Flag burners get attacked by bikers[W:634]

Chomsky said:

Fair enough, but the the Supreme Court has ruled flag-burning is protected under the 1st, just the same.

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JANFU said:

I was referring to the bikers taking the law into their own hands.

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Summerwind said:

Yes, it is. Status quo is status quo, doesn't matter who's setting the rules. It's patriotic in this country to act out in order to express one's disatisfaction at the status quo, it's what this country was literally founded on. If you can't see that, I can't help you. It means you prefer the required and unrelenting obedience and submission to a government and it's entities, I'm not okay with that. Neither were our founding fathers, hence the Constitution, which protects the rights of anyone to non-violently express one's opinion.

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Marla said:

No, we give third world countries money in order to paralyze them with unrepayable debt in order to rob them of their natural resources.

You have yet to tell me what America's' traditions are. Need some help? How about obesity, poverty or having the lowest educational standards in the world. All of which are on the increase by the way.

Tell me I wrong and it's apple pie, a Chevy pick up playing Bob Seger and a god damn NFL game.

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JANFU said:

I was referring to the bikers taking the law into their own hands.

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GunFora said:

American traditional values to me are: Individual freedom, individual responsibility, hard work and sacrifice, helping others, honesty, importance of family etc.

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Deuce said:

And summer was saying that's not what they were doing, because they weren't enforcing any law or responding to any crime. They were just committing a crime.

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clownboy said:

Yes, unfortunately for quite some time now the constitution has been considered meaningless, any meaning to be supplied by the SCOTUS.

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Summerwind said:

Yes, it is. Status quo is status quo, doesn't matter who's setting the rules. It's patriotic in this country to act out in order to express one's disatisfaction at the status quo, it's what this country was literally founded on. If you can't see that, I can't help you. It means you prefer the required and unrelenting obedience and submission to a government and it's entities, I'm not okay with that. Neither were our founding fathers, hence the Constitution, which protects the rights of anyone to non-violently express one's opinion.

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GunFora said:

American traditional values to me are: Individual freedom, individual responsibility, hard work and sacrifice, helping others, honesty, importance of family etc.

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Deuce said:

Unless somebody exercises individual freedom you dislike. Then physically assault that person and run away when the cops show up.

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Summerwind said:

There would have to be a law being broken for the bikers to take the law into their own hands. No law was being broken, they very simply assaulted people. They weren't vigilantes, ie they were not being the police when the police weren't there, ie not taking the law into their own hands, because the police wouldn't have attacked or even arrested the protesters because they weren't breaking the law.

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Summerwind said:

And where are these in the Constitution? Please, I get the freedom, though YOU are the one saying people should be beaten for freeing expressing dissatisfaction, but the rest, not in the Constitution, just not there.

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CRUE CAB said:

We burned the Brit flag in an attempt to start a war, which we did, and won. Are these flag burners looking for a war.

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GunFora said:

American traditional values to me are: Individual freedom, individual responsibility, hard work and sacrifice, helping others, honesty, importance of family etc.

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GunFora said:

No, I never said "people should be beaten". The Constitution doesn't give us our American Values...you should know that.

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GunFora said:

I never condoned it. Just making it clear I can understand it.

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Marla said:

Ironic. I don't how any one of those flag burners are against any of those things.

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GunFora said:

They are of the OWS-type crowd....so likely.

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GunFora said:

The libtard flag-burners have the right to burn the flag if they so choose. The bikers have the right to disagree. Looks like the bikers won.
"law-abiding"? Did they have a permit for that open fire?

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Deuce said:

These are the values that conservatives displayed there. Conservatives have always been all about individual freedom... But only the freedom to conform to THEIR values. The second anyone dissents, it's either literally attack them, or tell them IF YA DONT LIKE AMERICA GET OUT, etc. individual freedom! Wait, gays want to marry? Did I say individual freedom? I meant WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Wait, the people voted for some Democrats? SECOND AMENDMENT REMEDIES.

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Summerwind said:

We also tarred and feathered their employees, and dumped sizeable amount of goods into the port, and a few other things. We didn't burn a flag and start a war, bingo bango just like that. I would imagine burning a flag was the very least of what we did to start that war.

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Ikari said:

They used a grill, so it was legal. The bikers do have a right to disagree, but not to assault. Justifying and excusing assault is disgusting.

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JANFU said:

We have a differing meaning / take on this saying up here.
I just posted the below.
Should clear the difference we have on this.
I was referring to the bikers taking the law into their own hands.
Where I am from, the above have a clear meaning- enforcing a law, or beating the crap out of someone. The last is illegal.

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Summerwind said:

I thought only rightwingers made up bullcrap to try to cover an obvious screw up. The law cannot be "taken into the hands" of anyone unless there's a law being broken, that's just language, not really up for debate. I can't take the law into my own hands against my rapist, unless he/she broke the law, ie raped me. A father can't take the law in to his own hands against his child's murderer, unless a law was broken, ie murder. The flag burners were not breaking any law, so the thugs couldn't be "taking the law into their own hands," because no law was broken.

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