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Flag burners get attacked by bikers[W:634]

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justabubba said:
please look at the position you are embracing:

you are advocating the legitimacy of illegal violence against peaceful protest
THAT is un-American. that is NOT what we stand for

yes, they were disrespectful. but that is not illegal. that is a legitimate form of protest. in my youth it was disrespectful for black people to eat at the same counter as whites. to use the same bathrooms and drink from the same water fountains. and because whites felt disrespected, they committed violence against those peacefully protesting blacks, who objected to such dishonorable treatment. and you would still tell us that such violence against peaceful protesters is justified?
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Greetings, justabubba. :2wave:

Absolutely YES! This is the flag that represents us in the United Nations and every Embassy in every Country around the world, and everyone recognizes it. Have we become such wusses that we don't care if a few idiots here in our own country decide to burn it, stomp on it, urinate on it or otherwise show disrespect for it, because they're upset or angry about something else, for crying out loud! How our enemies must be enjoying this! Not a damn one of them would put up with having their flag treated like this, and you know it! :2mad:
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, justabubba. :2wave:

Absolutely YES! This is the flag that represents us in the United Nations and every Embassy in every Country around the world, and everyone recognizes it. Have we become such wusses that we don't care if a few idiots here in our own country decide to burn it, stomp on it, urinate on it or otherwise show disrespect for it, because they're upset or angry about something else, for crying out loud! How our enemies must be enjoying this! Not a damn one of them would put up with having their flag treated like this, and you know it! :2mad:
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Good morning Polgara! I think that everybody who has defended these people's constitutional right to desecrate the flag agree that it's disgusting. But it's not illegal. What the bikers did IS! :shrug:
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, justabubba. :2wave:

Absolutely YES! This is the flag that represents us in the United Nations and every Embassy in every Country around the world, and everyone recognizes it. Have we become such wusses that we don't care if a few idiots here in our own country decide to burn it, stomp on it, urinate on it or otherwise show disrespect for it, because they're upset or angry about something else, for crying out loud! How our enemies must be enjoying this! Not a damn one of them would put up with having their flag treated like this, and you know it!
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I doubt that is true, but even if it is, that's a distinction in our favor, that we ALLOW free speech in this country, and that right to free speech specifically and especially extends to speech criticizing our government, one form of which is burning or otherwise defiling the flag.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
SOme of that so called biker gang are 9/11 responders they are not criminals so give that bull**** lie up. They are in fact former police officers and fireman that formed the group to help people out in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. They have done nothing but good. And even in this event all they did is chase away some idiots burning flags there were no charges against anyone no one got arrested on both sides. One guy pushed another guy down once. The rest of this so called gang shouted at the protesters who fled the scene. all the while the police were in the middle of it. No fists flew just one guy gave a push. Not a big deal.

Perhaps you should at least watch the video? American Flag Burned in Brooklyn War Memorial Park to Protest Racism Spur Controversy | NBC New York

The protesters were there to protest racism by burning the American flag? They were morons and were treated like morons. Counter protesting is just as legal as protesting. The Counter protesters behaved in the same way as the original protesters. And IMHO **** anarchist scum. They are a bunch of idiots in the first place.
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If they were attacking people who are exercising their 1st Amendment right to free speech, they are criminals.
 
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Montecresto said:
Good morning Polgara! I think that everybody who has defended these people's constitutional right to desecrate the flag agree that it's disgusting. But it's not illegal. What the bikers did IS! :shrug:
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Good morning, Montecresto. :2wave:

The bikers stopped the flag burning by putting out the fire, the cowards ran away, and no one was charged as far as I know. Are we to stand by like helpless impotent pushovers when we see something is being done that is repugnant to most people? Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death in NY, and people knew she was being murdered, but no one wanted to get involved by stopping her attacker. Is this what we have come to?
 
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Kobie said:
None of the conduct of the cons defending this crap (or, in this case, encouraging its escalation) surprises me.

Fascists, the lot of you. Your true colors have been shown.
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Then you are color blind.
 
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JasperL said:
I doubt that is true, but even if it is, that's a distinction in our favor, that we ALLOW free speech in this country, and that right to free speech specifically and especially extends to speech criticizing our government, one form of which is burning or otherwise defiling the flag.
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Greetings, JasperL. :2wave:

Speech is one thing - it's just words verbalizing a thought - and while it can sometimes be inflammatory, it's just talk. Let them rail as loudly as they like for as long as they feel like shouting. I can talk all day long about something that's important to me, but until I do something about it, it's just me talking. That's free speech. Taking action by burning our flag, or destroying property of innocent people in a riot - which we have seen a lot of lately - is not the same, and I don't care how people try to justify it, it's still not right, IMO! Where's the line in the sand here?
 
