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UK scientists start Stem Cell trial of potential Blindness Cure

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What is happening to that "sinful" tissue "Dr Mengele" Planned Parenthood and others are selling?

UK scientists start Stem cell trial of Potential Blindness Cure
By Kate Kelland | Reuters – Tue, Sep 29, 2015
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-scient...ial-blindness-230927645--finance.html#gOmQmaQ

LONDON (Reuters) - The first patient has been treated in Britain in a pioneering trial of a new treatment co-developed by Pfizer and derived from embryonic stem cells designed for patients with a condition that can cause blindness.

Specialists at London's Moorfields Eye Hospital said the operation, described as "successful", was the first of 10 planned for participants in a trial of the treatment for a disease called 'wet' age-related macular degeneration (AMD).

The trial will test the safety and efficacy of transplanting eye cells known as retinal pigment epithelium, which have been derived from Embryonic stem cells. Stem cells are the body's master cells, the source of all other cells. Scientists who support the use of embryonic stem cells say they could transform medicine, providing treatments for blindness, juvenile diabetes or severe injuries.
But critics object to them because they are harvested from human embryos.

This trial involves surgeons inserting a specially engineered patch behind the retina to deliver the treatment cells to replace diseased cells at the back of the eye. The first surgery was Successfully performed on a patient last month, Moorfields said in a statement on Tuesday, and "there have been no complications to date".

"The patient wishes to remain anonymous, but the team hope to determine her outcome in terms of initial visual recovery by early December," it added. Retinal surgeon Lyndon Da Cruz, who is performing the operations, said he hoped many patients "will benefit in the future from transplantation of these cells."

Macular degeneration accounts for almost 50% of all cases of blindness or vision loss in the developed world.
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What is happening the that "sinful" tissue "Dr Mengele" Planned Parenthood is selling?

UK scientists start Stem cell trial of Potential Blindness Cure
By Kate Kelland | Reuters – Tue, Sep 29, 2015
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-scient...ial-blindness-230927645--finance.html#gOmQmaQ

Being that you put it in your first sentence - There is a law against selling fetal tissue in the US, and there should be, because money corrupts and puts an emphasis on profit rather than research. What PP did was bad - they sold fetal tissue - even if it was only for "cost of shipping" or what ever equivocations they made, it's still selling fetal tissue. If they want to donate the tissue, great, just don't sell it, break the law, and then try to act like you did nothing wrong.

Now, that said...

I think that fetal stem cell research could bring about so many medical advances that we as a people should advance this research to it's fullest extent. I fully support fetal stem cell research and application into medical treatment.
 
Being that you put it in your first sentence - There is a law against selling fetal tissue in the US, and there should be, because money corrupts and puts an emphasis on profit rather than research. What PP did was bad - they sold fetal tissue - even if it was only for "cost of shipping" or what ever equivocations they made, it's still selling fetal tissue. If they want to donate the tissue, great, just don't sell it, break the law, and then try to act like you did nothing wrong.

Now, that said...

I think that fetal stem cell research could bring about so many medical advances that we as a people should advance this research to it's fullest extent. I fully support fetal stem cell research and application into medical treatment.

So you are against all forms of campaign finance, and wish to repeal Citizens United, I assume?
 
Being that you put it in your first sentence - There is a law against selling fetal tissue in the US, and there should be, because money corrupts and puts an emphasis on profit rather than research. What PP did was bad - they sold fetal tissue - even if it was only for "cost of shipping" or what ever equivocations they made, it's still selling fetal tissue. If they want to donate the tissue, great, just don't sell it, break the law, and then try to act like you did nothing wrong.

Now, that said...
I think that fetal stem cell research could bring about so many medical advances that we as a people should advance this research to it's fullest extent. I fully support fetal stem cell research and application into medical treatment.
Point taken.
So perhaps that law should be changed as well.
It's costly to keep and maintain the tissue rather than dispose of it.
They should be remunerated for that expense.
There's no better alternative to selling it, and a Non-profit using the money for women's healthcare, etc, and the tissue going to Mindblowingly important research such as the above.

FYI: This Huge Science/Health breakthru string was moved to 'abortion'.
 
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So you are against all forms of campaign finance, and wish to repeal Citizens United, I assume?

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Point taken.
So perhaps that law should be changed as well.
It's costly to keep and maintain the tissue rather than dispose of it.
They should be remunerated for that expense.
There's no better alternative to selling it, and a Non-profit using the money for women's healthcare, etc, and the tissue going to Mindblowingly important research such as the above.

FYI: This Huge Science/Health breakthru string was moved to 'abortion'.

Last, first... ah, never mind.

Okay, that said...

