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Trump doesn't challenge anti-Muslim questioner at event [#:460]

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1. I loathe the idea of Trump as a GOP candidate.
2. I think he should have pulled a McCain, and he definitely shouldn't have implied agreement with the guy by not correcting him.
3. However, he's not a politician. I will give him a slight mitigant here in that it's quite possible he simply has no experience (and will take no advice) in dealing with crazy people.

You pretty much got it. McCain was a very classy guy in his handling of a similar event. And in doing so he pissed off some of the Palin crowd. But he did it anyway and he deserves credit for it. When they replayed that event yesterday on TV - it was perhaps the best moment for McCain on the entire campaign and will stand out as a moment of decency that will be replayed when the man someday dies.

don't think Trump recognized the same thing happening and simply wanted to deflect the statement and move on. And that is the problem with somebody like Trump not being a politician. We can all scream and rant all we want about their slickness - but sometimes it does serve a purpose.
 
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Trump handled the situation correctly by laughing about the guy's comment when he made it... He answered the question the guy asked and ignored his stupidity.

How did he answer the question? All I saw was Trump saying "it's something we will be looking at." If that is considered an answer we are a pretty stupid electorate for allowing it qualify as anything other than a dodge.
 
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1. I loathe the idea of Trump as a GOP candidate.
2. I think he should have pulled a McCain, and he definitely shouldn't have implied agreement with the guy by not correcting him.
3. However, he's not a politician. I will give him a slight mitigant here in that it's quite possible he simply has no experience (and will take no advice) in dealing with crazy people.

100% disagree.

He LOVED it because someone made comments about Obama that Trump himself could not make without looking even more foolish. Do not be surprised if it is revealed the audience member was a paid stooge by the Trump people. (Before anyone gives a snide response keep in mind Trump paid actors to show up at his announcement speech in NY so it would look like he had a lot of supporters.)
 
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Just like all of Trump's other statements.

Yeah there was a lot of.....yes we know. Things are bad in the world. We will get a team and we will be looking at that. Its a bad situation. But we will be great again.

Trump says a whole lot of nothing. Yet the MS media is allowing it to pass. Any other politician would be hammered over it and especially in a Debate.
 
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Watch the video. The guy interjected his stupidity about the President, but ended it with a question about addressing the presence of Islamic terrorists in this country. Trump answered the question and ignored the stupidity - except for laughing about the comment when the guy made it.


Sorry, but have to point out how people are already outright lying about the guys comments. He said our problem was with "muslims." Now some people want to change the context so they do not look like a band of bigots supporting another American coward who wrongly accused Islam of being the problem. We are going to see the same spin here we saw when Trump labeled Mexicans as criminals and rapists (saying some are maybe okay) and the same spin from a couple of years back when people booed a US soldier serving in a combat theatre because he was concerned about equality for homosexuals.
 
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Thank you for supporting what I said about political discourse because it should not matter who was in office while the false claims were made. Ive never liked Obushama and have repeatedly called out his actions of hypocrisy regarding foreign policies, wars, gitmo, and transparency. However, there is a difference between defending honesty and defending people.

It seems to me, people have various ways of dealing with crowds. Some, choose to ignore comments, and others choose to engage people who make them. I suppose it comes down to judgment in the moment. This person at the event had a point wrapped up with some controversial beliefs. Rather than engage on the controversial, it would seem Trump chose to engage more of the primary point. This happens all the time with people in this type of atmosphere. In this case, his method was food for those who are ready to pounce and make headlines, as the Internet has demonstrated today.

Obviously, there are those who are ready to come barking when the whistle blows, as it has done today, regardless of how ridiculous the reason is they are doing it.
 
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It seems to me, people have various ways of dealing with crowds. Some, choose to ignore comments, and others choose to engage people who make them. I suppose it comes down to judgment in the moment. This person at the event had a point wrapped up with some controversial beliefs. Rather than engage on the controversial, it would seem Trump chose to engage more of the primary point. This happens all the time with people in this type of atmosphere. In this case, his method was food for those who are ready to pounce and make headlines, as the Internet has demonstrated today.

