some do deal with classified information.
 
BrewerBob said:
At least these particular criminals have paid their debts back to society. Unlike the other ones I think you are alluding to. :)
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And what is the recidivism rate for these people who have "paid their debt to society"? ;)
 
ludin said:
I swear to God this guy has 0 brains in his head. so I guess no convicted felons are a protected class?

who in their right mind would want a convicted felon around classified information.
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I think you misunderstand the executive order. It does not prevent federal employers from finding out or refusing to hire ex-convicts. That type of analysis, especially one that takes into account the nature of the crime compared to the job being offered, will still take place. This order merely moves the inquiry to later in the process. So, instead of someone checking the box and employers making the first cut by removing everyone who checked the box, they will make the first cut of applicants, and THEN inquire into a criminal background.
 
clownboy said:
Oh c'mon. It isn't just classified positions that should be out of bounds, but also positions that deal with the very reason they spent prison time to begin with. Recidivism rate is already high enough, no need to push it higher by tempting these folks with precisely what sunk them to begin with.

Yeah, let's give that child molester who just got released a job with the federal after school program. :roll:
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Come on...stop being a clown. Obviously this order does not prevent a federal employer from eventually inquiring into and subsequently denying someone employment because of the nature of their criminal history compared to the job being offered. All this order does is shift the timing of that inquiry.
 
Mr Person said:
I think it should not be a general ban. Whether or not the government requires into criminal history should depend on the job. Further, the type of criminal history looked into should also vary by job.

Something like prior arrests for personal possession of marijuana should be ruled out entirely.


But do we really want the federal government unable to find out if someone was convicted of embezzlement or fraud when they're applying for a job that will give them discretion over use of federal money? Etc.
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Yep, this makes a lot of sense. Somebody here mentioned security clearances, but that comes with its own special investigation and background checks. If somebody is qualified, even with some small drug offense in their past, they should be given the chance to apply for the position. If the position requires extensive background investigations for a security clearance at some level, then let that weed them out.

An otherwise qualified candidate shouldn't automatically be excluded because of some mistake in their past.
 
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