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Student's violent arrest caught on video; officer under investigation[W:894]

Yea, there are cops who shouldn't be cops, and who should be going to jail. But, for every one of those, there are a bunch who do great things that never make the news. An example that I saw on Channel 11 this evening (yea, this one DID make the news) makes me realize that things are not always as bad as they seem - A marine, who is a single father, got a scholarship to Texas A&M. When he got there to start class, he had run out of money. So he parked his van in the parking lot and he and his 6 year old son went to sleep for the night. He was awakened by a cop knocking on his window and telling him that he broke the law by camping out there. But the cop also was a marine, and got some other cops together, and they pooled their money and put him up in a hotel room. As it turned out, they only needed to put him up for one day. His VA money came through the next day, and he was ready to begin classes.

So yea, some cops are punks. But yea, many more are not. As for the cop who went after the girl in the chair, he has no business being a cop. He does belong in a uniform, though, and there should be a number on it. But don't judge all cops by the actions of a few.
 
Amadeus said:
What would that matter? For what it's worth,


I did not catch that.
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From the article:

CNN affiliate WIS reported the student was asked to leave the classroom. When she refused, the officer was called in, according to WIS.The officer, identified as Richland County Sheriff's Deputy Ben Fields, can be heard on cell phone video telling the girl to get up from her desk.
"You're either going to come with me, or I'm going to make you," he says. When she remains seated, he tells her, "Come on, I'm going to get you up," before picking her up from the desk and throwing her to the floor.
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You said,
"I think the girl's infraction was using a cell phone in class."
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I wonder how you came to that conclusion. Is there more information on this?
It's not known what led up to the incident Monday at Spring Valley High School in Columbia.
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I assume you read the article. You quoted from it.

CNN and NBC have been caught editing video for drama's sake so it matters. People demanded that the abortions videos were not valid because they were edited. It seems the same would apply here. I would also like to know how this situation evolved.

That all said it seems excessive. The police department got on it as soon as it happened and the officer is on administrative leave while they investigate.
 
Amadeus said:
This is really a symptom of a much larger problem. Which is that police training in America is ****. Otherwise there wouldn't be an epidemic of police escalating situations the moment they arrive on the scene.
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So you have a point but it isn't valid because you are going for the drama and to do that you have to ignore the facts. Got it.
 
Amadeus said:
South Carolina student's violent arrest caught on video - CNN.com



I'm having a hard time understanding the justification for throwing this student around like a rag doll. The officer went from 0 to 100 in escalation for no valid reason. Even if you have to physically remove the student, this is just beyond the pale.
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Of course you have a hard time understanding this - you'd perhaps prefer that the student simply be humoured and coddled and everyone else in the class and school just accommodate her.

From what I understand, she acted up in class - the teacher asked her to leave and go to the office - she refused - the vice-principal came and asked her to go to the office - she refused - the principal came and asked her to go to the office - she refused - the school, unable to get the child to behave called the police to have her physically removed - the officer asked her to leave - she refused - she was then physically removed from the classroom - case closed.

This is simply an example of how respect for authority and respect for civilized society is foreign to many young people and people with your take on these things are just encouraging them. I'm sure the teacher, principal, and other staff in the school were delighted to have the little bitch removed so they could get back to educating the other young people who came to learn.
 
Captain Adverse said:
It matters if the reported act that brought him to the room involved violence. That typically increases a responding officer's reactions.



Then LOOK at it again, you can see that he tried to take her left arm and she jerks it up at him and pulls it away. Right after that he flips her chair over.
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That's a pretty low level of "resisting." It seems the threshold of "resisting" has become quite weak lately.

Eric Garner, the guy who was killed during an incident with cops in NYC last year, supposedly "resisted." That "resistance" consisted of lamely waving his arm to shoo away the first cop who tried to grab him. A plainclothes officer immediately put Garner in a chokehold that violated NYPD regulations, and about five officers dogpiled him. He later died due to chest compression.

Yanking your arm away is not a level of "resistance" that justifies a cop going full Hulk on someone.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Of course you have a hard time understanding this - you'd perhaps prefer that the student simply be humoured and coddled and everyone else in the class and school just accommodate her.

From what I understand, she acted up in class - the teacher asked her to leave and go to the office - she refused - the vice-principal came and asked her to go to the office - she refused - the principal came and asked her to go to the office - she refused - the school, unable to get the child to behave called the police to have her physically removed - the officer asked her to leave - she refused - she was then physically removed from the classroom - case closed.

This is simply an example of how respect for authority and respect for civilized society is foreign to many young people and people with your take on these things are just encouraging them. I'm sure the teacher, principal, and other staff in the school were delighted to have the little bitch removed so they could get back to educating the other young people who came to learn.
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You forgot to address the most critical part of this discussion: was the force used justified in response to the situation? Lets see if you can answer this honestly. I'm betting you can't.
 
So would anyone here respond this way because a child won't move?

Just asking.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Of course you have a hard time understanding this - you'd perhaps prefer that the student simply be humoured and coddled and everyone else in the class and school just accommodate her.

From what I understand, she acted up in class - the teacher asked her to leave and go to the office - she refused - the vice-principal came and asked her to go to the office - she refused - the principal came and asked her to go to the office - she refused - the school, unable to get the child to behave called the police to have her physically removed - the officer asked her to leave - she refused - she was then physically removed from the classroom - case closed.

This is simply an example of how respect for authority and respect for civilized society is foreign to many young people and people with your take on these things are just encouraging them. I'm sure the teacher, principal, and other staff in the school were delighted to have the little bitch removed so they could get back to educating the other young people who came to learn.
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I'm kind of curious how removal by force is ever justified for not moving. If I sit in a chair and refuse to move how can you justify physical force on my person?
 
