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Inspectors find violations at 4 Planned Parenthood clinics.....

MMC said:
Even the trash should be labeled, Right?



Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush condemned the group on the presidential campaign trail Tuesday, and U.S. Rep. David Jolly filed a bill to stop federal funding for the organization. Republican governors in Texas, Kansas and Louisiana have started state investigations, as well.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is still reviewing a request by state Rep. Charles McBurney, R-Jacksonville, that they open a criminal investigation into any wrongdoing by the organization in Florida.

"The videotapes, I believe, give the reasonable suspicion that warrants an investigation," McBurney said.....snip~

Planned Parenthood investigation ordered by Gov. Rick Scott finds violations at four clinics | Tampa Bay Times
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Awe, come on. If you're going to kill them and can't sell the pieces? Why bother with tags before throwing them out? ;)
 
tres borrachos said:
He can't personally attest to something that he can't personally attest to, especially because his father or mother worked there.

That would be like me personally attesting to the fact that no company cooks their books because my father didn't allow it to happen at his company.
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Dear lord, your ability to come up with a proper analogy is severely lacking. You are also making a rather large deal out of a fairly minor point.

Violations of medical regulations occur all the time. I know this fact because I have had personal interactions with someone who personally dealt with those violations and attempting to comply with those violations. I also know this fact because I have studied medical malpractice, because it is public record, because there are reports of such violations in the media, and because it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. If you don't want to accept my personal relationship to a medical administrator as proof, then feel free to use one of the other FOUR reasons that I just cited.

Do you really disbelieve that health regulations get violated by hospitals? No?

Then seriously, stop taking issue with the one anecdotal reason that I happened to cite for why I know such a fact exists.
 
Crovax said:
You dont have to be a son of a hospital administrator to figure out that what MrT is saying is true. If you have ever been involved in the business world in nearly any capacity you know what he is talking about. From a regulatory standpoint, my job running a retail store that also sells and serves food, is pretty minor but we are always probably in violation of some regulation. However they are usually minor and quickly fixable.

I see the labeling and dating violation as something minor that was just a mistake but the preforming a procedure they arent licensed for is a huge one that should have never occurred and certainly doesnt fall under the, "no big deal we are always in violation of a regulation" attitude.
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According to the report, the penalty for violating performing a procedure that falls outside the realm of their licensing is a 500$ fine per violation. That seems fairly small in the grand scheme of things. But regardless, the reasoning offered by PP in defense of the violation is that the AHCA is relying on a newly updated and unreported version of their own previous interpretation of what qualifies as "first trimester." The PP spokesperson used the fact that the AHCA conducted an investigation two weeks prior and found no violations as evidence that the adjustment to the interpretation was new and unusual.

I will follow the US judicial system and presume that PP is innocent until proven guilty - especially in light of the fact that PP has offered a reasonable defense.
 
MrT said:
Dear lord, your ability to come up with a proper analogy is severely lacking. You are also making a rather large deal out of a fairly minor point.

Violations of medical regulations occur all the time. I know this fact because I have had personal interactions with someone who personally dealt with those violations and attempting to comply with those violations. I also know this fact because I have studied medical malpractice, because it is public record, because there are reports of such violations in the media, and because it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. If you don't want to accept my personal relationship to a medical administrator as proof, then feel free to use one of the other FOUR reasons that I just cited.

Do you really disbelieve that health regulations get violated by hospitals? No?

Then seriously, stop taking issue with the one anecdotal reason that I happened to cite for why I know such a fact exists.
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Violations of any regulations happen all the time. They happen in banks and in hospitals and in restaurants and in supermarkets and in airline factories and in food factories and in car assembly plants. Do you believe that you have the inside scoop on something that the rest of the world doesn't know?

You know what you know for the same reason we all know it. Your anecdote about attesting to something because your Daddy worked in one was ridiculous, and you know it was. You should have just said that there are violations in every industry and not pretend you had some sort of insider knowledge because of your parent. Your post was absurd.
 
Who cares if there are violations? Chopping babies up in pieces and selling the remains is a critical womens health issue or something.

If you are against Planned Parenthood you clearly hate women and dont want them to have health care....never mind that Planned Parenthood doesnt even do mammograms, that is not important at all...
 
WSUwarrior said:
Who cares if there are violations? Chopping babies up in pieces and selling the remains is a critical womens health issue or something.

If you are against Planned Parenthood you clearly hate women and dont want them to have health care....never mind that Planned Parenthood doesnt even do mammograms, that is not important at all...
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Congress cares.....as they can use any violations to reinforce the case to defund PP.
 
