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Russian airliner with 224 aboard crashes in Egypt's Sinai

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countryboy said:
What an utterly silly comment. From 31,000 feet? :roll:
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It's possible to glide aircraft to the ground from far higher altitudes than that. The space shuttle is one obvious example. As long as air is flowing over the wings, they develop a lifting force. The ratio of the horizontal distance an aircraft can travel for a given loss of altitude (glide ration) depends on the details of its design and to some extent on updrafts and downdrafts.
 
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So sad to hear about this. Now there needs to be a indepth investigation to find out for sure if this was a terrorist attack. Thoughts are with the people of Russia and the victims and their families
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
So sad to hear about this. Now there needs to be a indepth investigation to find out for sure if this was a terrorist attack. Thoughts are with the people of Russia and the victims and their families
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My favorite vacations are the ones I can drive to while everyone else is at work.

Camping.

Hiking.

Backpacking.

Hunting.

I hate airlines and the TSA.
 
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US Conservative said:
Links please.
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If you are to lazy to use google maybe you don't belong on a political forum.

A plea to all posters don't provide a link. He's trolling.
 
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Soho gator said:
If you are to lazy to use google maybe you don't belong on a political forum.

A plea to all posters don't provide a link. He's trolling.
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Im not sure why you can't substantiate your claim. Probably because its made up.
 
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US Conservative said:
Im not sure why you can't substantiate your claim. Probably because its made up.
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Trollers Gonna troll.

Wish you'd do it better.
 
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Riveroaks said:
Did what ??

:)
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Posted a link.

1) it's already been provided
2) it's an easy Google search.

He's trolling
 
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matchlight said:
It's possible to glide aircraft to the ground from far higher altitudes than that. The space shuttle is one obvious example. As long as air is flowing over the wings, they develop a lifting force. The ratio of the horizontal distance an aircraft can travel for a given loss of altitude (glide ration) depends on the details of its design and to some extent on updrafts and downdrafts.
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I realize that, but to compare the Sullenberger landing with a high altitude landing of an airbus is comparing apples and bowling balls. And then to go one step further, claiming it is "proof" this can be done, is not realistic.
 
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Apparently the descent was very rapid not conducive to a gluide.
 
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Soho gator said:
Never fly a Russian airplane.
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OMG, if that isn't so true. I once flew a Russian airline from Moscow to London.
 
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countryboy said:
I realize that, but to compare the Sullenberger landing with a high altitude landing of an airbus is comparing apples and bowling balls. And then to go one step further, claiming it is "proof" this can be done, is not realistic.
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I agree with that. If the rate of descent was 6,000 feet per minute--70-plus mph downward--that seems like a pretty steep glide. Does anyone know if it's been established why the pilot tried to land in the first place? It sounds like he was either trying to lose altitude very quickly for some reason, or was losing it because he had lost engine power and could not prevent it. It might be possible to glide a large airliner, but it would be hard without engine power to slow the rate of descent enough to keep from crushing the landing gear or breaking up the aircraft, even if a perfectly smooth surface like a dry lake could be found.

The Egyptians' claims that the jihadists in Sinai have only shoulder-launched missiles are a little too positive for me to believe. I don't know how they could be certain what kinds of weapons might have been hidden in an area that large and desolate. How hard would it be to hide a system the size of a medium truck or small tank somewhere in Sinai, especially when many of the local inhabitants are willing to help you and keep quiet about it?
 
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Too much speculation, too few facts.

Fact: The copilot told his daughter before the flight that he wished he'd been assigned another plane, because this one was poorly maintained and in poor condition.

Fact: Witnesses said the plane came down in pieces, and investigators state that the extensive debris field supports that scenario.

Fact: None of the pieces investigators have seen show any explosive residue or distinctive pitting reminiscent of a bomb at this time.

Fact: Both black boxes have been found, so somebody somewhere will have answers about what happened. Whether the rest of the world will be given those answers is debateable.

Fact: 224 souls perished, an immense tragedy and horrific loss of life no matter what the cause. My heart goes out to the grieving families. :(
 
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On the tv news tonight the Russian experts said they think the plane broke up in the air.

I do not agree.

Anything falling that far to the ground would have been smashed to confetti.

There were chunks of debris the size of RV trailers.

More consistent with a rough landing attempt.
 
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matchlight said:
I agree with that. If the rate of descent was 6,000 feet per minute--70-plus mph downward--that seems like a pretty steep glide. Does anyone know if it's been established why the pilot tried to land in the first place? It sounds like he was either trying to lose altitude very quickly for some reason, or was losing it because he had lost engine power and could not prevent it. It might be possible to glide a large airliner, but it would be hard without engine power to slow the rate of descent enough to keep from crushing the landing gear or breaking up the aircraft, even if a perfectly smooth surface like a dry lake could be found.

The Egyptians' claims that the jihadists in Sinai have only shoulder-launched missiles are a little too positive for me to believe. I don't know how they could be certain what kinds of weapons might have been hidden in an area that large and desolate. How hard would it be to hide a system the size of a medium truck or small tank somewhere in Sinai, especially when many of the local inhabitants are willing to help you and keep quiet about it?
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Sanai shares a border with Gaza, and is within smuggling range of Saudi Arabia as well. Anything can get through there.

As for the rapid decent, its SOP with a loss of cabin pressure as well-at altitude, even with O2 masks, its very dangerous and unconsciousness can occur quickly.

Yesterday, I heard on the radio that the aircraft was under 15 years old, fairly young for things like stress cracks to occur.
 
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Riveroaks said:
On the tv news tonight the Russian experts said they think the plane broke up in the air.

I do not agree.

Anything falling that far to the ground would have been smashed to confetti.

There were chunks of debris the size of RV trailers.

More consistent with a rough landing attempt.
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Things started going bad at cruising altitude. Radar says they put the plane in to a. deep dive. It started breaking up a couple of
Thousand feet of the ground. Terminal velocity is 120 mph. Totally consistent with big chunks of plane.
 
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