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People on Social Security and Medicare get screwed again!

You mean like the electrical grid and the interstate highway system. Both started in my parents' generation, but constructed and completed by the Boomers.

Yawn. Nobody gets credit for finishing a project someone greater than them started. "The Greatest Generation" gets all the credit for the creation of both. Meanwhile the Baby Boomers refuse to maintain either and are actually stiffling and standing in the way of modernizing either. You may have heard of all the talk about upgrading these fantastic works of infrastructure that Baby Boomers demand be allowed to crumble.
 
Yawn. Nobody gets credit for finishing a project someone greater than them started. "The Greatest Generation" gets all the credit for the creation of both. Meanwhile the Baby Boomers refuse to maintain either and are actually stiffling and standing in the way of modernizing either. You may have heard of all the talk about upgrading these fantastic works of infrastructure that Baby Boomers demand be allowed to crumble.

The Baby Boomers are ironically the most spoiled generation and complain about the "entitled millennials."
 
Telling everybody, "Hey, there's no inflation", the government has decided to not to provide any cost-of-living increase for people who live on Social Security after all! They cite the fact that gas prices are down, as though older people are the ones who drive a lot and have long commute times, expenses, etc. Do you suppose any of the administration clowns who came out with this nonsense have been in a grocery store or a hardware store recently..? No inflation? Really?!

Social Security cost-of-living adjustment unlikely for 2016

Unfortunately, when you sign up for Social Security you >> MUST << also sign up for Medicare, and Medicare Part B costs ARE increasing in 2016: Answers to readers' questions on Social Security COLAs and Medicare

The net-net of it? Exactly what we were warned would happen in the 2012 campaign -- that people on Social Security and Medicare would be squeezed to death -- mostly by healthcare costs....

Looks like the GOP is ****ing over the elderly yet again.
 
Telling everybody, "Hey, there's no inflation", the government has decided to not to provide any cost-of-living increase for people who live on Social Security after all! They cite the fact that gas prices are down, as though older people are the ones who drive a lot and have long commute times, expenses, etc. Do you suppose any of the administration clowns who came out with this nonsense have been in a grocery store or a hardware store recently..? No inflation? Really?!
Social Security cost-of-living adjustment unlikely for 2016
Unfortunately, when you sign up for Social Security you >> MUST << also sign up for Medicare, and Medicare Part B costs ARE increasing in 2016: Answers to readers' questions on Social Security COLAs and Medicare
The net-net of it? Exactly what we were warned would happen in the 2012 campaign -- that people on Social Security and Medicare would be squeezed to death -- mostly by healthcare costs....
The Biggest Screwees:

If you are receiving SS, you do NOT have to pay the increase: your Medicare cost is Frozen by law.
BUT, if you are Taking Medicare but not SS - the 'smart' who are not costing the govt money by waiting to collect until they're 70.. (and getting more)
You get CREAMED.
As only a small percent of the SS ELIGIBLE, the '70 waiters', have to pay app 50% increases to make up for the vast bulk who are already taking SS and ergo have an auto-freeze on Med costs.
 
The baby boomers are getting what they deserve. They had access to more wealth than any generation on the planet has ever seen and squandered it all on baubles and trinkets. They followed that up by making it HARDER for future generations to live the American dream. Cry me a river.

Lots of heavy generalizing here...yawn...
 
Still have many decades left before I retire, but will be doing it in a country with UHC and lower housing costs, so fortunately this won't effect me. This is pretty much what the top '1%' of America do anyway, as most are a bunch of hypocrites.

But only when they aren't conning Republicans into the 'American Dream', they retire to other countries so they don't have to live in the social-economic chaos they helped create AKA not have to face their victims or deal with 'the serfs' as Citigroup call Americans.

Exactly. I pity the cons their gullibility.
 
It is a bit more complicated than you imply. The problem lies in the way that the conumer price index (CPI) is calculated - specifically that it requires adjustment for the typical spending habits of seniors.

There has been talk (but not much else) of creating just such a thing called the CPI-E. As you have acurately noted, seniors have different spending habits than urban workers, the current basis for calcualting the CPI, becaue they commute less and spend more on medical goods and services.

https://books.google.com/books?id=p...VQ5iACh2o8gz3#v=onepage&q=cpi vs cpie&f=false

Obviously, if the Medicare "contribution" cost increases and the Social Security (SS) COLA does not increase at least enough to cover that then folks receiving SS are getting screwed. Since Medicare is an insurance cost it does not get any consderation in the CPI cost of living at all.



