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Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody Contempt of Court Over SSM license [W:681*1928**]

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Henrin said:
So what, resign or stay in prison? That doesn't sound like bad governing at all.
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That's not really the choice. She can choose her job or her religion, ultimately. If she choose her job, she'll have to find a way to get licenses issued to the gays. If she chooses religion, she'll probably have to resign based on her stance at the moment. I don't know why you (and she) think she's entitled to have the best of both worlds, which is to follow the very stringent dictates of her religion AND to hold an $80,000 a year job that requires her to take steps she feels violates her beliefs but failing to do them violates the rights of the citizens she serves.
 
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Chomsky said:
If her religion is interfering with her job, she should think of other employment - I'd find a way to get her out.

You want to practice religion, go to church.

You want a job, then get to work.

It's that simple.
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Ludin's statement are dangerous and absurd to say the least. Imagine a Muslim decides to go work for some small Chinese restaurant (where pork dishes are common):

- They say "Hey we need a cook!"
- The guy says "Yeah, I can cook! No problem!".
- Once hired he says "Hey, I can cook any kind of food, as long as it doesn't conflict with my religion and oh! You can't fire me, you have to change your menu to fit me."

What then? Does the restaurant have to keep him on as a cook even though he refuses to do what is expected of him? Of course not. That's ridiculous. Does the restaurant have to hire a second additional cook just to accommodate the first? That's even more absurd. That is the kind of situation where Ludin's primordial understanding of the Civil Rights legislation (CRL) leads. It leads to the conclusion your beliefs on a particular subject can be imposed on others because of the CRA when nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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ludin said:
they aren't BS allegations they actually happened.
actually no I am not

I am showing that these militants are a danger and a threat to a free society.
that these so called tolerant people are not tolerant at all.

no I will take it up with anyone I want to. you don't dictate how I post.
the fact is I don't see anyone here condemning anything that has been done to this women but want to hang her up to dry.

no one has condemned the fact that she had to change phone numbers to stop the death threats.
she has probably had to change her email address in order to stop the emails telling her that she was going to be raped.

no one is going after those people are they? no they are railing against a women because of a religious belief that she has.
you say you are against hate and other things but when it is propagated against someone that holds a view different than other people
nothing is said. so I am saying it.

you don't like it tough.
I will show you the intolerant people.

the people that threatened this women are the intolerant people. those are the people that should be condemned.
yet you brush it off go figure.
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Sheesh, no one's responding because it's self evident not a single person on this thread supports the kinds of threats you say she received. If it makes you feel better to rant, that's fine, but we're all in agreement on this. If those threats took place, the cops should investigate them thoroughly, arrest the perps, and make a public example out of them by prosecuting them to the fullest extent possible. I have no tolerance for that kind of nonsense, and I suspect no one else on either side of this debate on here does either.

It's sort of bizarre, though, that you're blaming liberals, it appears, because the cops in Rowan County and KY aren't investigating crimes against this woman. Liberals are in charge of the police departments in KY? It's right up the road from me, and I find that impossible to believe.
 
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vesper said:
1.)So their God and his teachings for a millennia that has been universally accepted is now a bigot too?
2.)Look pal, she has rights too whether you agree with her religious beliefs or not. Rights that are being trampled by people like you.
3.)You and the Gay Mafia keep dragging folks into court over their religious convictions but be advised with every case there is a growing outpour of disgust and they are letting their representatives in Congress know.
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1.) by definition she is factually a bigot
2.) her rights arent being trampled and thers nothing that supports the lie, its been destroyed countless times by many posters and posts. Disagree list the FACTUAL rights. You wont cause you cant cause its a lie
3.) gay mafia? well that telll us all we need to know about your views LMAO

your lies are losing and equal rights and the constitution are winning, dont like rights find another country :D
 
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vesper said:
So their God and his teachings for a millennia that has been universally accepted is now a bigot too?
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Good lord, I don't think you could be more obtuse if you were trying.

Their imaginary sky friend is not a bigot. Their anti-gay sentiment is bigotry.

vesper said:
Look pal, she has rights too whether you agree with her religious beliefs or not. Rights that are being trampled by people like you.
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She does not have the right to break the law or arbitrarily subject other people to her religious beliefs.

vesper said:
You and the Gay Mafia
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The Mauve Hand!

vesper said:
keep dragging folks into court over their religious convictions but be advised with every case there is a growing outpour of disgust and they are letting their representatives in Congress know.
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No, they drag people into court because people won't follow the law.

vesper said:
GoFundMe stopped accepting fundraisers for people in these situations. They shut down the page started for the Klein bakers in Oregon. But Samaritan's Purse has picked up the banner and has started a means where folks can donate to those of faith standing up for their beliefs and find themselves in court over it. They are the ones that stepped in for the Klein's and response was tremendous. Samaritan's Purse is run by Franklin Graham, Billy Graham's son. I look to see a fundraiser started for Davis any day. It's not common knowledge Graham has started this only to those of religious convictions. They take care of their own. Because it is very obvious folks like you aren't going to do it.
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Good for Franklin Graham.
 