WSUwarrior said:
Who cares if there are violations? Chopping babies up in pieces and selling the remains is a critical womens health issue or something.

If you are against Planned Parenthood you clearly hate women and dont want them to have health care....never mind that Planned Parenthood doesnt even do mammograms, that is not important at all...
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But republicans support PP.

In the 1950s, Prescott Bush (R-Conn.) was elected to the U.S. Senate twice, but he narrowly lost his first bid for statewide office in 1950. At the time, Bush drew criticism from church officials in Connecticut for his support of Planned Parenthood.
 
Montecresto said:
But republicans support PP.

In the 1950s, Prescott Bush (R-Conn.) was elected to the U.S. Senate twice, but he narrowly lost his first bid for statewide office in 1950. At the time, Bush drew criticism from church officials in Connecticut for his support of Planned Parenthood.
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One guy 60 years ago? Are you even serious right now? :lamo
 
WSUwarrior said:
One guy 60 years ago? Are you even serious right now? :lamo
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No no, not just one guy, papa BUSH!!!!!!!

President Richard Nixon signed family-planning legislation in 1970 that authorized federal funding for groups such as Planned Parenthood, :shock: which Republicans now want to cut. Former Sen. Barry Goldwater’s wife, Peggy, was a founding member of Planned Parenthood in Arizona. And George H.W. Bush, as a Republican Congressman from Houston, spoke so frequently on the House floor about the issue that he was tagged with an eyebrow-raising nickname.

Fetal tissue research is legal in all but a handful of states, and it has been conducted in the United States, with federal support, for decades, except for a brief moratorium on the use of National Institutes of Health funds in the 1980s. It is regulated by federal law, and was funded by the Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama administrations, most recently to the tune of about $76 million per year.
 
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Here is a link to the AHCA's report which cited two procedures, stating the gestational age was 13.4 weeks and 13.3 weeks.

http://ahca.myflorida.com/Executive/Communications/Press_Releases/pdf/PlannedParenthoodReports.pdf


The Director of Compliance Quality and Risk Management for Planned Parenthood in Florida stated she uses chapter 59A-9 (14)(a) which states the first 12 weeks of pregnancy is the first 14 completed weeks from the last normal menstrual period.

I cannot find that chapter or that definition.

http://www.fhea.org/chapter59.pdf



Being a guy and not knowing too much about pregnancy and abortion, I found differing opinions on when the first trimester ends and the second begins.

First trimester: 0-12 weeks
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Pregnancy Overview - Heart of Florida Regional Medical Center


Weeks 0 through 13 are known as the first trimester.
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Pre-Birth Information - Florida Pregnancy Support Services Program

Any abortion performed up to 12 weeks of pregnancy is, by definition, a first trimester procedure.

If your ultrasound evaluation reveals that you are over 12 weeks of pregnancy, the procedure becomes a second trimester procedure.
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Abortion Clinic Florida -- abortions to 12 weeks


And the last one says this...

Three different methods are used to divide up a pregnancy into the three trimesters. Each methods results in slightly different spans for the trimesters.

The development method uses the developmental stages to divide up a pregnancy. The second trimester begins at 12 weeks and the third at 27 weeks.

From LMP to 12 weeks, the embryo develops all the major organs.

From 12 weeks to 27 weeks the fetus continues developing . At 27 weeks, your baby is considered viable.

From 27 weeks on, your baby gets matures and prepares for delivery.


The gestation method divides the 40 weeks of gestation into three equal stages. Using the gestation method, the second trimester begins at 13 weeks 3 days and the third at 26 weeks 6 days.

The conception method splits the 38 weeks after conception development into the three equal trimesters. The two week before conception become part of the first trimester. With this method, the second trimester begins at 14 weeks 5 days and the third at 27 weeks 3 days.
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http://www.pregnancy.org/article/the-first-trimester
 
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Montecresto said:
But republicans support PP.

In the 1950s, Prescott Bush (R-Conn.) was elected to the U.S. Senate twice, but he narrowly lost his first bid for statewide office in 1950. At the time, Bush drew criticism from church officials in Connecticut for his support of Planned Parenthood.
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Republicans do?
 
Derp said:
Here is a link to the AHCA's report which cited two procedures, stating the gestational age was 13.4 weeks and 13.3 weeks.

http://ahca.myflorida.com/Executive/Communications/Press_Releases/pdf/PlannedParenthoodReports.pdf


The Director of Compliance Quality and Risk Management for Planned Parenthood in Florida stated she uses chapter 59A-9 (14)(a) which states the first 12 weeks of pregnancy is the first 14 completed weeks from the last normal menstrual period.