How BLS Measures Price Change for Medical Care Services in the Consumer Price Index

I happen to be writing on the subject, and I am curious about your last statement. Insurance cost is not in the basket. I am not sure that anyone is getting screwed. This year the CPI fell - and no one is getting a decrease. Yes, the CPI may have been lower than CPI-E, but no one is complaining when the increases are too large. Is there a reason to believe that over time the CPI is a faulty measure?
 
I happen to be writing on the subject, and I am curious about your last statement. Insurance cost is not in the basket. I am not sure that anyone is getting screwed. This year the CPI fell - and no one is getting a decrease. Yes, the CPI may have been lower than CPI-E, but no one is complaining when the increases are too large. Is there a reason to believe that over time the CPI is a faulty measure?

What does "CPI" include? What does "CPI" exclude? Moreover, what about an intelligent focus on demographic behavior?

Do retired people typically enjoy mammoth savings because gasoline costs less than a year ago? Do old people typically drive much of anywhere except in a circle that takes them from home to the doctor's office, to the pharmacy, to the grocery store, and then back home again? Demographically, do they buy lots of houses, and cars, second houses and second cars...?

The fact is that, thanks at least in part to the socialistic fraud of Obamacare, health insurance costs and related costs are skyrocketing. And Medicare is not being increased in 2016 to help absorb the damage. Thanks, Obama! Oh, and thanks also to a cowardly Congress who was conveniently on yet another "recess" when this rotten betrayal became known. A lot of seniors are Conservative, and they were responsible for providing a large portion of the votes you RINOs received. You think for one minute that 80,000,000 voting Baby Boomers are incapable of understanding who stood by and did NOTHING while they were being screwed?!
 
What does "CPI" include? What does "CPI" exclude?
Consumer Price Index (CPI)


Moreover, what about an intelligent focus on demographic behavior?
There has been some discussion of using "chained CPI," which changes the basket of goods more rapidly, and tries to guess what purchasing behavior will change as prices fluctuate. E.g. if the price of meat goes up, chained CPI assumes people will buy less meat and more beans, and uses that in its calculations.

Ironically, senior advocacy groups hate chained CPI, because it winds up showing lower rates of inflation than the standard CPI.


Do retired people typically enjoy mammoth savings because gasoline costs less than a year ago?
They enjoy roughly the same savings as everyone else. E.g. they may spend less on gas, but more on heating and cooling, which are other forms of energy that have declined in cost.


Do old people typically drive much of anywhere except in a circle that takes them from home to the doctor's office, to the pharmacy, to the grocery store, and then back home again?
Seriously? Do you think everyone who collects SS is old and bent?

People usually start collecting SS around 65-67 years old. These people do often work, drive, shop and leave their homes.


Demographically, do they buy lots of houses, and cars, second houses and second cars...?
CPI is based on housing and transportation costs. It's not just the cost of buying a second home or a third car.


The fact is that, thanks at least in part to the socialistic fraud of Obamacare, health insurance costs and related costs are skyrocketing.
:roll:

Under the ACA, the growth of the per capita cost for health care is slowing, including for Medicare. It also puts in cost controls for Medicare. Total spending on health care has dropped in the past few years.

I.e. despite a desire to blame 20-year-old issues on Obama, the ACA is not causing health care costs to spike.


And Medicare is not being increased in 2016 to help absorb the damage. Thanks, Obama!
:roll:

Existing laws determine that the Medicare premiums will not increase for 70% of recipients in 2016. The White House is trying to avoid whacking the remaining 30% of recipients with a big increase, but Republicans don't want to spend the money.

Or perhaps you want senior citizens, on fixed incomes, to pay more for their health care?


Oh, and thanks also to a cowardly Congress who was conveniently on yet another "recess" when this rotten betrayal became known.
What are you talking about?

Inflation statistics are not secret. They're published every month. Congress had plenty of notice on all of these factors.

Plus, the issue isn't the recess. It's that the Republicans do not want to spend federal dollars on Medicare.


A lot of seniors are Conservative, and they were responsible for providing a large portion of the votes you RINOs received. You think for one minute that 80,000,000 voting Baby Boomers are incapable of understanding who stood by and did NOTHING while they were being screwed?!
Who is getting "screwed" here?

