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Flag burners get attacked by bikers[W:634]

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justabubba said:
why is it not peaceful?

do we have to protect people from their hurt feelings. from their sense of being offended

where is personal responsibility in all of this, where the adults observe peaceful protest with which they object, but choose not to engage in violence because of it

this is the kind of tolerant, non-violent behavior that should have been learned in kindergarten
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What violence? FFS have you even watched the videos?
 
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NonoBadDog said:
You know, I really don't give a darn about who is wrong or right in this whole biker/flag burner thing but it is amazing how many folks make up stuff to turn up the drama.
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And it's all about the drama. These flag burners must know that their play is going to have little effect on policing anywhere but would rather hype the drama, with themselves as the stars, in order to noticed, and thus attach some importance to themselves.

They got some notice and perhaps next time they'll draw even more attention to themselves.
 
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Kobie said:
"Inciting violence" does not excuse violence that results. Nobody ever claimed it did.
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In fact some have claimed that very thing. You never saw Pamela Geller getting blamed for what happened during her Draw Mohammed Day?
 
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justabubba said:
there is nothing that says peaceful protest has to be well conceived and executed - smart - peaceful protest
can't recall among all of these posts anyone saying that the protester's actions were laudable
dumb protesters get to exercise their rights, too
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let me put it another way.

if people are holding a pro-gun rally, and one of the speakers accidentally shoots somebody in the crowd, the liberals wouldn't stop making jokes and jabs about it for WEEKS.
and if I tried to defend them you would call me an ignorant jerk for not seeing the total irony in the situation and tell me to get a life. just sayin
 
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Montecresto said:
Lol, again. Complete conjecture. You have no evidence to back up your claim, and you're opposed to free speech, something common on the right.
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You seem to feel the need to show everyone how easily amused you are. I already provided the evidence--there is no conceivable reason for anyone to burn the U.S. flag, except to express his hatred of what that flag stands for--the U.S. itself. And your claim to be defending the freedom of speech isn't fooling anyone.

I don't know who "the right" is, but no one is a stronger supporter of all the First Amendment freedoms than I am. It is anti-American communists, who claim to be "liberals" but in fact are intolerant, antidemocratic would-be gauleiters, who despise those freedoms.

That is why they dote on political correctness and lunatic campus speech codes enforced by kangaroo courts. That is why they routinely attack religious freedoms and slander believers as hateful bigots. That is why they applaud attacks on the freedom of association, like the one their president had his IRS goon squad make on groups on his political enemies list. That is why they denounce decisions like Dale, Hurley, Snyder, Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Town of Greece, and others in which the Supreme Court has forcefully upheld various First Amendment freedoms. The most common characteristics of these slack-jawed lumps in the lumpenproletariat are ignorance, intolerance, and a sullen loathing for this country and its Constitution. The only amendments the typical collectivist dim bulb hates more than the First are the Second and the Tenth.
 
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matchlight said:
You seem to feel the need to show everyone how easily amused you are. I already provided the evidence--there is no conceivable reason for anyone to burn the U.S. flag, except to express his hatred of what that flag stands for--the U.S. itself. And your claim to be defending the freedom of speech isn't fooling anyone.

I don't know who "the right" is, but no one is a stronger supporter of all the First Amendment freedoms than I am. It is anti-American communists, who claim to be "liberals" but in fact are intolerant, antidemocratic would-be gauleiters, who despise those freedoms.

That is why they dote on political correctness and lunatic campus speech codes enforced by kangaroo courts. That is why they routinely attack religious freedoms and slander believers as hateful bigots. That is why they applaud attacks on the freedom of association, like the one their president had his IRS goon squad make on groups on his political enemies list. That is why they denounce decisions like Dale, Hurley, Snyder, Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Town of Greece, and others in which the Supreme Court has forcefully upheld various First Amendment freedoms. The most common characteristics of these slack-jawed lumps in the lumpenproletariat are ignorance, intolerance, and a sullen loathing for this country and its Constitution. The only amendments the typical collectivist dim bulb hates more than the First are the Second and the Tenth.
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I can see why you don't know who "The right" are. They're so far to the left of you they're almost invisible. The rest is merely a hate-filled word salad.
 
