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Thousands of nonviolent offenders begin release, but difficulties remain

Montecresto said:
Well, reading through this thread, its apparent, as well as typical, conservatives don't want to let go of Americas distinction of being the nation with the highest incarceration rate. 5% of the worlds population, 23% of the incarcerations. The conservative idea of the "freest nation on earth"! Lol
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Well said. There is clearly an issue here and by looking to other nations for advice, or to simply see how their systems might work better than ours, is a better step forward than doing nothing at all.
 
le bouffon said:
Wander off, troll.
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D'oh! Said the person engaging is said activity.

I suggest you cease the personal attacks.
Capiche?


Address what was stated or move on.
 
le bouffon said:
Well said. There is clearly an issue here and by looking to other nations for advice, or to simply see how their systems might work better than ours, is a better step forward than doing nothing at all.
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Right. No person and no nation excels at everything. What's wrong with following an individual or nation in matters they've learned to excel at. The US btw, has been slipping in the categories in which we once were number one, like infinite mortality, education, standard of living, manufacturing, hell, until Reagan borrowed money like a drunken sailor, we were the biggest creditor nation, he turned us into the biggest debtor nation and there we've been ever since. And our incarceration rate is the highest and a troubling embarrassment, as well as reasonable cause for domestic concerns considering we've been seeing an increasing decline in civil liberties of late. In the same vain, that authoritarian pos PATRIOT ACT came from the right. The two individuals, both democrats that could have prevented it from even coming to a vote, both of whom had strong reservations about it, both coincidentally had their offices anthraxed, just them, and of course they immediately became supporters of the bill! Such is the authoritarian mind of the fringe right.
 
Deuce said:
Should speeding be punished with prison time?
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depends on what you doing. if you are doing 150 on the interstate weaving in and out of traffic running red lights etc.
then a day or so to think about what you did is perfectly fine.

that is why the court system exists.

speeding, reckless driving, reckless endangerment yea might be some time in the slammer.

however you have to really be breaking multiple laws otherwise you get a moving violation and only go to jail if you don't pay the ticket
or show up in court.
 
Summerwind said:
You made the claim, the onus is on you to back it up. Whining about backing up your claims speaks loudly about you, though, thank you for exposing yourself as such a whiner.
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LOL.

I've also grown accustomed to complaints from those who don't do anything. Thanks for not breaking that track record.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL. I've also grown accustomed to complaints from those who don't do anything. Thanks for not breaking that track record.
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Based on standard debate considerations, there was nothing that I should do. I made no claim, you did.
 
notquiteright said:
So how long has California been releasing criminals from state prisons? I suppose you mean those who have done their time or released on parole? I see where the crime rate in California has been steadily DROPPING since 1993 or so... :shock:
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You guessed wrong. You will need to rethink, and invent another excuse.

Or you could do a little bit of research yourself so you wouldn't have to dream things up. Just a thought.

I believe I already posted a link or two on this thread about California's early release program.
 
Kobie said:
I really dislike you.

I DID post facts ... years of downward-trending violent crime in California. You seem to think that a one-year blip in one location is indicative of a trend. Because you don't apparently understand how statistics work.
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I'm sorry you feel that way Kobie.

I've posted links to various counties, not just one location. I'm also well versed in statistical analysis. It's apparent you are not familiar with Event Analysis pertaining to trends.

Your previous links all contained data that did not include present data. That is your failing, not mine.

If you dislike me, don't comment to my posts. After all, I'm just words on a page.
 
Excon said:
Wrong.
Both statements were untrue.
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Both statements?

You think a non violent person could survive years in prison?

Following that, how would that now violent person put away that violence and re-adapt to society?
 
Summerwind said:
Based on standard debate considerations, there was nothing that I should do. I made no claim, you did.
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Based on standard debate considerations, if one doubts a claim, they provide reason to doubt it, other than the lazy "prove it" blather than is so frequently used. As I wrote, I've grown accustomed to the lazy responses.
 
Deuce said:
Establish causative link.
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From the article
Beck has attributed the rise to how LAPD classifies those crimes, an increase in domestic violence and alcohol-fueled street attacks.

The classification change came after a Times investigation last year found the department significantly understated the city's true level of crime when it misclassified nearly 1,200 serious violent crimes as low-level offenses during a recent one-year period.

Assistant Chief Jorge Villegas said the increase is not just in aggravated assaults but also robberies, particularly in the central area of Los Angeles.

Some of the crime, he said, is connected with the skid row and homeless population fighting over territory.
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TheDemSocialist said:
Nonviolent offenders..... Mostly low time drug charges....
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Doesn't mean they won't commit another crime. This was executed poorly. A mass release? Should have been gradual. Specifically to reduce the number of offenders returning and giving them some kind of exit program would be better than just "here. Sorry go. Don't screw up."

Ps

Non violent doesn't mean victimless.
 
ocean515 said:
Violent crime on the rise countywide in 2015

Your response wouldn't amount to much anyway Kobie. :peace
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From the article
While Palm Springs has seen a 50 percent increase in homicides from last year, the statistics are misleading, Lt. Mike Kovaleff with the Palm Springs Police Department said. If one looks at the concrete number of victims, there's only been an increase of one.

"If you look at it that way, it sounds like a big increase," Kovaleff said. "But it's really just going from two to three."

Other than the skew in homicide statistics, Palm Springs police say violent crime is down 10 percent, which they believe can be attributed to good police work.
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Mason66 said:
Both statements?

You think a non violent person could survive years in prison?

Following that, how would that now violent person put away that violence and re-adapt to society?
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Yes, both statements.
You do not have to be violent to survive prison.
So what "now violent person" are you speaking to?
 
Excon said:
Yes, both statements.
You do not have to be violent to survive prison.
So what "now violent person" are you speaking to?
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Really, you don't think you have to be violent to survive prison? Are you talking about Club Fed?
 
ocean515 said:
Based on standard debate considerations, if one doubts a claim, they provide reason to doubt it, other than the lazy "prove it" blather than is so frequently used. As I wrote, I've grown accustomed to the lazy responses.
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Well I guess that's one way to be immature about it. On the other hand, one who is mature would realize that the true laziness is in the one that makes a claim without a link to back it up. I am guilty of doing thusly, sure I am from time to time, but I'm not so disingenuous as to suggest that is someone else's shortfall.
 
Mason66 said:
Really, you don't think you have to be violent to survive prison? Are you talking about Club Fed?
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I am talking about the majority of prison in the US.
 
Summerwind said:
Well I guess that's one way to be immature about it. On the other hand, one who is mature would realize that the true laziness is in the one that makes a claim without a link to back it up. I am guilty of doing thusly, sure I am from time to time, but I'm not so disingenuous as to suggest that is someone else's shortfall.
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Now I'm immature because I've asked someone to provide a reason to doubt a claim rather than demand they prove it? :doh

I guess name calling ranks up in the wise old sage category. Too funny.
 
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