For years, energy prices caused inflation. Yet if we take your position seriously, seniors ought to have received smaller increases during those years, as they allegedly don't use as much energy. Did we see seniors complaining that the COLA adjustment in those years was too big?

A moment ago, you were proposing that seniors on a fixed income pay more for Medicare. Maybe that is the right thing to do, but how is isolating 70% of seniors from a cost increase quality as "getting screwed?"
 
It is a bit more complicated than you imply. The problem lies in the way that the conumer price index (CPI) is calculated - specifically that it requires adjustment for the typical spending habits of seniors.

There has been talk (but not much else) of creating just such a thing called the CPI-E. As you have acurately noted, seniors have different spending habits than urban workers, the current basis for calcualting the CPI, becaue they commute less and spend more on medical goods and services.
The CPI-E was calculated from 1997 to 2009. It was experimental and never official. The main problem was it used the same basket and outlets as the CPI-U and CPI-W but just different weights. Well, that's not good enough because shopping patterns are different for the elderly as well. And the sample for the Consumer Expenditure Survey and the Telephone Point of Purchase Survey are small enough that focusing on a subset like the elderly becomes unreliable.
 
The CPI-E was calculated from 1997 to 2009. It was experimental and never official...
It was also very close to CPI-W.

BLS paper from 2012 points out that from 1982 to 2011, CPI-E rose 3.1%, while CPI-W and CPI-U rose 2.9%. That trend might be shifting; from 2006 to 2011, CPI-E was 2.3% whereas CPI-W was 2.4%.

I.e. if we were using CPI-E now, Social Security still wouldn't get a cost of living increase this year.

Consumer Price Index for the elderly : The Economics Daily : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


The main problem was it used the same basket and outlets as the CPI-U and CPI-W but just different weights. Well, that's not good enough because shopping patterns are different for the elderly as well. And the sample for the Consumer Expenditure Survey and the Telephone Point of Purchase Survey are small enough that focusing on a subset like the elderly becomes unreliable.
Sample size might be too small, but I don't see a problem with weighting it differently. E.g. it recognizes lower expenditures on categories like transportation and food, and higher expenditures on medical care. Weighting takes those variant shopping patterns into consideration.
 
It was also very close to CPI-W.

BLS paper from 2012 points out that from 1982 to 2011, CPI-E rose 3.1%, while CPI-W and CPI-U rose 2.9%. That trend might be shifting; from 2006 to 2011, CPI-E was 2.3% whereas CPI-W was 2.4%.

Consumer Price Index for the elderly : The Economics Daily : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics



Sample size might be too small, but I don't see a problem with weighting it differently. E.g. it recognizes lower expenditures on categories like transportation and food, and higher expenditures on medical care. Weighting takes those variant shopping patterns into consideration.

Because the sample size was small, the weights would not be as accurate. But the main problem was the outlets. The elderly don't shop in the same stores.
 
I happen to be writing on the subject, and I am curious about your last statement. Insurance cost is not in the basket. I am not sure that anyone is getting screwed. This year the CPI fell - and no one is getting a decrease. Yes, the CPI may have been lower than CPI-E, but no one is complaining when the increases are too large. Is there a reason to believe that over time the CPI is a faulty measure?

A problem exists when the CPI based on costs for group A is used to set benefit levels for group B. Another problem is that wages, the basis for SS contributions, are not rising as fast as the retirement benefit levels are no matter what basis is used for the CPI.

When the Medicare deduction from a SS retirement check rises faster than the COLA then the result is a net decrease in the value of that retirement plan. Since the CPI ignores any increase in Medicare premiums that is what screws over those that must pay them out of their SS benefits.
 
I have yet to meet a person on disability that could not work a toll booth, much less get a job of some significance. I would start with those gaming the system, and it may well even create more government jobs. At first glance, some of the more progressively minded might jump at this solution, but sadly, I feel after they really examine this idea, they would oppose it hysterically. Still I will toss it out there, because my idea is as simple as it is brilliant. Why not hire people to monitor those who are insisting they are indeed disabled, and then prosecute them for the frauds they are? I mean we have police patrolling are streets, why not put some cops on this beat?
 
But B is a subset of A.

Yet they are a tiny minority (under 20%?) and have rather unique spending habits. It is not that hard to collect data and then analyze each subset's differences. Even the folks writing PPACA realized that seniors have much (300%?) higher medical care costs.
 