Obviously, there are those who are ready to come barking when the whistle blows, as it has done today, regardless of how ridiculous the reason is they are doing it.


A controversial remark would be claiming Obushama helped Isis form through following his predecessor's policies.

It is not a controversial remark to claim the POTUS is not an American. It is hate. Stupidity. A complete lack of respect for all Americans.
 
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A controversial remark would be claiming Obushama helped Isis form through following his predecessor's policies.

It is not a controversial remark to claim the POTUS is not an American. It is hate. Stupidity. A complete lack of respect for all Americans.

I suppose, like Trump, I'm not willing to give the guy who asked the question that much credit for his comments.
 
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I don't get it, some nutball asked a question, he brushed him off with a generic answer and moved on to the next guy.


Should he have kicked the guys head in?



It's really interesting to see this wall of attacks on trump from the media, the left, and the right and he seems to be weathering the storm. I would never vote for the guy, but you gotta hand it to him for the entire political and media world out to get him, he's hanging tough.
 
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Trump doesn't challenge anti-Muslim questioner - CNNPolitics.com
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Shame on Trump. And shame on this disgusting vile waste of assembled organic molecules.


At least McCain had the balls to tell that stupid old lady to sit down and shut up in 2008.

You're right. He should have said "Of course he's not Muslim. He went to that anti-American, racist church for 20 years". Hat tip to Joel Pollak.
 
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Somehow I don't recall the Lefts' outrage and condemnation when Biden (part of the Obama re-election) claimed that Romney and the GOP were going to put blacks back in chains. IN fact they justified it. The left is funny how they reserve their outrage for Republicans that way. :2razz:
 
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Note to Dems: Republican candidates that defend your guy don't get elected.
 
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Greetings all. Happy Friday.

Today, I come to you and will speak in a language that we can all understand.

In regards to The Donald............

I am grateful for Donald Trump for the following reasons:
1. I have long hated the election cycle drama that rears it's ugly head every 4 years or so. I feel that the drama is carried out for way too long. Two years before the election, the nonsense begins. That's way too long. However, because of Donald Trump, this cycle has been very entertaining. Far from boring. I would still rather they start the drama 3 or 4 months before the election rather than 2 years, but since that is not how it goes, I thank Mr. Trump for taking an otherwise boring time period and spicing it up with all his sideshow antics and outright craziness.

2. The Donald has galvanized and corralled up the more extreme members of the GOP (aka whackos,) and put them on display for all the world to see. Mostly, these are the disgruntled bunch still sore over losing to that "black, Islamic, commie, Nigerian, Obama," not once but twice. They are the people that insisted that the GOP needs to dive further to the right rather than hover close to the center. They want the GOP to tread on the minorities, the poor, women's health rights and mandate their personal moral's down the throat's of the American majority, which wants nothing to do with their regressive desires. I have long realized that the GOP's biggest mistake is that they are already to far to the right and that is why the majority of Americans do not support the GOP. The Donald, and his group of merry-men, will prove, once and for all, that the "further to the right" crowd are not only wrong in their line of thinking but it is costing the conservative cause dearly with their bigoted and regressive points of view being cast in to the limelight. The GOP approached this election cycle seeking ways they could expand their appeal to independents and moderates and the Donald movement has done everything but that. They are handing the election over to the democrats without even realizing it due to the lack of their collective critical thought and ability to think things through.

Let's do a little math..................

Today, according to internet polls, the Donald leads the polls among the GOP contenders with 23% of those polled supporting him. He touts that with almost every breath on every stump. But let's discuss what the polls aren't highlighting. Whereas, 23% of GOP voters are hardcore Trump supporters, that leaves 77% of GOP voters who are not. In fact, it appears the majority of GOP voters can't stand the guy, to hear them talk on television.

