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ISIS seen building capacity for mass casualty attacks

Sooo.... You want them gone, and have no opinion on anything else? You know, actually how to do it?

Sure I do. But I'm not a general. The generals are a lot smarter than I am, when it comes to things like "how to do it". I suggest we defer to the experts in that area. Your task and mine, is the political will - the "civilian side".
 
So. What should we be doing that we are not doing now in your opinion?
Let Special Forces go work with the Kurds as well as the Iraqi army to take the fight to ISIS. Similiar to what we did in Afghanistsn at the start. Don't make them stay on the FOB or miles behind the front like they have to do now. Pretty much all we are doing now is calling in CAS from the extreme rear and flying Preds.
 
Let Special Forces go work with the Kurds as well as the Iraqi army to take the fight to ISIS..

Obama doesn't want us working or arming the Kurds. He does, however, want them to get bombed by Turkey.
 
Good point.
Wasn't King Abdullah of Jordan going to personally attack IS until "..we run out of fuel and bullets..."?
Haven't heard much about him lately.......
Running out of fuel and bullets in an area awash with weaponry would seem to be a difficult task.
Maybe the king just got tired.

He was taking a nap last time I checked. He was Jor-done from all of those sorties on ISIS. :mrgreen:
 
So you prefer the Obama Method: Ignore the problem and hope it goes away?

Obama has been "ignoring the problem"? Also how has the "problem" been going away? Oh wait.... Its not... But instead, I guess choosing the action which created the "problem" is clearly the good choice!
 
They were minor characters until Obama ceded Iraq to them, dismissing them as "the jv team".

Obama acted stupidly when he said this, didn't he?

"Minor characters"!?!? They were ****ing Al-Qaeda in Iraq.....
 
Sure I do. But I'm not a general. The generals are a lot smarter than I am, when it comes to things like "how to do it". I suggest we defer to the experts in that area. Your task and mine, is the political will - the "civilian side".

That doesnt mean you should simply rely upon authority because even genearls have different opinions of what to do. And also military action is simply not just left to genearls. Its alos a political decision.
 
That doesnt mean you should simply rely upon authority because even genearls have different opinions of what to do. And also military action is simply not just left to genearls. Its alos a political decision.

Its ultimately a political decision-which is why Obama ceded Iraq to ISIS.

If the military had been able to get what they want, we'd be in Iraq and there would be peace there today.
 
Its not the same organization merely under a different name. Different philosophy, tactics, etc. They are distinct.

:doh :doh
"In 2013, the group once known as al-Qaeda in Iraq — now based in both Syria and Iraq — rebranded as ISIS.

Tension grew between ISIS and al-Qaeda, and they divorced in February 2014. "Over the years, there have been many signs that the relationship between al Qaeda Central (AQC) and the group's strongest, most unruly franchise was strained," Barak Mendelsohn, a political scientist at Haverford College, writes. Their relationship "had always been more a matter of mutual interests than of shared ideology."

According to Mendelsohn, disagreements over Syria pushed that relationship to the breaking point. ISIS claimed that it controlled Jabhat al-Nusra, the official al-Qaeda faction in Syria, and it defied orders from al-Qaeda's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to back off. "This was the first time a leader of an al-Qaeda franchise had publicly disobeyed," he says. ISIS also defied repeated orders to kill fewer civilians in Syria, and the tensions led to al-Qaeda disavowing any connection with ISIS in a February communiqué." ISIS used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq - 17 things about ISIS and Iraq you need to know - Vox
Al-Qaeda was the father of ISIS.
 
:doh :doh
"In 2013, the group once known as al-Qaeda in Iraq — now based in both Syria and Iraq — rebranded as ISIS.

Tension grew between ISIS and al-Qaeda, and they divorced in February 2014. "Over the years, there have been many signs that the relationship between al Qaeda Central (AQC) and the group's strongest, most unruly franchise was strained," Barak Mendelsohn, a political scientist at Haverford College, writes. Their relationship "had always been more a matter of mutual interests than of shared ideology."

According to Mendelsohn, disagreements over Syria pushed that relationship to the breaking point. ISIS claimed that it controlled Jabhat al-Nusra, the official al-Qaeda faction in Syria, and it defied orders from al-Qaeda's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to back off. "This was the first time a leader of an al-Qaeda franchise had publicly disobeyed," he says. ISIS also defied repeated orders to kill fewer civilians in Syria, and the tensions led to al-Qaeda disavowing any connection with ISIS in a February communiqué." ISIS used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq - 17 things about ISIS and Iraq you need to know - Vox


Al-Qaeda was the father of ISIS.

Which changes my statement in any way how?
 
Its ultimately a political decision-which is why Obama ceded Iraq to ISIS.
:doh You make it sound like Obama purposely allowed ISIS to control much of northern Iraq? Is this your position? And if so, where is direct proof?

