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Largest health insurer on Colorado's Obamacare exchange collapses

ACA isn't UHC, rather the attempt to create a public health insurance system within a private healthcare system, so not surprised it has problems. Though the ACA is still a good improvement due to the requirement for health providers to not deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions, as well as allowing people up to mid 20s to be on their parents healthcare plan.*

*Which is useful for students.
 
Post-ACA my family's medical insurance premium has doubled with deductibles going up. We are a lower-middle class family by income and it's really hurt other payers as well.

I sincerely hope we get a new president who's goal isn't their failed liberal agenda and is going to do something about making middle-class living more affordable.
 
Post-ACA my family's medical insurance premium has doubled with deductibles going up. We are a lower-middle class family by income and it's really hurt other payers as well.

I sincerely hope we get a new president who's goal isn't their failed liberal agenda and is going to do something about making middle-class living more affordable.

I think this sums it up best
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please no more helping me.
 
Nice to know you got your hips fixed by sponging off every other Canadian exempting yourself. Do they buy your groceries too? If not, why not?

In prosperous, First-World countries, medical care is a right of citizenship.
 
In prosperous, First-World countries, medical care is a right of citizenship.

The US was the most prosperous nation until Obama started fixing us and we dropped to 6th in 2008 and further since.
 
The US was the most prosperous nation until Obama started fixing us and we dropped to 6th in 2008 and further since.

Wow, he had some awesome power to drop us to 6th before he even took office. :roll:
 
Wow, he had some awesome power to drop us to 6th before he even took office. :roll:

Or between 10th and 11th since he too office. I wouldn't blame him exclusively, but sure...
 
In prosperous, First-World countries, medical care is a right of citizenship.

Its not a right in the US and we are the most prosperous nation in the history of the world. So much for your theory.

Furthermore, health care cannot properly be called a 'right' under any circumstance. Well, except by those who don't know what rights are.
 
Its not a right in the US and we are the most prosperous nation in the history of the world. So much for your theory.

Furthermore, health care cannot properly be called a 'right' under any circumstance. Well, except by those who don't know what rights are.

You can call it what you like, but we treat healthcare as a right even here, by requiring at a minimum that any ED accepting federal dollars treat all comers. And we have Medicare, for the old, and Medicaid, for the poor. And we spend nearly twice as much as countries who do have UHC. So the question really isn't so much whether everyone in the U.S. should have access to care - just about everyone agrees they should - but how to best pay for it.
 
Post-ACA my family's medical insurance premium has doubled with deductibles going up. We are a lower-middle class family by income and it's really hurt other payers as well.

I sincerely hope we get a new president who's goal isn't their failed liberal agenda and is going to do something about making middle-class living more affordable.

This is complete anecdotal nonsense.

The ACA has curtailed the rampant healthcare costs that are truly to blame for ridiculous pricing. Your ignorance of how horrible the system was before ACA betrays you.
 
This is complete anecdotal nonsense.

The ACA has curtailed the rampant healthcare costs that are truly to blame for ridiculous pricing. Your ignorance of how horrible the system was before ACA betrays you.

Do you even work in healthcare?

The ACA set up exchanges as expensive subsidies for the poor, mandated that others have more costly coverage, and benefited the insurance companies. It did some good things with enhanced quality measures for hospitals, but for the consumer it did little and if anything made things worse.

One reason our healthcare spending is crazy is because our population is unhealthy and makes poor self-care choices. When you have higher incidence of heart disease, diabetes, COPD, etc. That costs money. When people don't take their meds appropriately and continue to be obese and smoke that also poses problems. We spend tons and tons of money on preventable illness and the fault largely lies with the population that makes these choices.
 
Its not a right in the US and we are the most prosperous nation in the history of the world. So much for your theory.

Furthermore, health care cannot properly be called a 'right' under any circumstance. Well, except by those who don't know what rights are.

The free market has failed so horribly that we spend nearly 17% of GDP on healthcare whereas the average OECD country spends about 9% of GDP.

Our total public expenditures on healthcare (medicare/medicaid/VA) is about 8% of GDP. If our country were of average efficiency, we could basically pay for everyone's healthcare with the currently earmarked public funds for healthcare already. That's absolutely pathetic.
 
Do you even work in healthcare?

The ACA set up exchanges as expensive subsidies for the poor, mandated that others have more costly coverage, and benefited the insurance companies. It did some good things with enhanced quality measures for hospitals, but for the consumer it did little and if anything made things worse.

No, i don't personally profit off of our ridiculously corrupt healthcare industry so i have no problem fixing it.
 
The free market has failed so horribly that we spend nearly 17% of GDP on healthcare whereas the average OECD country spends about 9% of GDP.

Our total public expenditures on healthcare (medicare/medicaid/VA) is about 8% of GDP. If our country were of average efficiency, we could basically pay for everyone's healthcare with the currently earmarked public funds for healthcare already. That's absolutely pathetic.
If you think we have a free market system in the US for health care you don't know what you are talking about.
 
If you think we have a free market system in the US for health care you don't know what you are talking about.

Right, no developed country has a "free market" for healthcare, and it's because for a market to work, there must be complete rationing based on ability to pay - that is, no money, you die, sorry. That and other known failures of a 'free market' for healthcare....

Bottom line is there is a reason even the otherwise most "free" developed economies in the world also provide some kind of UHC.
 
Private insurance systems are unsustainable. Medicare for ALL needs to be the policy.
 
If you think we have a free market system in the US for health care you don't know what you are talking about.

Oh, what competes with the healthcare industry?

It's almost like they have a monopoly on a necessary good that everyone needs. I only wish it was regulated the way that utilities are...
 
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