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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicron View Post
    ...Thus, they started to roast the flag, but they didn’t burn it for long. One of the bikers rushed forward in a fit of rage and kicked over the grill, sending embers flying. He then doused it as members of the pro-flag crowd chanted “USA! USA!”

    The bikers then started trying to rough up the protesters — who were quickly saved by members of the same police force that they criticize.

    The protesters were shielded by the cops and escorted out of the park.

    “I served in the Marines,” said counterprotester Brian Christopher, 23. “We defend this flag. We are ready to die for it. When I see people burning it and showing complete ignorance, it’s very offensive.”

    No arrests were made in the scuffle, and the group’s flag-burning stunt went up in smoke.




    I laughed, I cried, I fell down. I was entertained.


    Yeah I know; free speech, fairness, law and order, blah blah blah.

    The bikers didn't give a ****, though. They saw something they loved under attack and acted. I have to respect that, even if they were technically in the wrong.


    And I loved seeing the flag burners outed as cowardly pussies lacking the courage to stand up.


    Yup. Highly entertaining.



    Almost as much fun as this was...


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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They saw something they loved under attack and acted. I have to respect that, even if they were technically in the wrong.
    Goshin respects thugs being thuggish when they're doing something he approves of.

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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Not so sure we should be cheering this. I do not like US flag burning either, but what concerns me more is an individual's right to do so. Agree with the decision or not, the Supreme Court has ruled on is matter. The decision went so far as to say it is unconstitutional for a government (federal, state or local) to prohibit by law the desecration of the US flag. Symbolic speech (I think that was the term used in the decision) is covered by the action, or a statement made. When we cheer the intimidation by these bikers we cheer the suppression of rights even though a government was not involved, rights come with the inherent consequence that you will not like or agree with all you hear and see on the account of others. I am all for these bikers expressing their dissatisfaction with this and making that known to these protestors, but intimidation of other's rights is a road we do not want to go down.

    Might be a story that makes you smile now (I'll admit, I did,) but it does not end well when you really think about what we are cheering.
    Yeah, I agree. One of the bikers said he served in the Marines to defend the flag. But the flag is supposed to represent freedom, so presumably he was really defending that. But what is freedom without free will? I, for one, would never burn the flag, because I know what it represents to those who've spilled blood or lost friends or loves ones defending it. But the moral force given to me to protect and honor the flag comes only when I'm given the freedom to respect it freely and not when I am compelled to do so.
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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Goshin respects thugs being thuggish when they're doing something he approves of.


    Well, mainly just when its hippies.

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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Well... I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong.

    The United States is the original "Liberal Democracy," and it had slavery for the first 80 years of its existence. Revolutionary France had slavery as well.
    Well, then you better also correct the Wikipedia entry, along with the legal definition, and who knows what other myriad of sources.

    The institution of enslaved citizens, by it's very nature, is not co-existent with Liberal Democracy. As I stated, Liberal Democracy at it's very least requires equal representation.

    Maybe you have some legal work-around for this, but it sure isn't flying here.
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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, mainly just when its hippies.
    Jesus was the ultimate hippie, and he would disapprove of you. Find another religion that suits your personality.

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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Jesus was the ultimate hippie, and he would disapprove of you. Find another religion that suits your personality.



    Nope.

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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Goshin respects thugs being thuggish when they're doing something he approves of.
    At least this time there's a white thug walking side-by-side with a black thug. Chalk one up for racial harmony.
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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Like to see them try it. I dont think you know just how ready people are for a war in this nation.
    Who wants a war? Are right wingers that butthurt over not getting their way all the time that they want a "revolution"?

    AFAIC, if you want a "revolution," get lost. Nobody will miss you.
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    Re: Flag burners get attacked by bikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Well, then you better also correct the Wikipedia entry, along with the legal definition, and who knows what other myriad of sources.

    The institution of enslaved citizens, by it's very nature, is not co-existent with Liberal Democracy. As I stated, Liberal Democracy at it's very least requires equal representation.

    Maybe you have some legal work-around for this, but it sure isn't flying here.
    Dude, I've already pointed out the problem with your reasoning here. It relies upon concepts which are entirely subjective.

    Not everyone has the same view of "human rights," "civil liberties," or "personhood" that you do, and there's really nothing (as far as Political Science is concerned) to objectively say that your definition is correct where the C.S.A.'s was not. Again, the C.S.A. actually had the same definition of these concepts that the early United States did, and the United States continued to have those definitions right up until the end of the Civil War.

    Unless you want to argue that the United States was not a founded as a "Liberal Democracy," and then magically flipped a switch and became one in 1865 (patently ridiculous on the face of things), you have no argument here.

    The basic fact of the matter is the C.S.A. was founded on the same principles as our own Constitution, as a Representative Democratic Republic. That makes it a "Liberal Democracy."
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