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Student's violent arrest caught on video; officer under investigation[W:894]

I have a question then, how should the following incidents have been handled?





Should these individuals just be given a time out, and an administrator talk to them to try and get them to behave better? Or should they be forceably removed from the classrooms?
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm guessing Lady P's children never did and never would act in this manner. She's a decent, respectful, kind and considerate person and I'm sure she instilled those traits and virtues in all her children over the years both through her words and lessons and through her actions as a fine adult role model.

Your comment to her is disgusting.
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And so kids who are fine adult role models always have respectful kind and courteous children?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Are you postulating that children don't learn from their parents and adult role models in their lives?
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I am postulating that sometimes a perfect parental role model isn't enough.

Do you disagree?
 
year2late said:
I am postulating that sometimes a perfect parental role model isn't enough.

Do you disagree?
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The problem here is that once a child reaches the age of 18, they generally go their own way.

Consider this. My wife and I are both about as law and order and anti-drug as you can get. But when my oldest son turned 18, he decided that he loved pot more then anything else. Could not keep and hold a job, so to make money he generally stole.

He knows our opinion on both drugs and crime, but he did what he wanted, reguardless of how he was raised. That is why he is doing 3-5 in State Prison at this time.

My 2 younger sons? Both attending college, very law and order, very anti-drug.

Parrenting and environment does have a great deal to do with it, but not always.
 
Oozlefinch said:
The problem here is that once a child reaches the age of 18, they generally go their own way.

Consider this. My wife and I are both about as law and order and anti-drug as you can get. But when my oldest son turned 18, he decided that he loved pot more then anything else. Could not keep and hold a job, so to make money he generally stole.

He knows our opinion on both drugs and crime, but he did what he wanted, reguardless of how he was raised. That is why he is doing 3-5 in State Prison at this time.

My 2 younger sons? Both attending college, very law and order, very anti-drug.

Parrenting and environment does have a great deal to do with it, but not always.
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I wholeheartedly agree.



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year2late said:
I am postulating that sometimes a perfect parental role model isn't enough.

Do you disagree?
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Well, if it was perfect, it would be enough.

If you're implying that some children are born evil or that some children are incapable of learning proper manners and respect for others, yes, I'd disagree, unless you're talking about children who are mentally damaged in some way. Normal children aren't born as spoiled bitches or brats, they're developed that way.

Are you suggesting that the young woman who's the subject of this thread is so mentally damaged that no amount of "perfect" parenting would have kept her from being a spoiled bitch in that classroom?
 
Oozlefinch said:
The problem here is that once a child reaches the age of 18, they generally go their own way.

Consider this. My wife and I are both about as law and order and anti-drug as you can get. But when my oldest son turned 18, he decided that he loved pot more then anything else. Could not keep and hold a job, so to make money he generally stole.

He knows our opinion on both drugs and crime, but he did what he wanted, reguardless of how he was raised. That is why he is doing 3-5 in State Prison at this time.

My 2 younger sons? Both attending college, very law and order, very anti-drug.

Parrenting and environment does have a great deal to do with it, but not always.
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I agree - and I'm sorry to hear about your first son and hopefully he'll remember where and what he came from now that he has time to think about it. But you're talking about what a person does, of their own free will, once reaching adulthood. I'm guessing your son wasn't misbehaving in your home before 18 and I'm guessing the other influences in his life - his friends and their family environments - had a lot to do with his adult life choices. Year2late wants us to believe that some children are born evil and there's nothing that any parent or role model can do to change that so you can't blame parents if children act out.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I agree - and I'm sorry to hear about your first son and hopefully he'll remember where and what he came from now that he has time to think about it. But you're talking about what a person does, of their own free will, once reaching adulthood. I'm guessing your son wasn't misbehaving in your home before 18 and I'm guessing the other influences in his life - his friends and their family environments - had a lot to do with his adult life choices. Year2late wants us to believe that some children are born evil and there's nothing that any parent or role model can do to change that so you can't blame parents if children act out.
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As far as I know, there are genetic codes that are strongly correlated to violent and criminal types of behavior.
 