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matchlight said:
You seem to feel the need to show everyone how easily amused you are. I already provided the evidence--there is no conceivable reason for anyone to burn the U.S. flag, except to express his hatred of what that flag stands for--the U.S. itself. And your claim to be defending the freedom of speech isn't fooling anyone.

I don't know who "the right" is, but no one is a stronger supporter of all the First Amendment freedoms than I am. It is anti-American communists, who claim to be "liberals" but in fact are intolerant, antidemocratic would-be gauleiters, who despise those freedoms.

That is why they dote on political correctness and lunatic campus speech codes enforced by kangaroo courts. That is why they routinely attack religious freedoms and slander believers as hateful bigots. That is why they applaud attacks on the freedom of association, like the one their president had his IRS goon squad make on groups on his political enemies list. That is why they denounce decisions like Dale, Hurley, Snyder, Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, Town of Greece, and others in which the Supreme Court has forcefully upheld various First Amendment freedoms. The most common characteristics of these slack-jawed lumps in the lumpenproletariat are ignorance, intolerance, and a sullen loathing for this country and its Constitution. The only amendments the typical collectivist dim bulb hates more than the First are the Second and the Tenth.
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That's not evidence that these guys were anti American communists, sorry. And if you really are an advocate for first amendment freedoms, then stop bitching about these guys expressing theirs.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
let me put it another way.

if people are holding a pro-gun rally, and one of the speakers accidentally shoots somebody in the crowd, the liberals wouldn't stop making jokes and jabs about it for WEEKS.
and if I tried to defend them you would call me an ignorant jerk for not seeing the total irony in the situation and tell me to get a life. just sayin
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ok, you intended to focus on the irony and not the stupidity
missed it
 
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Montecresto said:
Wrong again. Their stated reason for the protest was to bring attention to their grievance against armed police.
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Dont like armed police, move to England. That is a protest.
 
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justabubba said:
why is it not peaceful?

do we have to protect people from their hurt feelings. from their sense of being offended

where is personal responsibility in all of this, where the adults observe peaceful protest with which they object, but choose not to engage in violence because of it

this is the kind of tolerant, non-violent behavior that should have been learned in kindergarten
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Nope.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Dont like armed police, move to England. That is a protest.
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Oh for Pete's sake. That's no answer. Should I tell you to leave because of what you're posting at DP daily that you don't like? What a cop out. (No pun intended) So it comes out, you don't like these guys expressing their first amendment rights because of what they're protesting. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
 
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Montecresto said:
Oh for Pete's sake. That's no answer. Should I tell you to leave because of what you're posting at DP daily that you don't like? What a cop out. (No pun intended) So it comes out, you don't like these guys expressing their first amendment rights because of what they're protesting. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
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No cop out, if you want to live where police are unarmed. Move to a place where police are unarmed.
 
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justabubba said:
have you read the accounts?:
[emphasis added by bubba for the reading impaired]

NYPD Officers Save Anti-Police Flag-Burners from Angry Bikers - News - POLICE Magazine
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Lol that snippet read like a rumor. Here is the article that it cited: Weenies burn flag to protest cops, get attacked by bikers, need cops to save their asses | New York Post


I think that your definition of violence is a lot more sensitive than mine. In your world violence is aggressively objecting to something offensive apparently.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
No cop out, if you want to live where police are unarmed. Move to a place where police are unarmed.
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I'm not advocating for the police to be disarmed. And you, if you don't want to live in a place where people exercise their first amendment right, you move, say North Korea.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
No cop out, if you want to live where police are unarmed. Move to a place where police are unarmed.
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Sounds pretty logical to me. If you don't like Toyota buy a Ford. If you don't want to be a male be a female. If you don't want to be white then be black.
 
