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Texas Case Mulls if Home-school Kids Have to Learn Something

HowardBThiname said:
That statement is nonsensical.
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If you are complaining about the "p"; No it is nopt. Typos do not change what was said.
If not, your reply is nonsensical, as your reply (quoted below) was irrelevant.
Or would you have preferred I inserted a "the" in between "to" and "home"?
It wouldn't matter if I had, as the same thing is said with or without the "the", and as such your reply is again the one that is nonsensical.

The following statement was irrelevant to what goes on in home-schooling or "to home schooled being tested".
HowardBThiname said:
Many children in public schools don't do well on those tests. Teachers just keep passing them on and when they graduate they enter the workforce nearly illiterate.
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HowardBThiname said:
If individual states enact such laws, then fine, but just because you think something "should" happen does not mean others agree. Our Constitution is set up to protect individual rights from those in society that would take those rights away.
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1. What is your point exactly? No one said anyone had to agree, though it is obvious that there are those who do.
2. What "Right" are you speaking to? Please provide the constitutional language that guarantees you this so-called "Right".


HowardBThiname said:
Not even close.
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So sorry you are not for such excellent ideas.
They will come into effect at some point in the future.
 
Somerville said:
Interesting way you clipped the final portion of the paragraph you quoted. Here's all of it


The following paragraphs show us that Republican controlled state legislatures are apparently afraid of requiring home-schooled students be tested. If home-schooling is so great, why the reluctance to prove it works.


The Coalition for Responsible Home Education which is referred to in the article is promoting the idea of mandating standardised testing for home-schoolers.
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Not all homeschoolers follow the state curriculum and I'd think it shouldn't always be mandatory.
With the basics, yea.

Outside of that, I'm not convinced it's entirely necessary.
So even though I do agree with testing, on some level, I don't necessarily agree with it on every level.
 
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Excon said:
It wouldn't matter if I had, as the same thing is said with or without the "the", and as such your reply is again the one that is nonsensical.
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You made the assertion that homeschool kids should be subject to the same standardized testing that public school kids are subjected to. I pointed out that those tests are not used to pass or fail public school kids, they're just a measure by which taxpayers can assess progress. Testing homeschool kids would be pointless because of that. It would let others know how well homeschool kids are learning, but again, it would not be a regulatory measure.

1. What is your point exactly? No one said anyone had to agree, though it is obvious that there are those who do.
2. What "Right" are you speaking to? Please provide the constitutional language that guarantees you this so-called "Right".
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I'm talking about your earlier comment that society could pretty much do at it pleases. The Constitution was not set up to allow mob rule, which is that that would entail. Instead, it grants individual rights. That idea is spread throughout the entire Constitution - it is not limited to any small phrase.

So sorry you are not for such excellent ideas.
They will come into effect at some point in the future.
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If I see an "excellent idea" I'll be for it.

So far, none have been presented.
 
HowardBThiname said:
You made the assertion that homeschool kids should be subject to the same standardized testing that public school kids are subjected to. I pointed out that those tests are not used to pass or fail public school kids, they're just a measure by which taxpayers can assess progress. Testing homeschool kids would be pointless because of that. It would let others know how well homeschool kids are learning, but again, it would not be a regulatory measure.
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Your point was that many don't do well on those tests and are simply passed anyways.
That is irrelevant to those who are home schooled and as I made clear:
Because, as it is, there are no standards in place to assure the kids are educated to societies standards.

Testing would show they are.​

Maybe I should have used "ensure" instead of "assure", but that still indicates it would be a regulatory measure, as regulatory measures ensure what the outcome must be.


HowardBThiname said:
I'm talking about your earlier comment that society could pretty much do at it pleases. The Constitution was not set up to allow mob rule, which is that that would entail. Instead, it grants individual rights. That idea is spread throughout the entire Constitution - it is not limited to any small phrase.
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Society can do pretty much what it desires as it determines which rules it lives by. In case you didn't know, it can even change the constitution.
But to the actual point of that reply. There is no "Right" prohibiting what was being spoken about, which is why you were asked to supply this said "right".


HowardBThiname said:
If I see an "excellent idea" I'll be for it.

So far, none have been presented.
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That is your problem for not seeing it for the excellent idea that it is.
 
Excon said:
Because, as it is, there are no standards in place to assure the kids are educated to societies standards.
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Society does not set the standards. That's what I keep trying to explain to you.

Maybe I should have used "ensure" instead of "assure", but that still indicates it would be a regulatory measure, as regulatory measures ensure what the outcome must be.
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Right now, the tests do not regulate public school kids so they would also not regulate homeschooled kids.

Society can do pretty much what it desires as it determines which rules it lives by. In case you didn't know, it can even change the constitution.
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Incorrect. Only lawmakers can change the Constitution. Society can only elect those lawmakers.

But to the actual point of that reply. There is no "Right" prohibiting what was being spoken about, which is why you were asked to supply this said "right".
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You're obviously not an American - are you? You have no grasp of the purpose nor the wording of the Constitution. I already explained my comment but it appears to have gone over your head.


That is your problem for not seeing it for the excellent idea that it is.
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LOL
 
HowardBThiname said:
Society does not set the standards. That's what I keep trying to explain to you.
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1. Wrong.
2. The argument was that society can. And they can.
3. You haven't explained any such thing.


HowardBThiname said:
Right now, the tests do not regulate public school kids so they would also not regulate homeschooled kids.
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And again irrelevant to what was said. Your reply is lame as that is what was being advocated. Whether or not public school kids are regulated by such, matters not one bit to what I advocated. Or do you really not understand that?


HowardBThiname said:
Incorrect. Only lawmakers can change the Constitution. Society can only elect those lawmakers.
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Oy vey. That is society changing the constitution. Or do you really not understand that also?


