ISIS lost most of its ammunition & heavy vehicles in Russian airstrikes – military

According to intercepted communications, the militants suffer from shortages of ammunition, small arms and grenade guns. Several commanders allegedly say they will withdraw their units unless their ammunition needs are satisfied.

“Russian airstrikes resulted in the elimination of the majority of ISIS ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment,” the Defense Ministry tweeted.

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~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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My guess is the Russians have better intel on the ground due to an alliance with Assad's forces. Also we're probably also more reticent to put the right people on the ground to act as spotters. And the Russians probably care less about collateral damage.

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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It isn't remotely true. That is a ridiculous headline. Let's Occums Razor this:

1. Thousands upon thousands of US, French, British, Jordanian, and Turkish air strikes have not accomplished this feat despite killing thousands of Islamist militants.

2. A few score Russian air strikes, the bulk of which have been focused on areas outside the Islamic States major areas of operations, have accomplished this fear.

3. They are lying.

Hint, it's number three.

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The U.S. sent 50 tons of ammunition to "rebels".

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS[/color if the headline is even 10% true

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1. As I tell anyone who starts down the path to conspiracy theory land. It's not that the government isn't evil. It's that we aren't competent. Don't ascribe to masterminds what can just as easily be ascribed to bumblers.

2. No, we haven't been hitting ISIS as hard as we could have been.

3. Because we have no strategy for dealing with them. It's not that we want them powerful enough to provide a challenge to Assad, it's that we don't know what we want at all.

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Sherman123 said:

It isn't remotely true. That is a ridiculous headline. Let's Occums Razor this:

1. Thousands upon thousands of US, French, British, Jordanian, and Turkish air strikes have not accomplished this feat despite killing thousands of Islamist militants.

2. A few score Russian air strikes, the bulk of which have been focused on areas outside the Islamic States major areas of operations, have accomplished this fear.

3. They are lying.

Hint, it's number three.

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#3 is likely.

That, however, doesn't mean that #1 isn't also likely.


How effective would a targeting program that focused on taking out (say) Regimental Commanders be at destroying the US Military's ability to project power?

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Sherman123 said:

It isn't remotely true. That is a ridiculous headline. Let's Occums Razor this:

1. Thousands upon thousands of US, French, British, Jordanian, and Turkish air strikes have not accomplished this feat despite killing thousands of Islamist militants.

2. A few score Russian air strikes, the bulk of which have been focused on areas outside the Islamic States major areas of operations, have accomplished this fear.

3. They are lying.

Hint, it's number three.

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Of course they are exaggerating hence the 10% true statement in the OP

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RT isn't even a reliable news source why's this a topic?

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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Mostly weddings, family gatherings and some aid centers on the side.

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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Yeah who reported this? The Russians themselves? Yeah I put about as much credibility on them right now as I do, well, someone calling me on the phone telling me I've won a million dollars.

On a side note: Is RT really considered MSM at this point? Perhaps I'm not clear what that means...

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Yeah, I gotta question the source.

RT is a Russian, state-funded news service.

My guess is this there is a tiny bit of truth to it and they just blew it out of proportion.

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Sherman123 said:

It isn't remotely true. That is a ridiculous headline. Let's Occums Razor this:

1. Thousands upon thousands of US, French, British, Jordanian, and Turkish air strikes have not accomplished this feat despite killing thousands of Islamist militants.

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Yes that is what they have been telling us.

2. A few score Russian air strikes, the bulk of which have been focused on areas outside the Islamic States major areas of operations, have accomplished this fear.

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A "few" is not exactly true, and being "focused outside areas where the Islamic State" is... also not exactly true. Again this is what we have been told, by the above mentioned sources.

3. They are lying.

Hint, it's number three.

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Yes both sides are most likely lying.

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Who's reporting this ?

Pravda ?? The Russia State media ? Seriously folks ?

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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Most likely, all those tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists claiming that ISIS (like AQ) were creatures of our own making (thank you CIA), were actually right.

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PeteEU said:

Yes that is what they have been telling us.



A "few" is not exactly true, and being "focused outside areas where the Islamic State" is... also not exactly true. Again this is what we have been told, by the above mentioned sources.



Yes both sides are most likely lying.

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My bet is that the US is lying while Russia is exaggerating.

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Henry David said:

My bet is that the US is lying while Russia is exaggerating.

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Or at least both are waging a miss-information campaign to piss each other off.

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PeteEU said:

Or at least both are waging a miss-information campaign to piss each other off.

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True, but it seems the Russian strikes have angered the US because the Russian strikes have hurt OUR guys.

I think Russia is far more interested in keeping Assad in power than it is in playing propaganda games with the US, though certainly such games cannot be avoided to some degree or another.

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Lord Tammerlain said:

~https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia

If the headline is only 10% true, I have to wonder what the US/Canada and other countries airstrikes have been doing for the last year or so.

I expect the US military has not been hitting ISIS hard as the US government wanted Assad out more then to stop ISIS if the headline is even 10% true

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We've been out to grow the war, not stop it. Too many friends of government get rich with an Infinity War to not strive for.

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Henry David said:

True, but it seems the Russian strikes have angered the US because the Russian strikes have hurt OUR guys.