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justabubba said:
physically assaulted OK for you?


didn't take you for a semanticist
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Uhhh, I didn't find the part where anyone was assaulted. The police didn't take any action on an assault because there was no assault.
 
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humbolt said:
I've lost friends and relatives defending that flag and what it stands for. I've never been around anybody burning the flag…However, if I should run into such a thing, I will do something about it. They have a right to express themselves, and I'm honor-bound to defend that flag for the best it represents. For me, it's fine to express displeasure with this country - a fundamental right I respect. Burning the flag is pissing on the graves of those who gave their lives to support those fundamental rights, and I don't respect that at all. If an individual can't find another way to express their displeasure over this country's actions and core values, they should understand that there may be consequences, legal or not. Some fundamental beliefs transcend law and land squarely in the realm of human decency.
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Well, that is a typically constructed appeal to emotion, and not the first time I've ever heard it either.

Let me retort.

Symbolic acts can only affect you to the extent you allow them to. The flags I fought for either fly over the posts I was stationed at, or are enshrined in places of honor around the country. The flags people burn in order to incite my reaction are merely pieces of colored cloth purchased in some novelty store.

Burning such flags does not “piss on the graves” of anyone. However, using that kind of emotional appeal to justify attacking someone exercising a non-violent act of free expression is what TRULY serves to piss on the graves of those who fought and died for the right of fellow citizens to express themselves freely.

The “fundamental beliefs that transcend law and land” encompass individual liberty, which is limited only to prevent actual harm to others and/or the property of others. As I have said before, we have the right of self-defense to preserve liberty, not the right of aggressive-offense simply because we don’t like how someone else exercises their liberty in a non-violent manner.

If you don’t like watching someone burn a flag, exercise your right to walk away. If you choose to respond aggressively against a non-violent protestor then expect me (even if I don’t agree with their expression) to step up to defend their right to do so. That's what I enlisted and served my country for.
 
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Montecresto said:
I'm not advocating for the police to be disarmed. And you, if you don't want to live in a place where people exercise their first amendment right, you move, say North Korea.
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Its not a right to deliberately attempt to enrage someone.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Its not a right to deliberately attempt to enrage someone.
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Yes, American's have a right to say something that might enrage someone else. Why are you suddenly advocating for political correctness?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Well, that is a typically constructed appeal to emotion, and not the first time I've ever heard it either.

Let me retort.

Symbolic acts can only affect you to the extent you allow them to. The flags I fought for either fly over the posts I was stationed at, or are enshrined in places of honor around the country. The flags people burn in order to incite my reaction are merely pieces of colored cloth purchased in some novelty store.

Burning such flags does not “piss on the graves” of anyone. However, using that kind of emotional appeal to justify attacking someone exercising a non-violent act of free expression is what TRULY serves to piss on the graves of those who fought and died for the right of fellow citizens to express themselves freely.

The “fundamental beliefs that transcend law and land” encompass individual liberty, which is limited only to prevent actual harm to others and/or the property of others. As I have said before, we have the right of self-defense to preserve liberty, not the right of aggressive-offense simply because we don’t like how someone else exercises their liberty in a non-violent manner.

If you don’t like watching someone burn a flag, exercise your right to walk away. If you choose to respond aggressively against a non-violent protestor then expect me (even if I don’t agree with their expression) to step up to defend their right to do so. That's what I enlisted and served my country for.
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You have it 100% right on all issues of principle and rights. Nonetheless, were I to witness an attack on a flag-burner I suspect I would exercise my right to indifference.
 
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Montecresto said:
Wrong again. Their stated reason for the protest was to bring attention to their grievance against armed police.
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So they burned a flag thinking that it might prevent the police from carrying guns? Can Leftists get any more stupid than this??
 
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