I cannot find that chapter or that definition.

http://www.fhea.org/chapter59.pdf



Being a guy and not knowing too much about pregnancy and abortion, I found differing opinions on when the first trimester ends and the second begins.



Pregnancy Overview - Heart of Florida Regional Medical Center




Pre-Birth Information - Florida Pregnancy Support Services Program




Abortion Clinic Florida -- abortions to 12 weeks


And the last one says this...
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My obstetricians advised me that I was at a higher risk for miscarriage (which I already had a few of) until after my first trimester. Because of that my husband & I wanted to wait to tell people. When I asked what the first trimester was, I was told 12 weeks.

And actually I think babies are viable earlier than 27 weeks. You don't want to deliver one that early but they can and do survive.
 
tres borrachos said:
My obstetricians advised me that I was at a higher risk for miscarriage (which I already had a few of) until after my first trimester. Because of that my husband & I wanted to wait to tell people. When I asked what the first trimester was, I was told 12 weeks.
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Yes, I read that also in my searches.
 
Montecresto said:
But republicans support PP.

In the 1950s, Prescott Bush (R-Conn.) was elected to the U.S. Senate twice, but he narrowly lost his first bid for statewide office in 1950. At the time, Bush drew criticism from church officials in Connecticut for his support of Planned Parenthood.
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Oh you, had to go back to the Bush family when Mark Kirk in 2015 supported PP. Imagine that.

Did you need to see the Demos that support defunding PP?
 
MMC said:
Oh you, had to go back to the Bush family when Mark Kirk in 2015 supported PP. Imagine that.

Did you need to see the Demos that support defunding PP?
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I'm sure there are democratic legislators that support that as they supported Bush's folly in Iraq, too.
 
Montecresto said:
I'm sure there are democratic legislators that support that as they supported Bush's folly in Iraq, too.
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Yeah and I am sure you know them to. Its why I reminded you about them. I'm good like that. ;)
 
MMC said:
Yeah and I am sure you know them to. Its why I reminded you about them. I'm good like that. ;)
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I've pointed out the very narrow differences between the ass and the elephant since I've been here, this you know for a fact. So what's your point besides, you're a partisan on a hunt.
 
Montecresto said:
I've pointed out the very narrow differences between the ass and the elephant since I've been here, this you know for a fact. So what's your point besides, you're a partisan on a hunt.
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All politics are partisan except when they are bipartisan. I think the bottomline is PP doesn't need any Federal funding or state funding and they can just accept standing on their own and whatever donations they can muster up.
 
MMC said:
All politics are partisan except when they are bipartisan. I think the bottomline is PP doesn't need any Federal funding or state funding and they can just accept standing on their own and whatever donations they can muster up.
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Oh **** that. No freak hanging of the right cliff by their fingernails is going to be deciding women's health in America. Planned Parenthood has had GOPer support throughout its history with little exception. Many of whom disagreed with you about federal funding for it.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh **** that. No freak hanging of the right cliff by their fingernails is going to be deciding women's health in America. Planned Parenthood has had GOPer support throughout its history with little exception. Many of whom disagreed with you about federal funding for it.
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Yeah your Right, Women like Carly Fiorina and Katie Pavlich as well as others will be assisting in that endeavor. So no freaks.

Well as you watch those States Defund them you can keep that thought. While keeping up with how they are looking to change that.

Btw another State defunds them. New Hampshire. Imagine that.



New Hampshire Defunds Planned Parenthood....

So, in the wake of Center for Medical Progress’ Planned Parenthood videos, New Hampshire has decided to defund the organization (via WMUR):

New Hampshire's Republican-led Executive Council rejected $639,000 in state funding for Planned Parenthood along party lines Wednesday amid a renewed national debate over whether the organization should receive public money......snip~

New Hampshire Defunds Planned Parenthood - Matt Vespa
 
MMC said:
Yeah your Right, Women like Carly Fiorina and Katie Pavlich as well as others will be assisting in that endeavor. So no freaks.

Well as you watch those States Defund them you can keep that thought. While keeping up with how they are looking to change that.

Btw another State defunds them. New Hampshire. Imagine that.



New Hampshire Defunds Planned Parenthood....

So, in the wake of Center for Medical Progress’ Planned Parenthood videos, New Hampshire has decided to defund the organization (via WMUR):

New Hampshire's Republican-led Executive Council rejected $639,000 in state funding for Planned Parenthood along party lines Wednesday amid a renewed national debate over whether the organization should receive public money......snip~

New Hampshire Defunds Planned Parenthood - Matt Vespa
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Yeah a republican led effort there. We'll see what happens when it comes time to vote.
 
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