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The countdown for a Turkish civil war starts

Erdogan was in charge when accession negotiations began. Are you implying he and his party would be less popular if he had successfully steered Turkey into the EU?

No, but his policies have become more dictatorial over his terms. Subverting the police and justice system, shutting down those in the press that disagree, then starting another war with the Kurds, when not justified.
 
Yes, the anger and such ran quite deep. Not there now, but it takes time for a culture to change. I do think they have made strides towards acceptance. Farther ahead that perhaps 30 years ago. not sure on that though????

It is hard to say. The anger is certainly greater and much less hidden now, than it was 20 years ago.
 
No, but his policies have become more dictatorial over his terms. Subverting the police and justice system, shutting down those in the press that disagree, then starting another war with the Kurds, when not justified.

So you're saying Erdogan would have liberalised personally if he got Turkey into the EU?
 
So you're saying Erdogan would have liberalised personally if he got Turkey into the EU?
I think the issues with Erdogan stem from a policy of appeasement towards him and his party over a long time and a long period of human rights abuses, not only by the EU but the US too.

He got his way whether he played nice or played dirty.

The EU even refused to release a human rights report recently because it might 'anger Erdogan' and stop them appeasing Erdogan to try and 'stop the flow of refugees'.

We created Erdogan just as much as the Turks did.

Turkey shouldn't be allowed in the EU, without first releasing its thousands of journalists, little kids, and politicians that are currently rotting away in Turkish prisons.

In fact rather than appeasing Erdogan, nations should be taking action against Turkey to punish his government for its human rights abuses.

Instead we just continue to reward it for human rights abuses.

An elected majority doesn't give a nation the right to repress minorities and quash political dissent and opposition, and I guess no one in the EU or in the US government has got that memo.
 
It is hard to say. The anger is certainly greater and much less hidden now, than it was 20 years ago.

Then with Angela stating Germany would accept 800 K refugees only added fuel to that fire. Yes?
 
So you're saying Erdogan would have liberalised personally if he got Turkey into the EU?

No, I am saying that under him, Turkey has regressed.
Turkey at that time still had areas of concern to address.
Once in various EU court - human rights rulings become the law.
 
Then with Angela stating Germany would accept 800 K refugees only added fuel to that fire. Yes?

No doubt of that.
 
No, I am saying that under him, Turkey has regressed.
Turkey at that time still had areas of concern to address.
Once in various EU court - human rights rulings become the law.

It certainly has regressed, but I don't see how rewarding regression with membership would have solved societal dysfunction. Istanbul is not Turkey. I believe Germany has been too accommodating in point of fact - Merkel
gives him a visit a couple weeks before the election, membership talks are restarting in spite of this regression and an EU human rights publication was delayed until after the election.

Of course, in contrast to the UK, Canada and the U.S., the majority of Turkish immigrants in Germany vote AKP - which might help explain the soft approach taken.
 
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