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Watch Ellen Page Grill Ted Cruz Over LGBT Rights [W:575]

roguenuke said:
If you are denied service for being straight, in those places where we have seen cases so far, you too can file a discrimination claim and/or sue whoever refused to serve you. That is how the laws work.
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I wouldnt, Im not a loser. I would just go somewhere else.
 
AGENT J said:
Translation: you are still deflecting, you have nothing that changes the fact i posted or the topic of the op. again hats what i thought. let me know when you do LMAO.
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Here is a fact for you: Opinions arent facts.
 
WSUwarrior said:
Here is a fact for you: Opinions arent facts.
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100% correct that's why your post failed and got destroyed and the op is still standing because it has facts to back it up like the video and transcript. ooops
When you have one single fact that supports your lie please post, until then you got nothing besides repeating"nu-huh" LMAO

fact remains cruz dodge the question and tried to change the subject :)
 
AGENT J said:
100% correct that's why your post failed and got destroyed and the op is still standing because it has facts to back it up like the video and transcript.
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AGENT J said:
Facts, video, trasnscrpts > then your posted lies :shrug:
your post loses again LMAO
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WSUwarrior said:
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still waiting on you to please provide proof and back up your proven wrong claim, fact remains your claim was wrong but let us know when you can. thanks
 
AGENT J said:
still waiting on you to please provide proof and back up your proven wrong claim, fact remains your claim was wrong but let us know when you can. thanks
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Proof of what? Your posts are so weird that I forgot what you wanted proof of.
 
WSUwarrior said:
Proof of what? Your posts are so weird that I forgot what you wanted proof of.
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Thats typical when a person just makes stuff up like you do in your posts LMAO oh well thats your problem. When you figure it out lets us know.
 
Moderator's Warning:
OK, the herd has now been thinned a bit. Anyone else want to be escorted through the door?
 
nota bene said:
So you found an example in, according to your link, the "tiny" town of Latta, South Carolina, population 1368. Do you understand that this is atypical and that I'm asking for evidence that firing employees because they're gay is somehow endemic or a widespread commonplace?

Here's a link that I think you'll find reassuring: Guess What? You Can No Longer Be Fired For Being Gay Anywhere In America. / Queerty
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Do you understand that you didn't ask it as a widespread thing but rather just simply where it happened? I'm certain there are towns that still don't accept gays, fire gays just for that. Are you going to hear about them? Not very likely, and luckily, it isn't nearly as acceptable as it used to be, not even 5-10 years ago. Afterall, I've been in the Navy, had friends put out under DADT, which was just repealed a few years back.

Of course, since there hasn't been an actual case concerning this yet, then we don't know if that would hold up. I'm all for it, but don't doubt that certain people would fight it tooth and nail, just as they are fighting same sex marriage being legal.
 
WSUwarrior said:
Its not discrimination, lib. They are not refusing to serve gay people, they are refusing the cater the wedding, lib. A lib probably cant figure out the difference, lib.
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Wrong. They are refusing to sell a wedding cake to a couple for their wedding because that couple is of the same sex, gay.
 
WSUwarrior said:
I wouldnt, Im not a loser. I would just go somewhere else.
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Whether you choose to do so or not doesn't change the fact that it is still a legal option for you, which means that heterosexuals are just as protected as homosexuals under those laws.
 
roguenuke said:
Do you understand that you didn't ask it as a widespread thing but rather just simply where it happened? I'm certain there are towns that still don't accept gays, fire gays just for that. Are you going to hear about them? Not very likely, and luckily, it isn't nearly as acceptable as it used to be, not even 5-10 years ago. Afterall, I've been in the Navy, had friends put out under DADT, which was just repealed a few years back.

Of course, since there hasn't been an actual case concerning this yet, then we don't know if that would hold up. I'm all for it, but don't doubt that certain people would fight it tooth and nail, just as they are fighting same sex marriage being legal.
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and thats exactly what the acts that she asked about want to do. They want to fight agsint SSM and equal rights for gays, they want it to be legal to discriminate against gays for being gay. Its so sad that anybody could ever actually be like that.
 
roguenuke said:
Do you understand that you didn't ask it as a widespread thing but rather just simply where it happened? I'm certain there are towns that still don't accept gays, fire gays just for that. Are you going to hear about them? Not very likely, and luckily, it isn't nearly as acceptable as it used to be, not even 5-10 years ago. Afterall, I've been in the Navy, had friends put out under DADT, which was just repealed a few years back.