Because the sample size was small, the weights would not be as accurate. But the main problem was the outlets. The elderly don't shop in the same stores.
Meaning what? People over 65 don't go to Walmart or supermarkets?

It's not like the BLS excludes senior citizens from the CEX. Roughly 20% of the US is now over 65. And of course, shopping is only a part of expenditures.

I don't think we're talking about substantial enough differences to justify a separate measure.

Or, let's say we design a whole new measure, just for seniors - let's call it "CPI-E-Prime." What do you think will happen if CPI-E-Prime is 0.5% below CPI-W? We'll hear the exact same bitching and moaning and gnashing of teeth, the same accusations of inaccuracy, the same allegations of bias and error, all basically because seniors on a fixed income are accustomed to annual increases in benefits payments.
 
Yet they are a tiny minority and have rather unique spending habits. It is not that hard to collect data and then analyze each subset's differences. Even the folks writing PPACA realized that seniors have much (300%?) higher medical care costs.
CPI-E does recognize that, and still does not vary significantly from CPI-W.
 
CPI-E does recognize that, and still does not vary significantly from CPI-W.

It does not vary much because it does not count things very well. Rest assured that medical care costs including insurance premiums cost seniors far more than younger folks. Seniors also spend far more on services (like lawn care and home maintenance) simply because they are often no longer physically able to DIY anymore.
 
Rest assured that medical care costs including insurance premiums cost seniors far more than younger folks.
CPI-E assumes that seniors spend double that of CPI-W, and nearly double the amount on medical costs than CPI-U.

Given that seniors are roughly 20% of respondents of CPI-U, and their additional costs are pushing CPI-U costs up, that sounds reasonable to me.


Seniors also spend far more on services (like lawn care and home maintenance) simply because they are often no longer physically able to DIY anymore.
What is it with all these people, assuming that the second you hit age 65, you become completely infirm? ;)

Anyway. Higher home maintenance costs are reflected in higher housing costs. They also spend less on transportation, food, apparel etc., all reflected in CPI-E.

Not to mention that it's not like the BLS is pulling numbers out of their asses. They're using it based off of survey data, actually asking people what they do and using that as the basis for CPI-E.

None of these measures are perfect, but I see no reason -- or evidence -- to declare that CPI-E is woefully inaccurate.
 
A problem exists when the CPI based on costs for group A is used to set benefit levels for group B. Another problem is that wages, the basis for SS contributions, are not rising as fast as the retirement benefit levels are no matter what basis is used for the CPI.

When the Medicare deduction from a SS retirement check rises faster than the COLA then the result is a net decrease in the value of that retirement plan. Since the CPI ignores any increase in Medicare premiums that is what screws over those that must pay them out of their SS benefits.

My basic point is that cost of living is an abstract concept that will not fit any model. It varies by many variables. CPI is what it is.

Some will tell you that the system uses the wrong measure of buying power. It is definitely possible. There are probably dozens of measures for the change in buying power. They vary by where you live, what you buy, marital status, age, among other things. There is no right answer.

CPI may be the wrong answer, and changes may be necessary. The fact that CPI showed that benefits shouldn’t be increased in 2015 is not the right reason.

Any reaction.
 
Consumer Price Index (CPI)



There has been some discussion of using "chained CPI," which changes the basket of goods more rapidly, and tries to guess what purchasing behavior will change as prices fluctuate. E.g. if the price of meat goes up, chained CPI assumes people will buy less meat and more beans, and uses that in its calculations.

Ironically, senior advocacy groups hate chained CPI, because it winds up showing lower rates of inflation than the standard CPI.



They enjoy roughly the same savings as everyone else. E.g. they may spend less on gas, but more on heating and cooling, which are other forms of energy that have declined in cost.



Seriously? Do you think everyone who collects SS is old and bent?

People usually start collecting SS around 65-67 years old. These people do often work, drive, shop and leave their homes.



CPI is based on housing and transportation costs. It's not just the cost of buying a second home or a third car.



:roll:

Under the ACA, the growth of the per capita cost for health care is slowing, including for Medicare. It also puts in cost controls for Medicare. Total spending on health care has dropped in the past few years.

I.e. despite a desire to blame 20-year-old issues on Obama, the ACA is not causing health care costs to spike.



