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Flag burners get attacked by bikers[W:634]

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The First Amendment guarantees flag-burning against government. It does not guarantee the safety of flag burners from attack by outraged Americans. It's hardly a surprise these shameful specimens ran from a fight.
 
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The First Amendment guarantees flag-burning against government. It does not guarantee the safety of flag burners from attack by outraged Americans. It's hardly a surprise these shameful specimens ran from a fight.

Shameful specimens for exercising their civil liberty. Says the advocate of all free speech save that which hurts his feelings.
 
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Had to do a double and triple take at the hairy dude in the skirt.

He's a disgrace to transsexuals everywhere.
 
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The First Amendment guarantees flag-burning against government. It does not guarantee the safety of flag burners from attack by outraged Americans. It's hardly a surprise these shameful specimens ran from a fight.

That's what local laws on assault, etc are for.
 
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Flag burning is a protected right, as much as I and others don't like it. However physically attacking someone for doing something you don't like is in fact, not protected.[/QUOTE]

Fixed it for you HLG!

Its still wrong, protected or not. You just took my point, reworded it, and proved it again. What are you a magician?
 
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Shameful specimens for exercising their civil liberty. Says the advocate of all free speech save that which hurts his feelings.

In other threads, soe posters have gone on and on about the right to expression for those who want to discriminate against gays. Then they go on to rant about how the left wants to eliminate that right for those they disagree with

Ironic, huh?

And it's not as if they don't understand that flag burning is protected by the constitution; It's that they really don't care. The constitution is only important when it supports their opinion. Otherwise, it is to be ignored:

I think the strongest First Amendment argument in these cases is one based on government-compelled speech. The Supreme Court has made clear in a line of decisions--Barnette, Wooley, Tornillo, Pruneyard Shopping Center, Hurley--that government action which compels a person to express or endorse views he does not agree with presumptively violates the First Amendment's guarantee of the freedom of speech. The Court has also made clear that the freedom of speech includes the freedom not to speak, and that "speech," for First Amendment purpose, includes a wide range of expressive and symbolic acts. Topless dancing and flag-burning are examples of constitutionally-protected speech. And views expressed in writing or symbols on a cake, or expressed symbolically in its form, would almost certainly qualify.
 
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Looks like the protesters got what they deserved. ;)

Yeah people who exercise their first amendment rights deserve to be assaulted if I disagree with them.
 
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Right, violence is patriotic. :roll:

And people wonder what's wrong with America.
 
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Shameful specimens for exercising their civil liberty. Says the advocate of all free speech save that which hurts his feelings.

It is never shameful for any American to exercise his constitutional rights. It is always shameful for any American to hate and condemn his own country. To hell with these cowards, and may all the others like them who are taking up space in this great country join then there.
 
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Many Americans feel personally attacked when some asshole burns the American flag. Why should these attacks on this country be pleasant for the flag burners?

For the past fifty years, the politicians have been too anxious to find the right to destroy America a positive thing, an admirable goal to be respected, regardless of how the majority feel about it. It's time the America haters found out how we feel about them. I salute the biker's actions in this event.

The bikers had every right to have their own counter protest. To stand there and use their own 1st Amendment rights to call the flag burners traitors or whatever they felt.

Instead they decided to be thugs and commit assault. Not exactly praise worthy.
 
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A group of law abiding citizens is attacked by a mob of right wing thugs, and unsurprisingly, some DPers approve

Many consider flag burning a desecration, yet they then cry freedom of speech in other situations.
I think flag burners are idiots. That said, still their right.
 
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It is never shameful for any American to exercise his constitutional rights. It is always shameful for any American to hate and condemn his own country....

It is never shameful for any American to exercise his constitutional rights unless its an opinion you don't like.
 
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It is never shameful for any American to exercise his constitutional rights unless its an opinion you don't like.

We are so headed for fascism, it must be right around the corner.
 
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It is never shameful for any American to exercise his constitutional rights. It is always shameful for any American to hate and condemn his own country. To hell with these cowards, and may all the others like them who are taking up space in this great country join then there.

Well hell being mythical aside. In the exercise of free speech, somebody's always going to offend you. If you want to prohibit that which offends you, and the next guy wants to prohibit speech that offends him, soon all speech is prohibited. See how that doesn't work. Btw, the symbolism of burning the American flag isn't a declaration of hatred of America. People always use "America" too broadly. For all we know, those folks love all manor of Americana, but simply oppose armed police officers due to the high numbers of unlawful killings by them. I don't like US flag burning, have never burned one, and I don't want to disarm our police, but I see no problem with these people or their demonstration.
 