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vesper said:
And for the last time, the gay couples showing up for licenses had no intention of getting married. They already knew she wasn't going to issue the license. Their tactics were to force the woman to comply to them using the courts. They weren't the ones losing anything for they weren't looking for a marriage license in the first place. Their goal was to hurt Davis and they succeeded. And not only that, her basic civil rights of religious accommodation were denied. It is just another example of how unfairly laws are applied and why there is a need for Congress to pass a bill to ensure 1st Amendment rights/civil rights of all pertaining to religious beliefs on marriage needs passed since the SC ruling. And as I type the social justice crowd is seeking to attach gay rights to every race civil rights which would pretty much kill the 1st Amendment.
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Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

Judge Robert's words speaking on behalf of the minority on the 5-4 decision on SSM: "The majority's decision is an act of will, not legal judgment. The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this court's precedence. Just who do we think we are?"
 
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The Gay Mafia... they'll criticize your wallpaper... and make you swim... at garden parties.
 
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Henrin said:
So what, resign or stay in prison? That doesn't sound like bad governing at all.
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The judge bent over backwards to offer her a way out of this. He even told her he would let her off the hook for issuing the licenses if she promised not to interfere with the deputy clerks who agreed to issue them instead. She refused so jail is warranted and it's what she deserves. She can stay there until her term expires. In the meantime, the licenses will be issued by the deputy clerks starting tomorrow.
 
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Hatuey said:
The Gay Mafia... they'll criticize your wallpaper... and make you swim... at garden parties.
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"For as long as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster. Or an interior designer. Or a choreographer."
 
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ludin said:
the only reason it made national news is because of the controversy.

however what I find interesting is that the neither the police or this judge have investigated the death threats sent by the LBAQWTIE whatever militants that
threatened to burn down her house with them in it.
beat up her husband
threats to rape her and make her husband watch.

last time I checked making threats against a public official was a felony. so where is the judge or all these so called tolerant people at now.
the hypocrisy of these people are amazing. they are dangerous to a free country.
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Do you honestly think that the people making threats against her and her family even represent 1% of the people that disagree with her? Seriously painting with a broad, broad brush with that on. The vast, vast, vast majority of the people that disagree with her actions would also condemn anyone making threats against her as well.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I suggest you read my posts which clearly show I am not defending her, and in fact, I have been saying that her actions were wrong. You don't usually make such a dishonest posts as you just did. I detest dishonest posts.

If you think this is a big story, go on ahead and crack your champagne. It isn't. And I can assure you the name Kim Davis won't be making it into our grandchildrens' history books.
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I apologize for misinterpreting your posts then. I have not read them all, just the ones I responded to. As to it being a big story, it may not make it into high school text books, but you can bet it will be an example of constitutional law taught in law school.
 
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Kobie said:
"For as long as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster. Or an interior designer. Or a choreographer."
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I heard that to join the Gay Mafia, you have to correctly recite the tracklist for Grease's OST. Seriously though, it should be illegal to make such blatant caricatures of people you oppose while pretending to be serious. It makes debate impossible.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Do you honestly think that the people making threats against her and her family even represent 1% of the people that disagree with her? Seriously painting with a broad, broad brush with that on. The vast, vast, vast majority of the people that disagree with her actions would also condemn anyone making threats against her as well.
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Again, that doesn't fit the narrative.
 
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ludin said:
you are 100% incorrect.

the EEOC on religious accommodations say that the employer must make reasonable accommodations to people that have religious objections.

what this means is that the lady in question herself does not have to hand out marriage licenses. it means that someone else must be there to do so.
what it doesn't mean is that she can force someone else to not hand them out.

he is wrong. you cannot fire someone based on their religious objections to a position. as an employer you must accommodate them.

the problem in this case is that she is not allowing anyone to hand them out. that is against the law. the only person she can recuse is herself she can't recuse anyone else.
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Nope, discriminating against people has never been a viably "reasonable" accommodation.
 
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Hatuey said:
I heard that to join the Gay Mafia, you have to correctly recite the tracklist for Grease's OST. Seriously though, it should be illegal to make such blatant caricatures of people you oppose while pretending to be serious. It makes debate impossible.
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Interesting, but irrelevant.



This lady could spend a long time in jail.

It's all up to her.
 
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jmotivator said:
So when do we start arresting sanctuary city officials?
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Whenever you can get the government behind your effort. Good luck with that. I'm against illegal immigration by the way and think sanctuary cities need to go away. However, that has absolutely jack **** to do with this issue.
 
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Kobie said:
"For as long as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster. Or an interior designer. Or a choreographer."
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Oh man I went art school Pratt undergrad and the n NYU. We had to learn about terrible things like that as well as about art history....
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I apologize for misinterpreting your posts then. I have not read them all, just the ones I responded to.
As to it being a big story, it may not make it into high school text books, but you can bet it will be an example of constitutional law taught in law school.
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Governor George Wallace standing in the door back in 1963 made it into the history books and I suspect that this will also.
 
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winston53660 said:
Oh man I went art school Pratt undergrad and the n NYU. We had to learn about terrible things like that as well as about art history....
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... I learned about art history without being gay... does that make me like... a foot soldier in the gay mafia... or an associate?
 
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"Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"

 
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clownboy said:
What law did she break? And Obama has yet to make clear what his religion is, I doubt highly he will be asserting it in defense.
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A person doesn't have to hold any actual religious beliefs or identify a specific religion to be protected by the EEOC.
 
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Hatuey said:
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I learned about art history without being gay... does that make me like... a foot soldier in the gay mafia... or an associate?
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You sound more like an associate to me.

:lol:
 
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Lursa said:
Sheriffs usually are and they tell their force what to do.
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Not just usually. Pretty much all US sheriffs are elected.
 
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