NonoBadDog said:
You said, I wonder how you came to that conclusion. Is there more information on this?
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It was based on an early report from a guest on Don Lemon and/or Anderson Cooper. It wasn't a conclusion, it was an "I think", which I clearly stated.
 
A teenage girl for whatever reason was tossed around by a Police Officer like she was a Raggedy Ann doll and the response by some here is "you should always respect authority." Now I'm just left asking "why?" Why should a law enforcement officer who feels it is within his duty to powerbomb an underage girl be given the same respect as a cop who does his job without knocking out women like he's Bill Cosby?
 
That was completely ****ing insane. Anyone making excuses for this should be ashamed.

There is absolutely no excuse for an unarmed, passive person to be basically slammed into furniture and the floor like this. How completely ****ing disgusting.
 
Henrin said:
I'm kind of curious how removal by force is ever justified for not moving. If I sit in a chair and refuse to move how can you justify physical force on my person?
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We don't know the events that led up to this. That's why.

We shouldn't be making rash decisions and knee jerk reactions until we know the full details.
 
Amadeus said:
South Carolina student's violent arrest caught on video - CNN.com

I'm having a hard time understanding the justification for throwing this student around like a rag doll. The officer went from 0 to 100 in escalation for no valid reason. Even if you have to physically remove the student, this is just beyond the pale.
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Best I can tell from the videos in that article, I would agree that the officer's response was way over the top and unjustified. This will get one hell of a backlash.
 
JC Callender said:
There should probably be a universally acceptable method of handling someone who's resisting arrest, and I think it should involve a video (even if body cam) and a tazer, or some other method of getting the cuffs on them without physically beating them up, if possible. You can't just allow someone to resist arrest.
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How is that possible? Every situation is different.
 
Kobie said:
That's a pretty low level of "resisting." It seems the threshold of "resisting" has become quite weak lately.

Eric Garner, the guy who was killed during an incident with cops in NYC last year, supposedly "resisted." That "resistance" consisted of lamely waving his arm to shoo away the first cop who tried to grab him. A plainclothes officer immediately put Garner in a chokehold that violated NYPD regulations, and about five officers dogpiled him. He later died due to chest compression.

Yanking your arm away is not a level of "resistance" that justifies a cop going full Hulk on someone.
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Soooo, after three or four school officials asked her to leave, and the officer asked her to leave, what should have been done?
 
Henrin said:
So would anyone here respond this way because a child won't move?

Just asking.
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What should he have done?

To be honest, you really can't tell much from the video. Not a good view, and no context of what happened before the incident. Was the girl injured in any way?
 
Henrin said:
I'm kind of curious how removal by force is ever justified for not moving. If I sit in a chair and refuse to move how can you justify physical force on my person?
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Really? So the little brat should just be allowed to disrupt the class indefinitely? WTF?
 
Amadeus said:
He's like a 250 tank, she's an unarmed student sitting in a chair. He calmly walks over and throws her across the room.



The only reaction by the girl is in reaction to the officer grabbing her. I wouldn't call that resisting. She did not swing at him, and she was not even given a chance to put her hands behind her back.
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He did not 'throw her accross the room', but tossed her and her chair over backwards.

Still inappropriate, but not as bad as you indicated.
 
SMTA said:
He did not 'throw her accross the room', but tossed her and her chair over backwards.

Still inappropriate, but not as bad as you indicated.
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He did. After he pushed her chair over backwards, he flung her out of the chair and across the floor to the front of the classroom. My problem, aside from the obvious here, was with the teacher. He was just standing there, as an adult figure in front of those kids, allowing this brute to physically abuse one of their classmates and/or friends. The whole thing really made me sick.
 
SMTA said:
He did not 'throw her accross the room', but tossed her and her chair over backwards.

Still inappropriate, but not as bad as you indicated.
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Incorrect. He did both.
 
I am always surprised that we have police officers in the classroom and then we are surprised that they acted like a policeman and not the vice principle. If you ask the police to deal with a situation, expect them to bring order as fast as they can. That can look ugly. If you wanted the person in the chair to be have a logical discord and a deescalation of the situation, maybe a trained educational professional would have been better. We should not be putting police officers in these situations without the proper training. I am not sure if this police officer has received special training for being in that environment, but that has not been the case for most.
 
I think the real problem that people are ignoring here.. is the fact that there are police in a school at all.
 
Amadeus said:
You forgot to address the most critical part of this discussion: was the force used justified in response to the situation? Lets see if you can answer this honestly. I'm betting you can't.
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I have no problem answering it, and all my posts are honest, thank you very much.

The force used was justified - the student was given ample opportunity to remove herself from the seat/desk, provided by numerous people, and she chose to defy all those with the authority to have her removed. When the police officer came to facilitate her removal, AT THE REQUEST OF THE SCHOOL, he again gave her an opportunity to leave peacefully and without incident - she refused. As a result, she was forcefully removed from the seat/desk and the classroom. Perhaps next time she'll understand that she's not at home disobeying her parents and she has no authority to disobey the lawful demands of her school administration and then the local police. If she doesn't understand and doesn't learn her lesson, I'm betting she'll have a wonderful life in and out of prison and perhaps death at the hands of someone who isn't interested in her special sense of entitlement.

Now, you give it a try - honestly tell us how you'd have this student removed from the classroom so that the teacher, class and school can get back to the business of teaching/learning?
 
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