When the GOP candidate field clears up, I submit that The Donald will still have his 23% and maybe even go as high as 30%. But the other 70% of GOP voters, who can't stand the guy, and are capable of deeper critical thought than the Trump whackos are, will throw their support to Donald's last competitor as a last ditch effort to have a reasonable chance of winning the election. That being said, I'm betting that at the end of the day, The Donald will not be the GOP candidate, (even though, I do hope I'm wrong.) Democrats, moderates and independents will never support a carnival barker such as The Donald, for president and there aren't enough GOP voters to elect a national dog catcher.

Last election cycle, 126,144,000 Americans voted.
27% of American voters identify with the GOP. 27% of those American voters equal to 34,058,880 votes.
31% of American voters identify with the DNC. 31% of those American voters equal to 39,104,640 votes.
41% of American voters identify as Independent. 41% of those American voters equal to 51,719,040 votes.
(Doing the math it is easy to understand WHY the GOP needs to attract the independents and moderates. The democrats, going head to head with the Republicans, enjoy a 5,045,760 voting majority.)

It would be nice, however, if the Donald could keep the lead and be the GOP candidate. I'm sure it would be entertaining as well as guarantee a democrat victory and the continuation of our current and ongoing climb towards the good. My observations from the past lead me to believe that anytime a GOP president get's elected, things just go to ****, the economy takes a dive, the rich get richer and young American soldiers die en masse.

(Sources: http://www.newsweek.com/poll-trump-still-dominating-after-weekend-megyn-kelly-comments-361361
Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends
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It seems to me, people have various ways of dealing with crowds. Some, choose to ignore comments, and others choose to engage people who make them. I suppose it comes down to judgment in the moment. This person at the event had a point wrapped up with some controversial beliefs. Rather than engage on the controversial, it would seem Trump chose to engage more of the primary point. This happens all the time with people in this type of atmosphere. In this case, his method was food for those who are ready to pounce and make headlines, as the Internet has demonstrated today.

CON quibble-

Trump isn't a guy to just brush off something... in debates in the tweeter wars in his past business deals, he is quick to attack anyone and everyone who he disagrees with, thinks less of.

Trump PUSHED this very rhetoric during the last election, he claimed back then he had PROOF about Obama's 'true' past.

I'd say to Trump's way of thinking, the 'wrapping' wasn't controversial at all, but the Gospel according to 'The Donald'.

THAT makes much more sense than the fastest, meanest, half cocked mouth in the room just letting something 'controversial' slid... :roll:
 
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You're right. He should have said "Of course he's not Muslim. He went to that anti-American, racist church for 20 years". Hat tip to Joel Pollak.

I love it when people bring up that church because it always proves deep levels of arrogance. They say the pastor was purely racist yet he served on a white President's medical team. Yes. He was on the medical staff of a US President. What have you ever done?

Let's not forget the chickens coming home to roost comment. When a white guy said it on Fox News nobody cared. But when an African American repeats what the white guy said, he hates America.
 
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It's remarkable how the radical left is so tripped up by Trump, that it invents these little dog whistles to get the pack scurrying. It's all over the internet. What a shameless display of desperate inventiveness.

That wasn't a dog whistle - it was a freaking dog air horn...and the Right's denial of it is no different from Bart Simpson saying "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything!" when everyone knows that yeah, he did do it.

But I forget - no matter how obvious the Islamophobia, xenophobia, and anything-having-to-do-with-Obama-phobia of the Right, Thou Shalt NEVER Admit It.
 
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Having led for most of the Republican primary, Trump no longer gets a pass for "not being a politician". He, like everyone else on that stage, is accountable for everything he says...and everything he doesn't say.

Everything he doesn't say? Hillary Clinton has not come out strongly against beastiality. Do you hold it against her for not speaking out?
 
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That wasn't a dog whistle - it was a freaking dog air horn...and the Right's denial of it is no different from Bart Simpson saying "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything!" when everyone knows that yeah, he did do it.

But I forget - no matter how obvious the Islamophobia, xenophobia, and anything-having-to-do-with-Obama-phobia of the Right, Thou Shalt NEVER Admit It.

