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Maryland teen’s kiss leads to assault charge

what a joke, the DA who pressed charges should be disbarred. regretting a kiss after the fact is not 'assault'.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
what a joke, the DA who pressed charges should be disbarred. regretting a kiss after the fact is not 'assault'.
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Where's the "regretting" coming from? From what I've read, the girl didn't have a say.
 
tres borrachos said:
Geezus! He's only 13. School suspension, yes. Community service, sure. But a criminal record? Absolutely not. This is terrible.
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Is she less victimized and violated than she would be if an 18 year old would have done this to her?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Our society's morality and women's rights have made some improvements since 1945 Rev.

Also I'd say it's pretty comical to compare these two occasions.
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why? both are pretty much the same thing, except one involved adults.


and I don't think "womens rights" has anything to do with these kids and what happened.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I find this line of retort vapid at best.
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Because this was so much more challenging...

ReverendHellh0und said:
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I know right? /facepalm
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What a joke. Have fun with this thread, his ass is on record, my way won.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Do you think that counseling makes criminals and violent offenders or maybe, just maybe, people that are prone to violent offenses and being a sexual predator are also more likely to be forced in to counseling?

I don't know why you'd think that counseling is a bad thing for a kid like this.
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Counseling is even stupid in this case.

kid did it on a dare.

If you want to give him counseling, you need to give all those kids "counseling".
 
What if this kid had forced himself on another boy?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Counseling is even stupid in this case.

kid did it on a dare.

If you want to give him counseling, you need to give all those kids "counseling".
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Well, I think there's a difference in a bunch of kids sitting around saying "wouldn't it be funny if Johnny made out with Betty!" and some kid actually grabbing a girl and forcing his tongue in her mouth.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Well, I think there's a difference in a bunch of kids sitting around saying "wouldn't it be funny if Johnny made out with Betty!" and some kid actually grabbing a girl and forcing his tongue in her mouth.
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Counseling is going to do very little for something as stupid and petty as this.
 
This is an atypical example, but when I was 15 and in another country, my girlfriends dared me to go up to a boy and kiss him. I ran up to his car and pecked him on the cheek, which thrilled by friends. I was put on a plane back to the States two days later because of my "whorish" behavior when the word got around to grownups.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
what a joke, the DA who pressed charges should be disbarred. regretting a kiss after the fact is not 'assault'.
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Who would be regretting the kiss? You mean the girl that wasn't asked and didn't want it in the first place?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Do you think that counseling makes criminals and violent offenders or maybe, just maybe, people that are prone to violent offenses and being a sexual predator are also more likely to be forced in to counseling?

I don't know why you'd think that counseling is a bad thing for a kid like this.
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Because I know what happens quite often when people are referred for court ordered counseling. many agencies exist solely to provide court ordered counseling and it is a target rich environment. Unlike a practice that seeks clients and has to go through the process of collecting co-pays and insurance for clients, court ordered counseling agencies get that court backed guaranteed money. And dont think they dont milk it.

I'll give you an example. Two 14 and 15 year old boys hook up over a weekend with two 13 and 14 year old girls. Parents are away at the house they are at. Some joints are smoked, the kids couple up, and there is some heavy making out which leads to oral sex. All in all...from everyones standpoint...it was a fun weekend. Then the 14 year old girls parents find out-there is no consent prior to age 15). They are livid and file charges (as if it was the 14 year olds first rodeo. It wasnt). Come to learn...the 15 year old she had been with is now 16 and living in California and since it is a juvenile case and not one anyone is excited about pursuing, the charges are left standing and a warrant is issued, but it will never be acted on unless the kid returns to the state and his parents are in no way willing to bring him back to the state. NOW...the 13 year olds parents get wind of it and THEY file charges against the 14 year old boy. The 13 year old is insistent she doesnt want it and that her parents actions are actually what is traumatizing her. Too bad...they know better...and the 14 year old is charged. He will lose. He has no defense. So...pleads no contest and all he has to do is go through court ordered counseling, stay clean, and his record is expunged at 18 (he's 15 by this point).