Of course, since there hasn't been an actual case concerning this yet, then we don't know if that would hold up. I'm all for it, but don't doubt that certain people would fight it tooth and nail, just as they are fighting same sex marriage being legal.
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If you're aware of people who are fighting against employment anti-discrimination laws, please clue me in. I haven't heard of anybody who is, and I've never seen racial/orientation/religious/nationality, etc. discrimination in any of my workplaces. Maybe it's different for non-professional employees, but I've worked alongside secularists, people of various faiths, and also gays and straights and have never seen it. I have been forced to take significant training on discrimination laws and assume that others routinely take similar HR training.

Yes, I did “ask it as a widespread” thing; I used the plural “employees.” That’s nice that you’ve found one atypical example of a lesbian sheriff allegedly fired for being gay in a North Carolina town whose population is only 1368, but this is hardly representative. Page’s statement was about gays and trans being fired in multiple states for being gay; she’s referring, at least in my opinion, to widespread discrimination.

And I say that this simply isn’t happening.

I also say that your military experience and DADT have nothing to do with what’s being discussed here and that I can counter your example with one of my own, an extremely competent corporate manager who was sent to a tiny red-state town known for its intolerance to turn that corporation’s local store around, which she did despite being openly and obviously a lesbian. And the town loved her, especially the school district.

So…so much for one example, right?
 
nota bene said:
If you're aware of people who are fighting against employment anti-discrimination laws, please clue me in. I haven't heard of anybody who is, and I've never seen racial/orientation/religious/nationality, etc. discrimination in any of my workplaces. Maybe it's different for non-professional employees, but I've worked alongside secularists, people of various faiths, and also gays and straights and have never seen it. I have been forced to take significant training on discrimination laws and assume that others routinely take similar HR training.

Yes, I did “ask it as a widespread” thing; I used the plural “employees.” That’s nice that you’ve found one atypical example of a lesbian sheriff allegedly fired for being gay in a North Carolina town whose population is only 1368, but this is hardly representative. Page’s statement was about gays and trans being fired in multiple states for being gay; she’s referring, at least in my opinion, to widespread discrimination.

And I say that this simply isn’t happening.

I also say that your military experience and DADT have nothing to do with what’s being discussed here and that I can counter your example with one of my own, an extremely competent corporate manager who was sent to a tiny red-state town known for its intolerance to turn that corporation’s local store around, which she did despite being openly and obviously a lesbian. And the town loved her, especially the school district.

So…so much for one example, right?
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No, it isn't "so much for one example". Those things are happening in other places, even if they are not happening as often as in the past. Here's some from just two years ago.

Meet the People Fired for Being LGBT in 2013 | Advocate.com

Notice something about most of these people? They mostly worked in education or coaching. It is happening. It isn't going to happen in large numbers because of many reasons (although we may see an increase in firings in many states that were forced to allow same sex couples to marry since now they can claim their spouses legally in their jobs).

And pushing to pass laws for religious exemptions in public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws are at least one way people are trying to get around laws that would otherwise not allow discrimination against in employment and/or housing or other areas covered by such laws.

There are also plenty of states that have laws that do specifically target homosexuality, or work towards attempts to circumvent recent (as in the last 10-12 years) SCOTUS decisions that advanced gay rights.

The 5 Worst States for LGBT People | Rolling Stone

And relatively speaking, discrimination based on race or gender or religion shouldn't reasonably happen either, but that doesn't stop us from having protections for those characteristics still exist in our laws. It is a precaution because there still are people who would fire or not hire people for being black/white/Asian, a woman/a man, Jewish/Muslim/atheist, disabled, or so many other things that are protected if given the chance. I'm willing to bet there are employers who would not hire me due to my reserve status if not for laws that specifically protect me from employers who would consider my status too much of a burden. And at least my situation can reasonably be seen as a burden to employers, unlike things like race, religion, sex, or sexuality.
 