joG said:
As far as I know, there are genetic codes that are strongly correlated to violent and criminal types of behavior.
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Are you suggesting that these genetic codes, if they exist, suddenly appear in a child, unrelated to his/her parents? You may be referring to impaired mental capacity - the wiring in the brain can be defective - and I have said that impacts the ability of a parent to properly educate a child or an individual to control his/her own actions. I've seen nothing that indicates that's the case with the young lady who's the subject of this thread.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Are you suggesting that these genetic codes, if they exist, suddenly appear in a child, unrelated to his/her parents? You may be referring to impaired mental capacity - the wiring in the brain can be defective - and I have said that impacts the ability of a parent to properly educate a child or an individual to control his/her own actions. I've seen nothing that indicates that's the case with the young lady who's the subject of this thread.
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As to the young lady I don't really think we have the information. I was only commenting on a general observation in your entry.
 
joG said:
As far as I know, there are genetic codes that are strongly correlated to violent and criminal types of behavior.
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As far as YOU know? Well, I'm convinced.
 
Kobie said:
As far as YOU know? Well, I'm convinced.
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Well, research reports and some basic stuff from a couple of informal seminars at university. What I meant it is not my profession, but an area of tertiary interest to parts of my profession
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, if it was perfect, it would be enough.

If you're implying that some children are born evil or that some children are incapable of learning proper manners and respect for others, yes, I'd disagree, unless you're talking about children who are mentally damaged in some way. Normal children aren't born as spoiled bitches or brats, they're developed that way.

Are you suggesting that the young woman who's the subject of this thread is so mentally damaged that no amount of "perfect" parenting would have kept her from being a spoiled bitch in that classroom?
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What I am suggesting is that you made a statement that sounded absolute. That a good parent could not produce a "bad" child.

You do not seem as absolute now.
 
year2late said:
What I am suggesting is that you made a statement that sounded absolute. That a good parent could not produce a "bad" child.

You do not seem as absolute now.
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Well, that's your view and your twist on my comments. I absolutely believe that parenting is definitely predictive of a child's social interactions outside of the home. You seem to disagree, believing that parenting is irrelevant to how a child develops and approaches societal norms.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, that's your view and your twist on my comments. I absolutely believe that parenting is definitely predictive of a child's social interactions outside of the home. You seem to disagree, believing that parenting is irrelevant to how a child develops and approaches societal norms.
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Oozlefinch shows a perfect example. Great parenting, two kids thriving, one not.

The example proves my point.

Great parenting helps. But not 100 percent predicitive.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree - and I'm sorry to hear about your first son and hopefully he'll remember where and what he came from now that he has time to think about it. But you're talking about what a person does, of their own free will, once reaching adulthood. I'm guessing your son wasn't misbehaving in your home before 18 and I'm guessing the other influences in his life - his friends and their family environments - had a lot to do with his adult life choices. Year2late wants us to believe that some children are born evil and there's nothing that any parent or role model can do to change that so you can't blame parents if children act out.
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To many people, some crimes are "victimless", and therefore should not be considered crimes at all. Drugs, prostitution, petty theft, the list goes on and on. And these enabelers often convince others that they should be able to do whatever they want, because what they are doing is not wrong, nobody is hurt.

But they are still crimes, and when people do them and are caught they are treated like criminals. As they should be.

But yea, some people are indeed born evil, I have no doubt of that.
 
year2late said:
Great parenting helps. But not 100 percent predicitive.
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You can also have a child who raised under horrible conditions and by bad parents, and grow up to be perfectly normal and excel in life.

Anybody that tries to find others to blame for things essentially is trying to absolve bad bahavior as "not their fault".

These are the blame shifters. Everybody and everything is to blame, except the one that caused their own misfortunes.
 
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