So...after an initial interview with the court ordered counseling agency it is determined he will need 8 counseling sessions. 300 for the initial intake and assessment and 8 sessions at 125 a pop. Cash...insurance wont cover this. A quick 1300. Kid resists in the counseling and so the counseling agency reports he needs an additional group therapy meeting during the week. Oh...and BTW...he smokes dope. Drug counseling (separate of course). The group counseling includes sex offenders. Nice. Kid comes to a counseling session and the counselor notices a pack of cigarettes. Well...dont you know he needs smoking cessation classes as well. This all runs right up until his 18th birthday. The family petitions the court to have all this dropped but wait...the counseling agency has filed their report that the counseling has been ineffective due to his resistance and recommends continued counseling or that the court list him as a sex offender (a done deal til he is 21 and can be extended if he is not compliant).

All because a group of teenagers got together for a party.

This doesnt happen ALL the time...but it is not uncommon. Not all counseling offices that accept court ordered cases are predatory...but many are. And really...for what?

There are some very real things to consider. Maybe this was just a stupid decision by a 13 year old kid without a fully functioning brain. Maybe criminal proceedings are a bit of overkill. Or maybe he has a history in which case maybe they are warranted. Id like to know more before we say kill him, jail him, or excuse him.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Counseling is even stupid in this case.

kid did it on a dare.

If you want to give him counseling, you need to give all those kids "counseling".
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This is a good point.

They are missing the conspiracy charges and charging the other boys as well.

Please be honest. if this was your daughter that might have just got some kind of disease, you never know, from an open mouth kiss, would you be so anxious to let these kids off the hook?
 
jmotivator said:
Based on the accounts of what the "kiss" was, I think this is a fair charge. He grabbed the girl and gave her a full open mouth kiss with tongue. That's assault in my book, and nothing like the innocent peck on the cheek that some are portraying it as.
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why not just charge him with rape right?

no lets ruin his life over a kiss.

no I am not condoning this at all but charging him with assault is a little much.
give him in school suspension or something but there was no need to arrest him and waste the courts time.

he should have been told what he did was wrong he simply can't do that even on a DARE and the kids that dared him should get in trouble as well.
I can understand the girl getting upset. what he did was wrong but charging him with assault?

our society has gone stupid.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
why? both are pretty much the same thing, except one involved adults.


and I don't think "womens rights" has anything to do with these kids and what happened.
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Women's rights has plenty to do with the photo you posted.

They are similar. But my entire point revolved around the fact that we have become more sensitive to women's issues and sexual assault since the 1940's. So if you were trying to make the point that "well it wasn't a big deal when this guy did it" it falls on deaf ears. The situation and timing were completely different.

For example. I'd be pissed if someone off the street came up to me and gave me a great big bear hug out of nowhere with no explanation. I might would be more understanding if that person had just gotten away from someone that kidnapped them. The context matters.
 
Mason66 said:
This is a good point.

They are missing the conspiracy charges and charging the other boys as well.

Please be honest. if this was your daughter that might have just got some kind of disease, you never know, from an open mouth kiss, would you be so anxious to let these kids off the hook?
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yep I would be upset if someone did this to my daughter.
I would want a conference with the boys and their parents.

boys will do stupid things. however no need to arrest them and charge them with a crime unless it was something super serious.
 
ludin said:
why not just charge him with rape right?

no lets ruin his life over a kiss.

no I am not condoning this at all but charging him with assault is a little much.
give him in school suspension or something but there was no need to arrest him and waste the courts time.

he should have been told what he did was wrong he simply can't do that even on a DARE and the kids that dared him should get in trouble as well.
I can understand the girl getting upset. what he did was wrong but charging him with assault?

our society has gone stupid.
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If a guy came up and forced his tongue down your throat would you think it's an insignificant matter?
 
ludin said:
yep I would be upset if someone did this to my daughter.
I would want a conference with the boys and their parents.

boys will do stupid things. however no need to arrest them and charge them with a crime unless it was something super serious.
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And if that conference didn't pan out, like the other parents didn't show up?

Should the damage to the girl be taken into account when discussing the punishment of the group of boys?
 
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