HowardBThiname said:
You're obviously not an American - are you? You have no grasp of the purpose nor the wording of the Constitution. I already explained my comment but it appears to have gone over your head.
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1. You haven't explained anything, but have made clear you know not of what you speak.
2. You can't point to any section of the constitution to support your claim. That is because your claim is infirm. You simply do not know what you are talking about and are trying to transfer your failure to understand onto another. iLOL Sorry that doesn't fly.
 
I was home schooled by religious parents.

I graduated, got top scores on standardized tests, did well on the ACT, basically got a full ride to a private school for undergrad and I graduate with a doctorate in May. I currently hold a BS in molecular biology and also have some publications under my name related to the field (and should have about 2 more coming out soon enough). Yes there should be standards for home schooling (my parents had to register my courses with an umbrella school with approved curriculum in order for me to get a HS degree and not be considered truant), but I don't oppose home schooling. It saves the states money and can be a good education for kids. Too many have an axe to grind because many home school parents do so for religious reasons and they don't like that. Many public schools fail kids consistently and for some the schools they are zoned for are complete garbage. I'm fine with parents being required to go under an umbrella school, use approved curriculum, and have standardized testing. I think many have a bias against it due to the religious nature of some parents.
 
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digsbe said:
I was home schooled by religious parents.

I graduated, got top scores on standardized tests, did well on the ACT, basically got a full ride to a private school for undergrad and I graduate with a doctorate in May. I currently hold a BS in molecular biology and also have some publications under my name related to the field (and should have about 2 more coming out soon enough). Yes there should be standards for home schooling (my parents had to register my courses with an umbrella school with approved curriculum in order for me to get a HS degree and not be considered truant), but I don't oppose home schooling. It saves the states money and can be a good education for kids. Too many have an axe to grind because many home school parents do so for religious reasons and they don't like that. Many public schools fail kids consistently and for some the schools they are zoned for are complete garbage. I'm fine with parents being required to go under an umbrella school, use approved curriculum, and have standardized testing. I think many have a bias against it due to the religious nature of some parents.
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Good for you and your parents; however, the topic of this thread was, once upon a time, the FACT that the state of Texas does not require home-schooling parents to show that they are actually teaching their children the curriculum suggested by the state of Texas.

The FACT is, according to the linked news article, the parents of the children totally failed to educate their children in any acceptable fashion owing to their religious beliefs. Should that be seen as child abuse?
 
Somerville said:
Interesting way you clipped the final portion of the paragraph you quoted. Here's all of it


The following paragraphs show us that Republican controlled state legislatures are apparently afraid of requiring home-schooled students be tested. If home-schooling is so great, why the reluctance to prove it works.


The Coalition for Responsible Home Education which is referred to in the article is promoting the idea of mandating standardised testing for home-schoolers.
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The part left out was unnecessary to counter and prove your assertion that one did not exist.

Perhaps the section of article you quoted might be meaningful if it told us who this Coleman is. Without credentials, she is no more of an expert or authority on the subject than you or I.
 
DVSentinel said:
The part left out was unnecessary to counter and prove your assertion that one did not exist.

Perhaps the section of article you quoted might be meaningful if it told us who this Coleman is. Without credentials, she is no more of an expert or authority on the subject than you or I.
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Very funny, "The part left out was unnecessary". Yeah, sure, and if there were laws on the books but with no means to enforce them, then they would be just as useless as the Texas home-school curriculum. Texas has a curriculum but does not require parents to register the fact they are home-schooling or that they are following the curriculum.

Why don't you check for yourself. I provided the links which will give you the information. Fail to check and your argument about Ms Coleman's "credentials" is useless.
 
digsbe said:
I was home schooled by religious parents.

I graduated, got top scores on standardized tests, did well on the ACT, basically got a full ride to a private school for undergrad and I graduate with a doctorate in May. I currently hold a BS in molecular biology and also have some publications under my name related to the field (and should have about 2 more coming out soon enough). Yes there should be standards for home schooling (my parents had to register my courses with an umbrella school with approved curriculum in order for me to get a HS degree and not be considered truant), but I don't oppose home schooling. It saves the states money and can be a good education for kids. Too many have an axe to grind because many home school parents do so for religious reasons and they don't like that. Many public schools fail kids consistently and for some the schools they are zoned for are complete garbage. I'm fine with parents being required to go under an umbrella school, use approved curriculum, and have standardized testing. I think many have a bias against it due to the religious nature of some parents.
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No, I think many have a bias against it due to outcomes like this one in ****ty ass states who have no verification process for home schooling. I'm just as against some hippy morons teaching their kids that math is a tool for The Man to oppress you with their vaccines and chemicals, man.
 
Grand Mal said:
Do you consider that not teaching your kids anything is competing with public schools? I mean, I get it that there's a cult of ignorance and mediocrity among low-functioning conservatives but aren't these parents pushing it just a bit?
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We are not talking about not teaching your kids anything.The issues is home schooling.
 
jamesrage said:
We are not talking about not teaching your kids anything.The issues is home schooling.
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The OP was about a couple who 'homeschooled' but didn't teach their kids anything because the second coming of Jesus is so imminent that education is a waste of time.
Between that couple and those whose children excelled there's lots of levels. Somewhere is the line between what's acceptable and what isn't.
 
jamesrage said:
We are not talking about not teaching your kids anything.The issues is home schooling.
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You may not be "talking about not teaching your kids anything" but the thread title says what the topic is supposed to be.
Texas Case Mulls if Home-school Kids Have to Learn Something
We have a family of fundamentalist Christians failing to teach their children the basics required to operate in this world and suing the city of El Paso for anti-Christian bias and a "startling assertion of sweeping governmental power."
 
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