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Many consider flag burning a desecration, yet they then cry freedom of speech in other situations.
I think flag burners are idiots. That said, still their right.

Exactly, idiotic way to demonstrate ones civil liberty, nevertheless..............
 
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The bikers had every right to have their own counter protest. To stand there and use their own 1st Amendment rights to call the flag burners traitors or whatever they felt.

Instead they decided to be thugs and commit assault. Not exactly praise worthy.

"First Amendment rights don't seem to work for the Right, while the various disaffected hate groups on the Left have been very successful at using the First Amendment to transform America into the disaster that it is today. Perhaps more stringent measures are required. Nobody actually got hurt, did they?
 
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It is never shameful for any American to exercise his constitutional rights unless its an opinion you don't like.

That is an opinion most pseudo-liberals obviously hold. As a true liberal, I could not disagree with it more strongly.
 
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In the exercise of free speech, somebody's always going to offend you. If you want to prohibit that which offends you, and the next guy wants to prohibit speech that offends him, soon all speech is prohibited. See how that doesn't work.

If I should ever feel the need for your wikilaw instruction on the meaning of the First Amendment, I will let you know.

Btw, the symbolism of burning the American flag isn't a declaration of hatred of America.

I believe it is exactly that. Next you'll be trying to tell us that the members of a Nazi group are not declaring their hatred of Jews by wiping their muddy shoes on an image of the Star of David.

People always use "America" too broadly. For all we know, those folks love all manor of Americana, but simply oppose armed police officers due to the high numbers of unlawful killings by them.

I have another explanation, the obvious one--they are disloyal bastards who live in this country and take advantage of it, even while they continually run it down and carry water for its enemies.

I don't like US flag burning, have never burned one, and I don't want to disarm our police, but I see no problem with these people or their demonstration.

I am sure everyone who has read your many other posts knows how much you like this country. And I am sure they will take your noble defense of the freedom of speech for all it is worth.
 
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If I should ever feel the need for your wikilaw instruction on the meaning of the First Amendment, I will let you know.



I believe it is exactly that. Next you'll be trying to tell us that the members of a Nazi group are not declaring their hatred of Jews by wiping their muddy shoes on an image of the Star of David.



I have another explanation, the obvious one--they are disloyal bastards who live in this country and take advantage of it, even while they continually run it down and carry water for its enemies.



I am sure everyone who has read your many other posts knows how much you like this country. And I am sure they will take your noble defense of the freedom of speech for all it is worth.

A citizen is not disloyal when demonstrating against what they feel to be wrong with a Govt policy. The Vietnam War was one that I can refer to. Iraq War 2 another.
Flag burners as many on the so called left have stated are idiots, but they are not breaking any laws.
 
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"First Amendment rights don't seem to work for the Right, while the various disaffected hate groups on the Left have been very successful at using the First Amendment to transform America into the disaster that it is today. Perhaps more stringent measures are required. Nobody actually got hurt, did they?

^ that must be a contender for most stupid post on the internet
 
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Eh. Quite frankly, I think there are quite a few people in this country who could benefit having some sense and common courtesy forcibly knocked into them.

One of the primary downsides of "civilization" has always been its tendency to coddle preening morons and allow their destructive and disruptive antics free expression. To paraphrase a famous quote here, "every move society has made to limit the power of physically strong psychopaths has simply made it that much easier for cunning psychopaths to seize power instead."

Every once in a while, a solid punch in the face is really the only response a certain situation calls for.
 
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A group of law abiding citizens is attacked by a mob of right wing thugs, and unsurprisingly, some DPers approve

I would swear out a warrant on each of them and file a civil suit as well. In court we would find out who the real ******s are. :lamo
 
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Right because bike gangs are really the image of "patriotism" we need to regale... NOT! They're quite often criminals, murderers, drugs dealers, .... really, this is somehow good?

And protesting police brutality is saying that the police should do their jobs properly, not that police should disappear. The only way these protesters would be hypocrites is if after the bikers were in hand cuffs or detained, the protesters suggested they should be mistreated, artificially set up to appear guilty, tased, shot, sodomized with inanimate objects, .... I don't think they did that. People protest abuses by police, not the concept of police over all.

You folks are just so black and white in your thinking... police can do no wrong, and anyone who wants the police to obey the laws and honorable conduct somehow want the police to disappear and do nothing.

Such childish perspectives.
What great irony!
 
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I am surprised at the posts on here. Some of them I want to disagree with and can't. This whole situation is like stupid collides with stupid. Nether side is actually thinking. Drama meets drama. I have a hard time relating to either side in this one. I think that is a good thing.
 
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