I think Russia is far more interested in keeping Assad in power than it is in playing propaganda games with the US, though certainly such games cannot be avoided to some degree or another.

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The Russia airstrikes have not hurt "our guys", but helped Assad and that is the core problem for the US. The whole mess in Syria has nothing to do with Syria, or rebels, but the Russian base(s) and it always has been. ISIS and other radicals have just exploited the geo-political situation.

"our guys" were never our friends. They were the enemy of our enemy and served a purpose of getting rid of Assad, which would mean that the Russians most likely would lose their military bases in Syria.. which was the goal from the start and has been for decades.

It is in many ways the Crimea all over again and the mentality of the cold war and frankly going back centuries. The Russians have always wanted warm water ports. That is what Crimea was about, now and 200+ years ago. Syria is the same issue. Syria is the only base Russia has in the Med. Keeping that base is key for Russian geo-political policy, just as it is key for the US to get rid of the base.

You can bet that after Syria there will be other flash points, purely based on the US vs Russia bull****. I am guessing in Africa where money talks.

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Sherman123 said:

It isn't remotely true. That is a ridiculous headline. Let's Occums Razor this:

1. Thousands upon thousands of US, French, British, Jordanian, and Turkish air strikes have not accomplished this feat despite killing thousands of Islamist militants.

2. A few score Russian air strikes, the bulk of which have been focused on areas outside the Islamic States major areas of operations, have accomplished this fear.

3. They are lying.

Hint, it's number three.

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Actually, the US really hasn't been doing that many airstrikes. You had airmen complaining that they couldn't bomb ISIS fighters. (US military pilots complain hands tied in ‘frustrating’ fight against ISIS | Fox News)

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PeteEU said:

The Russia airstrikes have not hurt "our guys", but helped Assad and that is the core problem for the US. The whole mess in Syria has nothing to do with Syria, or rebels, but the Russian base(s) and it always has been. ISIS and other radicals have just exploited the geo-political situation.

"our guys" were never our friends. They were the enemy of our enemy and served a purpose of getting rid of Assad, which would mean that the Russians most likely would lose their military bases in Syria.. which was the goal from the start and has been for decades.

It is in many ways the Crimea all over again and the mentality of the cold war and frankly going back centuries. The Russians have always wanted warm water ports. That is what Crimea was about, now and 200+ years ago. Syria is the same issue. Syria is the only base Russia has in the Med. Keeping that base is key for Russian geo-political policy, just as it is key for the US to get rid of the base.

You can bet that after Syria there will be other flash points, purely based on the US vs Russia bull****. I am guessing in Africa where money talks.

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I respectfully disagree. I think out motivation for regime change in Syria and other places is simply instability. That is, I do NOT think our actions in Syria or elsewhere (except for Ukraine) are motivated by anti-Russian animus. I think we are merely trying to destabilize the Mideast so that our empire can be expanded.

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Henry David said:

I respectfully disagree. I think out motivation for regime change in Syria and other places is simply instability. That is, I do NOT think our actions in Syria or elsewhere (except for Ukraine) are motivated by anti-Russian animus. I think we are merely trying to destabilize the Mideast so that our empire can be expanded.

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Well I respectfully disagree fully with your assessment. The US needs enemies to justify its existence as a super power and its military spending. Instability in the Middle East is not good enough to justify the military spending. ISIS and AL Q are shadowy organisations spread over several countries and are hard to define. It is hard to justify having 19 aircraft carriers and millions of persons under arms to take out a bunch of Toyota driving fanatics in a far off desert.

Now having Russia as the big bad enemy or China, is so much easier to not only define but justify massive military spending. This is how it always has worked.

And lets face it, there are many in the American right (and some European right wingers) that have been desperate for an easily defined enemy, and there is no better than one that still is imprinted in the minds of anyone over 30.. due to decades of propaganda.

Now you can of course argue that the Russians are acting like the Soviets.. but then you can also argue that the Americans are acting like the Soviets of old as well..expanding their sphere of influence and domination and so on. And we are back to the old cold war mentality again and the core reason for the cluster**** called Syria and Iraq.

I dont think for one second that Bush and his cronies were thinking of instability when they went into Iraq.. they were thinking about money and getting troops on the border of Iran... a very easily defined enemy. Now, of course in their delusional state, they never ever thought that the Iraqi people might not want to be freed by the Americans, and that Iran might just have a much bigger influence in the region that they expected. So it ended up to be a total cluster**** in Iraq, leading to instability.. instead of the wanted military beachhead in a wanted attack on Iran. But that is of course just speculation.. after all, US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.. with Iran being the nice ham between the bread..

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I wonder why our airstrikes are so inefficient. Russians surely don't say the complete truth but still...

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CherryPanda said:

I wonder why our airstrikes are so inefficient. Russians surely don't say the complete truth but still...

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Russia’s fighter jets are, for now at least, conducting nearly as many strikes in a typical day against rebel troops opposing the government of President Bashar al-Assad as the American-led coalition targeting the Islamic State has been carrying out each month this year.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/w...0151015&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=38429379&_r=0

I believe the above from the NYT can help provide some of the reasons

Russia in a day is performing the same number of airstrikes as the US coalition does in a month

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Can anyone confirm this? I am considering purchasing stock in Toyota. I see new US orders.