If the military had been able to get what they want, we'd be in Iraq and there would be peace there today.
:lamo You are so ****ing delusional.. Are you serious? You think there was "peace" in ****ing Iraq when we were there? Are you ****ing kidding? We were the ones that lead to the EXPLOSION of violence in Iraq. We were the ones that lead to the civil war in Iraq, which is ****ing continuing..
 
Which changes my statement in any way how?

"Its not the same organization merely under a different name."
--In 2013, the group once known as al-Qaeda in Iraq — now based in both Syria and Iraq — rebranded as ISIS.--
 
Its not the same organization merely under a different name. Different philosophy, tactics, etc. They are distinct.

The founders of ISIS learned their trade fighting Americans and are a creation of the U.S occupation of Iraq. Don't try and weasel out of it. They also control 30% LESS territory than when Obama started the air war against them so "doing nothing" has been a success. The problem now is how to stem the tide of new recruits.
 
Washington (CNN)Some in the U.S. intelligence community warn that ISIS may be working to build the capability to carry out mass casualty attacks, a significant departure from the terror group's current focus on encouraging lone wolf attacks, a senior U.S. intelligence official told CNN on Friday.

To date, the intelligence view has been that ISIS is focused on less ambitious attacks, involving one or a small group of attackers armed with simple weapons. In contrast, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP, has been viewed as both more focused on -- and more capable of -- mass casualty attacks, such as plots on commercial aviation. Now the intelligence community is divided.

Meanwhile, the U.S. effort to train rebels in Syria to fight ISIS is having trouble. The few rebels that the U.S. has put through training are already in disarray, with defense officials telling CNN that up to half are missing, having deserted soon after training or having been captured after last week's attack by the al-Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front attack on a rebel site.

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ISIS seen building capacity for mass casualty attacks - CNNPolitics.com

How long until Obama gets serious about ISIS? The left is incapable of addressing threats.

What? The "JV Team"?

Hussein Obama killed Osama, and with it The War on Terror is officially over.

After their years of idiocy trying to bring down Bush43, Obama and Libs cannot act in a responsible manner. No way. No chance. That would be reveal their idiocy was wrong.

ISIS will continue to make gains as Obama Sleeps.

Obama... usually the least knowledgeable person in any room he enters... and he's our leader.
 
What? The "JV Team"?

Hussein Obama killed Osama, and with it The War on Terror is officially over.

After their years of idiocy trying to bring down Bush43, Obama and Libs cannot act in a responsible manner. No way. No chance. That would be reveal their idiocy was wrong.

ISIS will continue to make gains as Obama Sleeps.

Obama... usually the least knowledgeable person in any room he enters... and he's our leader.

He may be our "leader", but he's no leader.

Talk about a failure to confront our nations threats.
 
How long until Obama gets serious about ISIS? The left is incapable of addressing threats.

Well, some of the top commanders in ISIS are former top men in the pre 2003 Iraqi Army. ISIS is not the biggest threat to the US and its Gulf allies and Turkey. Rather it is the biggest threat to the majority of the Iraqis, who are considered apostates for being Shia. And they are doing most of the fighting.

The US pushed the new Iraqi army for inclusiveness. Result: turncoats and traitors in Mosul who delivered Mosul to ISIS on a silver platter.
 
I want us to occupy what is the defacto state known as ISIS, and in doing so-critically destroy what is obviously a threat.

The people who challenged the US presence in Iraq the most are now doing the fighting against Shia. The terrorists who targeted Iraqi civilians for years targeted a community which is now looking at Iran for salvation, wary of the dirty games played by the Gulf allies of the West.
 
He was taking a nap last time I checked. He was Jor-done from all of those sorties on ISIS. :mrgreen:

Jordan cannot be seen doing the bidding of "dirty Alawites " and "rafidah Shia" of Iraq. Eliminating an orthodox Sunni rebel group which is now the most effective group fighting Iranian influence... Even though IS does consider the Hashemites apostates.

Obama doesn't want us working or arming the Kurds. He does, however, want them to get bombed by Turkey.

Yeah Kurds seem the best option for the US, effective fighting force, the Iraqi Kurds are pretty pro-American as it gets in the region. The Syrian Kurds know well how to fight ISIS, but they are essentially the paramilitary branch of a socialist populist movement. Still, the most reliable group out there for the US. Turkey is attacking the PKK in Iraq, only a minority of the Kurds fight in thri ranks. Dominant group is the peshmerga and they arent being bombed by Turkey.

The founders of ISIS learned their trade fighting Americans and are a creation of the U.S occupation of Iraq. Don't try and weasel out of it. They also control 30% LESS territory than when Obama started the air war against them so "doing nothing" has been a success. The problem now is how to stem the tide of new recruits.

Before the US invasion of Iraq, Saddam started to allow more religious officers in the army as a move away from secularization in order to apease more conservative elements in society. So not only did these future terrorists gain experience fighting the US in Iraq, before that they became part of the system and established an impressive network.

ISIS Top Brass Is Iraqi Army's Former Best and Brightest Features Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News Interesting article
 
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