Exactly. I think the bigger problem was not that he accused the president of being a Muslim (better than half the Republican base probably believes that), but that he basically got a tacit acknowledgement from Trump that he would look into doing something about the Muslims in the country. The fact is that the Trump candidacy if anything is laying bare the shear bigotry and xenophobia of much of the Republican base these days.

Think about it this way, Trump has no problem having anyone he doesn't like physically thrown out of his events. Yet he humors a guy that is proposing cultural genocide. That should tell you something.
 
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Everything he doesn't say? Hillary Clinton has not come out strongly against beastiality. Do you hold it against her for not speaking out?

That is a stupid comparison. Has someone at a Hillary event asked her about legalizing bestiality and then Hillary responded with "we are looking into that"?
 
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Everything he doesn't say? Hillary Clinton has not come out strongly against beastiality. Do you hold it against her for not speaking out?

If one of her supporters had publicly broached the subject and she didn't shut him down, THEN - and ONLY then - you'd have a point. Otherwise, you're just tossing out a non sequitur.
 
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That wasn't a dog whistle - it was a freaking dog air horn...and the Right's denial of it is no different from Bart Simpson saying "I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything!" when everyone knows that yeah, he did do it.

But I forget - no matter how obvious the Islamophobia, xenophobia, and anything-having-to-do-with-Obama-phobia of the Right, Thou Shalt NEVER Admit It.


I didn't see the Media out taking it to Hillary for saying the Repubs are like terrorists. They seemed to get a kick out of that. Shouldn't they have jumped on her for Defending those Americans?

Cast no stones and all that, huh? PC game.....is like PC Select Choice.
 
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First, the guy was an idiot. The "Obama is a secret muslim" crap is nothing but tin foil hat material. And we don't have a "muslim" problem.

Second, I'm split on Trump here. Personally, I'm of the opinion of going the McCain route and basically stating your disagreement with the guys first part before answering his second part. HOWEVER, I do think there's a worth while second school of thought where you simply don't give any credence or acknowledgement to the ridiculous part as to not give it any sort of legitimacy. The problem with that, with Trump at least, is that he's a known birth and the way he kind of chuckled and said "we need this question" almost seemed like he was egging the guy on or was agreeing with it without saying it.

So ultimately, while I think there is a legitimate choice to be made to acknowledge or not acknowledged such craziness and still do the "right thing", in this particular instance Trumps handling of it wasn't very good inn terms of option 2. How much of that was purposeful and how much of that was because he's not a politician and not as skilled at dealing with these kind of things, I don't know. Either way, it's a bad look.

And the guy asking the question is a loon
 
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Exactly. I think the bigger problem was not that he accused the president of being a Muslim (better than half the Republican base probably believes that), but that he basically got a tacit acknowledgement from Trump that he would look into doing something about the Muslims in the country. The fact is that the Trump candidacy if anything is laying bare the shear bigotry and xenophobia of much of the Republican base these days.

Think about it this way, Trump has no problem having anyone he doesn't like physically thrown out of his events. Yet he humors a guy that is proposing cultural genocide. That should tell you something.

I suspect that Trump is a product of what's been happening on a much larger scale in America. Over the decades, the non-white population has grown in size and influence, and by 2030 will no longer comprise a majority of Americans...and as a result, many whites feel pressured, marginalized, or even threatened by their diminishing influence. I don't think this is a conscious decision on their part, but that it's more of an overall mostly-unspoken and -unrealized influence.

I think that such xenophobia, religious prejudice, and racism are not the result of deliberation on the Right, but are instead no different from what's happened in so many other instances in history wherein the dominant demographic reacts defensively to its perceived loss of influence or size. There are many such examples throughout history where the "natives" react - often violently - to a perceived mass influx of those of other races, ethnicities, or religion. Among conservatives, this was exemplified after Obama's first election: "I want my America back!"

That is what I see is at the root of what's happening to the GOP.
 
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