I wouldn't oppose a research grant to cover the costs associated with tissue preservation. I do still have a problem with exchanging of a fee between the source facility and the receiving facility - which could still lead to problems. There should be funding, regulations and inspections to cover the costs and procedures, then the chance of unethical misuse, fraud, waste and abuse, if at least the appearance of such, would be eliminated.
 
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The potential of stem cell research is mind-blowing. If it weren't for all the ideological roadblocks thrown up by anti-abortion activists, who knows how far we could have come in the past couple of decades? I firmly believe that in the next few decades, scientists somewhere in the world will have developed miraculous cures for some of the most hideous diseases humans face, including ALS, Parkinsons, Altzheimers, etc. I also firmly believe none of those scientists will be based in the USA.
 
The potential of stem cell research is mind-blowing. If it weren't for all the ideological roadblocks thrown up by anti-abortion activists, who knows how far we could have come in the past couple of decades? I firmly believe that in the next few decades, scientists somewhere in the world will have developed miraculous cures for some of the most hideous diseases humans face, including ALS, Parkinsons, Altzheimers, etc. I also firmly believe none of those scientists will be based in the USA.

The religious have more often than not been roadblocks to scientific development. Notice my word of the use "the religious" and not religion. Sure, some religious figures have been important to scientific knowledge and promoting it, but on average, the human species and its venture into science have not benefited from the religious. It was the religious who forbade the study of human cadavers, they are the ones who labelled Galileo a heretic, they are the ones who to this day continue to argue about Charles Darwin when we're in the age of DNA analysis. Aside from our present level of knowledge as a species, the religious really are the biggest obstacle to bettering our species' chances of survival in the future.
 
The potential of stem cell research is mind-blowing. If it weren't for all the ideological roadblocks thrown up by anti-abortion activists, who knows how far we could have come in the past couple of decades? I firmly believe that in the next few decades, scientists somewhere in the world will have developed miraculous cures for some of the most hideous diseases humans face, including ALS, Parkinsons, Altzheimers, etc. I also firmly believe none of those scientists will be based in the USA.

Actually the new experimental vaccine/cure for Ebola that was used in the latest outbreak when a couple of US medical workers were exposed and contracted Ebola was invented by the US biotech company, Novavax.

They are one of the three biotech companies that procured donated fetal tissue from Planned Parenthood and were mentioned in CMP videos.

Novavax, a biotech company in the US, has developed a recombinant protein Ebola vaccine candidate based on the Guinea 2014 Ebola virus strain and has completed a Phase I human clinical trials in Australia.

WHO | Ebola vaccines, therapies, and diagnostics
 
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The potential of stem cell research is mind-blowing. If it weren't for all the ideological roadblocks thrown up by anti-abortion activists, who knows how far we could have come in the past couple of decades? I firmly believe that in the next few decades, scientists somewhere in the world will have developed miraculous cures for some of the most hideous diseases humans face, including ALS, Parkinsons, Altzheimers, etc. I also firmly believe none of those scientists will be based in the USA.
There are currently 4 Stem Cell trials going on for Macular Degeneration alone.
4 of the 20 trials, that is.
Other interesting ones too.
Because this isn't like some/most diseases, its a condition that needs prevention and/or New growth.
Clinical Trials For Dry AMD Treatment | Macular Degeneration Research | AMD
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Bone Marrow CD34 Stem Cells – Recruiting
In this Phase 1 clinical trial, participants will be treated with intravitreal injection of CD34+ stem cells isolated from bone marrow. The patient receives stem cells derived from his own bone marrow. This study will determine whether there are any major safety and feasibility concerns. Patients will be followed for 6 months after treatment, including eye examinations and imaging. Macular degeneration is one of the retinal diseases being studied with this method. The study takes place at the University of California in Davis, CA.
For more information, visit ClinicalTrials.gov.
February 2015
Stem Cells – ACT – Recruiting
Advanced Cell Technology is recruiting individuals with dry AMD and very poor vision for this Phase 1/2 safety and tolerability trial. It will evaluate the effect of injecting retinal pigment epithelium (RPE) cells under the retina. These RPE cells were grown from human embryonic stem cell lines that have been maintained for years. The purpose of the study is primarily to determine if the surgery is safe, if there are any negative side effects, if the injected cells can spread through the retina and if they are functional.
Preliminary data from the earlier groups being studied indicate that the technique is safe and well tolerated. They have been able to measure the development of these cells in the retina. No safety issues have emerged. Some participants report they feel their vision is better, though no improvement has been measured on standard eye charts. At least one participant has exhibited a marked improvement in vision.
At this point of the trial, participants are receiving a single injection of 200,000 cells. All patients are being monitored for 12 months. Study locations are in California, Florida, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania. A parallel trial is underway for individuals with Stargardt’s macular degeneration, a form of MD that affects younger people.
For more information, visit ClinicalTrials.gov.
February 2015
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Stem Cells – Bone Marrow – Recruiting
The SCOTS clinical trial (Stem Cell Ophthalmology Treatment Study) will evaluate the use of stem cells derived from the patients own bone marrow. The research includes a comparison of different types of injections of the cells. One will be the standard intravitreal injection into the eye. Several other methods of injecting into the eye will be used and compared. Routine intravenous injection will also be assessed. Patients will be followed with routine comprehensive eye examinations for 12 months. Patients are being recruited in two locations, Margate, Florida and Dubai in the UAE.
For more information, visit ClinicalTrials.gov.
February 2015

