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Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody Contempt of Court Over SSM license [W:681*1928**]

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At the press conference today her attorney now says that she not only doesn't want he name on the licenses, bit doesn't want them to have the job title of county clerk since she is the county clerk.
 
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JasperL said:
You're suggesting he unilaterally change the law in KY. First of all, why would he do that to solve one woman's self created dilemma. Second, he doesn't have that authority. He DOES have the authority to do the simpler and more straightforward task to require a public official to fulfill their oath of office, aka "do your job according to the law," or hold her in contempt.
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So you'd rather a federal court unilaterally change the law in Kentucky. Got it.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Actually, it's debatable whether or not the State dealt with it. One could argue, as I would, that the State didn't seek to accommodate her religious beliefs, and thus didn't protect her first amendment rights, by not attempting to seek an alternative to forcing her to resign.
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She had the opportunity to make her case both in District court and the Appeals court, and in both cases she was unable to put forth a legitimate argument for why the state had to change its laws to accommodate her rejection of the Supreme Court's ruling on same sex marriage. So, you are entitled to your opinion, but she has more than had her day in court and she has failed to make her case that the issuing licenses to same sex couples that bare her name on them in any way interferes in her ability to practice her religion.
 
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JasperL said:
LMAO.

You can start a thread on sanctuary cities. Try it and see who shows up!
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Well I doubt very many liberals will want to try to justify that abomination.

JasperL said:
In the meantime, this is another topic.
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Translation: You can't answer the question (when are you people going to be consistent and start arresting mayors and/or sheriffs of unlawful sanctuary cities??_.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
But they still included her name on them or something. Because she was asking to be accommodated by not having her name on the gay ones.
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The court can't legislate. It offered her the maximum legal remedy.

Marriage licenses in Kentucky are required to include an authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license.

Jailed Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Offers 'Remedy' in Same-Sex Marriage License Battle - ABC News

Like any elected official, she took an oath of office that entails those responsibilities. If she is unwilling or unable to fulfill the responsibilities of her office, responsibilities she committed herself to undertake, she should resign. She has refused to fulfill her responsibilities and insists on staying in office. The court gave her a very generous accommodation that would have eliminated any religious dilemma. She turned it down.

Her demanding what would amount to both the court's overriding statutory law and an ex post facto change to legal documents would raise profound constitutional issues and create a very dangerous precedent. Her demand is unreasonable. IMO, the court properly rejected that demand on sound legal ground. Now that she has refused the accommodation, the court should withdraw its offer and give her two choices: fully comply with the law or resign. If not, it should hold her fully accountable for her unlawful actions so long as she holds office.
 
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wolfsgirl said:
At the press conference today her attorney now says that she not only doesn't want he name on the licenses, bit doesn't want them to have the job title of county clerk since she is the county clerk.
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Exactly why she needs to either resign or be removed from office. She wants basically while laws changed to accommodate her religious views, job duties of an elected position changed simply because of her religious beliefs. That is definitely not a reasonable accommodation.
 
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Logicman said:
It's what the Word of God says about gay sex sin. You might want to read up on it and enlighten yourself.
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God created gay people and sex. Take it up with her.
 
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clownboy said:
And in order to show she has broken said law one must show due process has been completed. Otherwise you've just spitballing. Has she been charged and the charges proven in court.
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They had excellent lawyers defending her, wonder why they did not use that line of defense. h yes, I do believe that was brought up and dismissed by the Judge.
She is in jail for Contempt of Court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html
ASHLAND, Ky. — A Kentucky county clerk who has become a symbol of religious opposition to same-sex marriage was jailed Thursday after defying a federal court order to issue licenses to gay couples.

The clerk, Kim Davis of Rowan County, Ky., was ordered detained for contempt of court and later rejected a proposal to allow her deputies to process same-sex marriage licenses that could have prompted her release.
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dirtpoorchris said:
Accomidation WAS an issue if her name still needs to be on it even though shes not signing it. Thats like saying the satanist bible is authorized by King James because King James never signed it but clerks put his name on the front and signed the back for him.
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She knew when talking the position that marriage licenses were part of her duty. She swore an oath to do the duties of that office.
She want's the state to change the entire marriage license set up to make it so that neither her name, nor the title of county clerk is on them.
 
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Logicman said:
It's what the Word of God says about gay sex sin. You might want to read up on it and enlighten yourself.
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Riddle me this one.
Why did God create Gays??
I do believe we are created in his image, so why did God do that to gays???
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Accomidation WAS an issue if her name still needs to be on it even though shes not signing it. Thats like saying the satanist bible is authorized by King James because King James never signed it but clerks put his name on the front and signed the back for him.
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She should do the honorable thing and resign. The court was extremely generous in allowing her to refrain from undertaking basic responsibilities of her office, she said "no." She fully understood her responsibilities when taking office.
 