nota bene said:
If you're aware of people who are fighting against employment anti-discrimination laws, please clue me in.
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LMAO
remind us what you said earlier about people being topically misinformed.. . .. . .or low informed. The whole topic of this thread (which you have been dodging and trying your desperate strawman deflection) is about people trying to fight those things . . many of the various "gays are evil" acts . . oh sorry . . .i mean "religious freedom acts" (you know how the thread started) want to allow just that. Oh thats right i guess objective people are supposed to buy its actually about religious rights and freedoms even though none of them have factually been changed by SSM or discrimination laws, but they don't. They know the truth. It doesnt get any more misinformed on this topic than thinking/claiming nobody is fighting against gay rights or even more specifically anti-discrimination laws. WOW But i guess when a persons views dont care about the equal rights of others then its easily ignored.
 
roguenuke said:
No, it isn't "so much for one example". Those things are happening in other places, even if they are not happening as often as in the past. Here's some from just two years ago.

Meet the People Fired for Being LGBT in 2013 | Advocate.com

Notice something about most of these people? They mostly worked in education or coaching. It is happening. It isn't going to happen in large numbers because of many reasons (although we may see an increase in firings in many states that were forced to allow same sex couples to marry since now they can claim their spouses legally in their jobs).

And pushing to pass laws for religious exemptions in public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws are at least one way people are trying to get around laws that would otherwise not allow discrimination against in employment and/or housing or other areas covered by such laws.

There are also plenty of states that have laws that do specifically target homosexuality, or work towards attempts to circumvent recent (as in the last 10-12 years) SCOTUS decisions that advanced gay rights.

The 5 Worst States for LGBT People | Rolling Stone

And relatively speaking, discrimination based on race or gender or religion shouldn't reasonably happen either, but that doesn't stop us from having protections for those characteristics still exist in our laws. It is a precaution because there still are people who would fire or not hire people for being black/white/Asian, a woman/a man, Jewish/Muslim/atheist, disabled, or so many other things that are protected if given the chance. I'm willing to bet there are employers who would not hire me due to my reserve status if not for laws that specifically protect me from employers who would consider my status too much of a burden. And at least my situation can reasonably be seen as a burden to employers, unlike things like race, religion, sex, or sexuality.
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Umm, do you notice one striking detail in your evidence? All of them deny the reasons stated for their firings, and claim discrimination instead. Also worthy of noting is that none of the employers were taken to task for their blatant discrimination. You're going to have to do better, Rogue, MUCH better.

Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Umm, do you notice one striking detail in your evidence? All of them deny the reasons stated for their firings, and claim discrimination instead. Also worthy of noting is that none of the employers were taken to task for their blatant discrimination. You're going to have to do better, Rogue, MUCH better.

Tim-
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The teacher in Ohio was fired under an immorality clause, not disputed. The principal after, the district refuses to say why he was fired, didn't get his contract renewed. The next several teachers again fired under an immorality issue. The next teacher's firing seems to be due to retaliation. The next one is a coach contending he was fired for being married to a man. And the last one is another morality clause violation. You may have been better off pointing out that the morality clause ones are private religious schools rather than trying to go the route of them contesting why they were fired. The only one that sounds suspicious is the convenience store one and even then it is still possible that is why he was fired.
 
AGENT J said:
Yeah The ISIS and IRAN stuff was great, going to that topic from the questions asked is almost as the transition to "hitler" on some other political topics, Pure desperation.
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Yeah a hitler reference would have been classic! hahaha
 
nota bene said:
Are you trying to put me on trial here? Back off, little sister.

Page says at the 1:29 mark that in some states LGBT people can be fired just for being gay or "trans." This is what I was responding to. I'd like to see some evidence of that.
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So you don't want to answer? why? Ill ask you again, how do you feel about the idea of gays being fired just for being gay. Are you dodging like he did? The question doesn't change, you get that right? How do you feel about gays being able to marry are you glad that right is now protected for them? Did you support it?
 
LaylaWindu said:
Yeah a hitler reference would have been classic! hahaha
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How anybody could even suggest he didnt dodge and go off topic is beyond me . .. ISIS... SMH
 
AGENT J said:
How anybody could even suggest he didnt dodge and go off topic is beyond me . .. ISIS... SMH
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I have no clue, no clue at all. This is why even though I can admit I lean right I claim independant. I just don't like the sheep clothing. While I do have some bias to the right I could never be so blind and mendacious to claim he didn't go off topic and doge the question.
 
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