:roll:

Existing laws determine that the Medicare premiums will not increase for 70% of recipients in 2016. The White House is trying to avoid whacking the remaining 30% of recipients with a big increase, but Republicans don't want to spend the money.

Or perhaps you want senior citizens, on fixed incomes, to pay more for their health care?



What are you talking about?

Inflation statistics are not secret. They're published every month. Congress had plenty of notice on all of these factors.

Plus, the issue isn't the recess. It's that the Republicans do not want to spend federal dollars on Medicare.



Who is getting "screwed" here?

For years, energy prices caused inflation. Yet if we take your position seriously, seniors ought to have received smaller increases during those years, as they allegedly don't use as much energy. Did we see seniors complaining that the COLA adjustment in those years was too big?

A moment ago, you were proposing that seniors on a fixed income pay more for Medicare. Maybe that is the right thing to do, but how is isolating 70% of seniors from a cost increase quality as "getting screwed?"

I didn't say that seniors should pay more for Medicare; on the contrary, with all health care costs continuing to increase year-over-year, and with prescription medicine costs increasing relentlessly, I have asked why -- NOW -- of all times, why would the goverment choose NOW to refuse to provide SS with a cost-of-living-increase at exactly the time that Medicare costs are going to increase for a huge number of people...?

But we've had plenty of money for "subsidies" to give to Obamacare recipients, which, when all the air bubbles are mashed out of it, is just another form of bald-faced WELFARE. It amazes me how often people have to be reminded that whe ever they get "free stuff" from the government, SOMEONE had to pay for it! Simple wealth-redistributrion: somebody can't pay for the health care he wants, so, he pays "X", and the government credits him with a "subsidy" to make up the difference. How is that fair?!

Gasoline? Well, you can make the arguement that a small portion of wealthy, retired people get in their land-yacht motor homes and travel all around the country, enjoying all the bountiful gasoline savings. And you would be right... for a microscopically insignificant percentage of the total retired population. Or, yes, if some people are still having to drive a lot to commute to work while they're in their sixties, then they're also no doubt overjoyed at being able to save about a buck a gallon. How many of them are there compared to people who crash into retirement the moment they turn 62? Or far younger, the instant they can find some bleeding-heart Democrat social worker who'll kiss the paper giving them Social Security "disability" for life...? Have you been paying attention to the plummeting labor force participation rate in this country?!

You can't have it both ways. If the government is going to jack up Medicare costs, then there needs to be an off-set. Most of the people are folks who don't work any more, for a whole host of reasons! They can't do like the Federal Reserve does and just "print" as much imaginary money as they want!
 
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I didn't say that seniors should pay more for Medicare; on the contrary, with all health care costs continuing to increase year-over-year, and with prescription medicine costs increasing relentlessly, I have asked why -- NOW -- of all times, why would the goverment choose NOW to refuse to provide SS with a cost-of-living-increase at exactly the time that Medicare costs are going to increase for a huge number of people...?
*sigh*

They didn't "choose." The law states that Social Security cost of living adjustments are pegged to CPI-W. Since there was essentially no inflation in the required time period, including medical costs, Social Security does not need a COLA adjustment. Thus, one is not scheduled.

The only way to increase the benefits payment is for Congress to explicitly decide that "even though Social Security is designed to be a fixed income, and increases are only supposed to keep pace with inflation, we're gonna give all these old people some free money anyway!" I seriously doubt Republicans would agree to such a plan. I also see no reason to ignore decades of data just because seniors are accustomed to getting a raise each year.

Bonus! Medicare costs aren't skyrocketing. They are growing slower than in the past, in no small part due to ACA features like penalizing hospitals for Medicare readmissions, rewarding better patient outcomes, etc. In fact, in real (inflation-adjusted) dollars, Medicare costs per capita declined 6.67% between 2011 and 2014.


It amazes me how often people have to be reminded that whe ever they get "free stuff" from the government, SOMEONE had to pay for it! Simple wealth-redistributrion: somebody can't pay for the health care he wants, so, he pays "X", and the government credits him with a "subsidy" to make up the difference. How is that fair?!
Erm....

Uh....

So you want to give seniors free money for no reason, and you try to convince people to do this by... complaining that people don't understand that when you give people free money, someone has to pay for it?

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Gasoline? Well, you can make the arguement that a small portion of wealthy, retired people get in their land-yacht motor homes and travel all around the country, enjoying all the bountiful gasoline savings.....
Or, you can understand economics, and the CPI-E.