Stem Cells – StemCells, Inc – Open; Not Recruiting
The purpose of this Phase I/II study is to investigate the safety and preliminary efficacy of transplantation of HuCNS-SC cells in subjects with geographic atrophy secondary to dry age-related macular degeneration. This is accomplished with a single injection beneath the retina. HuCNS-SC are human central nervous system stem cells.
HuCNS-SC cells are different from some of the other stem cell trials. They are purified human neural stem cells. In previous work, these cells were shown to survive a long time, holding out the possibility that a single injection could provide a lasting effect. Eight patients are in the first group. All subjects have dry AMD. Half of them received 200,000 cells and half received 1 million cells. The study will recruit another 8 patients for the second cohort. All of them will receive 1 million cells. The clinical trial is taking place in multiple U.S. locations and is sponsored by StemCells, Inc.
For more information, visit ClinicalTrials.gov.
February 2015
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What is happening to that "sinful" tissue "Dr Mengele" Planned Parenthood and others are selling?

UK scientists start Stem cell trial of Potential Blindness Cure
By Kate Kelland | Reuters – Tue, Sep 29, 2015
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-scient...ial-blindness-230927645--finance.html#gOmQmaQ

There hasn't been ANY successful application of fetal stem cells. EVERY time they've been tried, the result is massive rejection, tumors, etc. The successful use of stem cells has come from extracting the patients own stem cells and using them.
 
There hasn't been ANY successful application of fetal stem cells. EVERY time they've been tried, the result is massive rejection, tumors, etc. The successful use of stem cells has come from extracting the patients own stem cells and using them.
Really?
On the first page of my first search - 3rd down I think it was.

Harvard researchers see promise in transplanted Fetal stem cells for Parkinson's
June 5, 2014
Finding may lead to transplanting dopamine neurons taken from stem cells grown in labs
Harvard researchers see promise in transplanted Fetal Stem cells for Parkinson's | Harvard Stem Cell Institute (HSCI)

Harvard Stem Cell Institute researchers at McLean Hospital have found that Fetal dopamine cells transplanted into the brains of patients with Parkinson’s disease were able to remain healthy and functional for up to 14 years, a finding that could lead to new and better therapies for the illness. The discovery, reported in the June 5, 2014 issue of the journal Cell Reports, could pave the way for researchers to begin transplanting dopamine neurons taken from stem cells grown in laboratories, a way to get treatments to many more patients in an easier fashion.

“We have shown in this paper that the transplanted cells connect and live well and do all the required functions of nerve cells for a very long time,” said Ole Isacson, MD, director of the Neuroregeneration Research Institute at McLean and a Principal Faculty member of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute.

The researchers looked at the brains of 5 patients who got fetal cell transplants over a period of 14 years and found that their dopamine transporters (DAT), proteins that pump the neurotransmitter dopamine, and mitochondria, the power plants of cells, were still healthy at the time the patients died, in each case of causes other than Parkinson’s. The fact that these cells had remained healthy indicated that the transplants had been successful and that the transplanted cells had not been corrupted as some researchers had suggested they likely had been in other studies, said Isacson, lead author of the paper.

“These findings are critically important for the rational development of stem cell-based dopamine neuronal replacement therapies for Parkinson’s,” the paper concluded. So far, about 25 patients worldwide have been treated with this particular method of transplanting fetal dopamine cells over a period of two decades and most saw their symptoms improve markedly, he said.

Fetal cell transplants can reduce both Parkinson’s symptoms for many years and can reduce the need for dopamine replacement drugs, even though they can take months or years to start working, the paper said.
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Really?
On the first page of my first search - 3rd down I think it was.

Harvard researchers see promise in transplanted Fetal stem cells for Parkinson's
June 5, 2014
Finding may lead to transplanting dopamine neurons taken from stem cells grown in labs
Harvard researchers see promise in transplanted Fetal Stem cells for Parkinson's | Harvard Stem Cell Institute (HSCI)

That's a first then, because every other attempt had vastly different results and the only one that had any reported success turned out to be a fraud. The next question is whether this has to be done with FSCs or can it be done with ASCs. So far, ASCs have been the great breakthrough, not FSCs. So here's a simple question: IF this can be done using ASCs, is there any reason to continue this line of research using FSCs??
 
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