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vesper said:
Actually it isn't anti SSM, but rather pro religious liberties. You know the very first things listed in the very first Amendment? None of this would have ever happened if Davis would have found religious accommodations. I read where something as simple as permitting a notary on duty that has no religious convictions over SSM have authority to issue/sign the license would have solved the problem. But no it resulted in Davis being jailed. Is this the first time a Christian woman has been jailed for living her faith in this country?
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Sure, the vast majority of it is anti-SSM. I'd bet the ven diagram would show perhaps a 90% overlap between supporters of Kim Davis and those opposed to SSM.

I just do not believe, for example, that if this clerk was a male Muslim denying a DL to you or someone else's wife that there would be ANY support for his "religious freedom" and demands that his religious beliefs be accommodated. I don't believe that if Ted Cruz were denied a gun permit by a gun hating peacenik Unitarian that he'd lead the defense of his rights to exercise his religion and abridge a right sacred to that clown. Etc.

And, no, this is far from the first time a woman has been jailed for "living her faith." Your history must not go back further than last week.... Just a few months ago, a nun was released from prison after two years after breaking into Y-12 nuclear facility, an act directly tied to her faith and opposition to nuclear arms and war in general. There are many more. You've probably heard of the civil rights era? Lots of women jailed in that struggle, and their faith was integral to their cause.

Edit to add that the civil rights activists were working for equal rights, not to deny rights sacred to them from being extended to others. Big difference in my view.
 
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beefheart said:
God created gay people....
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In your dreams. Last time I checked gayness was theorized as being the result of hormonal abnormalities in the womb.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Interesting. Does a federal judge have the authority to order those clerks to do that, and are they legal?

The state or county must have some sort of back up plan in place for everything in the event a clerk can't or won't do the job. What if she was incapacitated? Does that mean business as usual stops? What happens when she goes on vacation?
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Actually so long as the person who is appointed for her when she is "absent" (which there is such a person designated by law, I just can't remember who it is) authorizes the licenses, they should be legal. I'm pretty sure being in jail indefinitely counts as being absent.
 
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Logicman said:
It's what the Word of God says about gay sex sin. You might want to read up on it and enlighten yourself.
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Your God is a pathetic, xenophobic loser.

He has his word and I have mine.
 
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clownboy said:
I doubt very much that society in general knows enough about the specious foundation of contempt of court to give a rip either way.
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Evidently the Judge thinks he understands the law, imagine that! Regardless, she is still eating jailhouse food and doing time.
 
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Should she have been issued HER license to marry?

"Bible Verses About Divorce
Bible verses related to Divorce from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance

- Sort By Book Order


Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11 - And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband: (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 7:15 - But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.

Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 19:6 - Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Romans 7:2 - For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Mark 10:12 - And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

1 John 2:3-4 - And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (Read More...)

Matthew 19:3-9 - The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? (Read More...)

Matthew 19:8 - He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

1 Corinthians 7:10-17 - And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband: (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 - Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. (Read More...)

Deuteronomy 24:1-22 - When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 7:10 - And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:4-6 - And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, (Read More...)

Matthew 5:31-32 - It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: (Read More...)

Exodus 14:14 - The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.

Malachi 2:16 - For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for [one] covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously."

Comparatively....it would seem "GOD" was a bit to busy to bother with Gay marriage.

"Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
That evening an old man came home from his work in the fields. He was from the hill country of Ephraim, but he was living in Gibeah, where the people were from the tribe of Benjamin. When he saw the travelers sitting in the town square, he asked them where they were from and where they were going."

Maybe he got too tired.
 
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Logicman said:
In your dreams. Last time I checked gayness was theorized as being the result of hormonal abnormalities in the womb.
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What would be abnormal is for everybody to be heterosexual.
 
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Logicman said:
Flush
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I am still here. Where is the lighting? Is your God too much of a wuss to knock the gay out of me?
 
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winston53660 said:
What would be abnormal is for everybody to be heterosexual.
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What's that - winstonlogic 101? Believe I'll pass.
 
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CriticalThought said:
I am still here. Where is the lighting? Is your God too much of a wuss to knock the gay out of me?
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Accomidation WAS an issue if her name still needs to be on it even though shes not signing it. Thats like saying the satanist bible is authorized by King James because King James never signed it but clerks put his name on the front and signed the back for him.
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no it was never an issue since again she CHOOSE to take the job HAS to go on many many things as clerk, this is not knew, And if we accept her dishonesty argument i bet we could find 100 documents that are also sinful "according to her words" but she has no problem with them, SHe is factually a bigot and a dishonest hypocrite.

as for your example its nonsensical and not analogous at all, wow
 
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JANFU said:
Riddle me this one.
Why did God create Gays??
I do believe we are created in his image, so why did God do that to gays???
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If Jesus Christ was God. And God created All. Then Jesus Christ created the homosexual. Then there might be a little fag in us all.
 
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