It isn't just gas that is cheaper, it's energy and petroleum products. Any use of energy, with the sole exception of flying (long story), costs less. Heating oil, electricity, the gas used to transport food to the supermarket, are now all cheaper. All those little plastic doo-dads and chemicals, all cheaper.

And as I outlined above, the experimental CPI-E does recognize that seniors spend less on transportation, apparel and food; and spend nearly twice as much on medical expenses as the general population. And yet, over the course of well over a decade of data, CPI-E is nearly the same as CPI-W.

I.e. seniors spend less on some things, more on others, and it basically evens out.


Have you been paying attention to the plummeting labor force participation rate in this country?!
Yep. Probably more than you, as I know that LFPR started dropping around 2001, that male LFPR started dropping in the 1970s, that female LFPR started increasing in the 1970s. After 2001, both male and female LFPR started dropping. It got a little bump in 2008, but by then the trend was already well established.

Retirement is probably not a big part of the LFPR declines yet. More likely is women going to college in larger numbers (students are out of the workforce usually), and more women staying home to care for children and family members (as wages tend to be low, and paid care is expensive).


You can't have it both ways. If the government is going to jack up Medicare costs, then there needs to be an off-set.
News flash! There already IS an offset for Medicare premiums when there is no COLA adjustment.

As I mentioned already, Medicare premiums are frozen for 70% of seniors. That includes Part A and B, and kicks in specifically because there's no COLA adjustment. (And again, per-capita costs fell between 2011 and 2014.)

Anyway. The remaining 30% will get whacked with an increase. These are people with high incomes, who are on Medicare Part B but don't collect Social Security (i.e. they have some other income), or are new to Medicare in 2016. That is, unless Congress acts, and *COUGH* gives seniors a bunch of Free Stuff.

This is all a result of pre-existing, pre-written laws that stipulate what happens when there is no inflation, or a deflation.
 
I didn't say that seniors should pay more for Medicare; on the contrary, with all health care costs continuing to increase year-over-year, and with prescription medicine costs increasing relentlessly, I have asked why -- NOW -- of all times, why would the goverment choose NOW to refuse to provide SS with a cost-of-living-increase at exactly the time that Medicare costs are going to increase for a huge number of people...?

But we've had plenty of money for "subsidies" to give to Obamacare recipients, which, when all the air bubbles are mashed out of it, is just another form of bald-faced WELFARE. It amazes me how often people have to be reminded that whe ever they get "free stuff" from the government, SOMEONE had to pay for it! Simple wealth-redistributrion: somebody can't pay for the health care he wants, so, he pays "X", and the government credits him with a "subsidy" to make up the difference. How is that fair?!

Gasoline? Well, you can make the arguement that a small portion of wealthy, retired people get in their land-yacht motor homes and travel all around the country, enjoying all the bountiful gasoline savings. And you would be right... for a microscopically insignificant percentage of the total retired population. Or, yes, if some people are still having to drive a lot to commute to work while they're in their sixties, then they're also no doubt overjoyed at being able to save about a buck a gallon. How many of them are there compared to people who crash into retirement the moment they turn 62? Or far younger, the instant they can find some bleeding-heart Democrat social worker who'll kiss the paper giving them Social Security "disability" for life...? Have you been paying attention to the plummeting labor force participation rate in this country?!

You can't have it both ways. If the government is going to jack up Medicare costs, then there needs to be an off-set. Most of the people are folks who don't work any more, for a whole host of reasons! They can't do like the Federal Reserve does and just "print" as much imaginary money as they want!

Go get rid of the completely pointless $20,000,000,000 agriculture subsidies then we'll talk about letting healthcare patients die to cut costs.
 
Go get rid of the completely pointless $20,000,000,000 agriculture subsidies then we'll talk about letting healthcare patients die to cut costs.

Better yet, let's completely overhaul the U. S. Tax Code so that ALL of the tax shelters, tax loopholes, exemptions, exceptions, etc., are totally removed! We wouldn't have to do anything else -- just that! Suddenly, with a genuinely fair tax system in place, and with even a mild series of reductions in our legendary "fraud, waste, and abuse" that both Republicans AND Democrats have been guilty of since the 1920's, we wouldn't have to screw people who have gotten too old and messed-up by life to work any more.
 
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