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Kobie said:
So it's ok to answer "coward's acts" with violence.
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Those who wish to be treated with respect should demonstrate some themselves.
 
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humbolt said:
Those who wish to be treated with respect should demonstrate some themselves.
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It appears that half of that equation is conveniently overlooked today in too many instances! Must be the "entitlement" syndrome out of control and running amok! :thumbdown:
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, justabubba. :2wave:

Absolutely YES! This is the flag that represents us in the United Nations and every Embassy in every Country around the world, and everyone recognizes it. Have we become such wusses that we don't care if a few idiots here in our own country decide to burn it, stomp on it, urinate on it or otherwise show disrespect for it, because they're upset or angry about something else, for crying out loud! How our enemies must be enjoying this! Not a damn one of them would put up with having their flag treated like this, and you know it! :2mad:
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No I don't know that
Gotta say I am disappointed you would advocate violence as an acceptable response to peaceful protest
I misjudged your character
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, JasperL. :2wave:

Speech is one thing - it's just words verbalizing a thought - and while it can sometimes be inflammatory, it's just talk. Let them rail as loudly as they like for as long as they feel like shouting. I can talk all day long about something that's important to me, but until I do something about it, it's just me talking. That's free speech. Taking action by burning our flag, or destroying property of innocent people in a riot - which we have seen a lot of lately - is not the same, and I don't care how people try to justify it, it's still not right, IMO! Where's the line in the sand here?
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The line in the sand is the flag is a piece of cloth in the eyes of the law and if it's legal to burn a towel in your grill it's legal to burn the American flag. I understand that is offensive, but it being offensive makes that 'speech' exactly the entire point of the First Amendment.

And you really cannot compare a riot and destroying property of others during a riot, with burning a flag that belongs to the person burning that flag. The former is a crime, the latter is protected free speech.
 
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polgara said:
It appears that half of that equation is conveniently overlooked today in too many instances! Must be the "entitlement" syndrome out of control and running amok! :thumbdown:
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I have to disagree. Flag burning has been a legitimate form of protest for centuries. It is and has been a non-violent way of showing contempt for the actions of a nation. I recall in the anti-nuke tests the Russian, American and French flags were often burned, and Nixon was burned more times in effigy than I can count.

On the one hand we have the socialists banning an emblem, a flag, because to them it represents hatred and racism, on the other members of a criminal gang get their jollies beating the **** out of people...

If you think it was because the bikers are super Americans, then you will be wrong.

What has happened is that once again, as so regularly happens in the US, a peaceful protest turned ugly violent. I would say it is time for all Americans to ask why it is that peaceful means never work, and even a street protest has to end up destroying people and property.
 
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tres borrachos said:
No, you quoted me and droned on about something I never commented on. All I commented on was the flag burning in protest of NYPD policies. Period. For some reason you think I was interested in your opinion of the bikers, peaceful protests, etc. I wasn't interested in your opinion of those subjects any more than I was interested in anyone else's opinions on them. I'm sure a lot of other people may be though. Not sure what the "you're welcome" was for, justa. I didn't thank you for anything.
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You were so disinterested in my post that you insisted on responding to it
thanks for sharing
 
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polgara said:
It appears that half of that equation is conveniently overlooked today in too many instances! Must be the "entitlement" syndrome out of control and running amok! :thumbdown:
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To me, it's the same symbol draped over coffins - they're burning that flag.
 
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humbolt said:
To me, it's the same symbol draped over coffins - they're burning that flag.
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Yeah, and it's pretty repulsive. Unfortunately it's legal, but what the bikers did isn't. At the least the protesters can be criticized for protesting in a manor most of us consider to be in bad taste (at least, lol) but the bikers should be criticized for BREAKING THE LAW!
 
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Montecresto said:
Yeah, and it's pretty repulsive. Unfortunately it's legal, but what the bikers did isn't. At the least the protesters can be criticized for protesting in a manor most of us consider to be in bad taste (at least, lol) but the bikers should be criticized for BREAKING THE LAW!
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If I see someone desecrating the flag, I'll be breaking the law myself. I won't enjoy it, but I believe it's necessary. The only reason this means of expression of dissatisfaction is chosen is because it's known to be extremely offensive. If they want to express this in such an "in your face" manner, they should have the gumption to do so directly. That I can respect.
 
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humbolt said:
If I see someone desecrating the flag, I'll be breaking the law myself. I won't enjoy it, but I believe it's necessary. The only reason this means of expression of dissatisfaction is chosen is because it's known to be extremely offensive. If they want to express this in such an "in your face" manner, they should have the gumption to do so directly. That I can respect.
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Hey, at least your honest. Other than in print or on television, I've never had the displeasure of witnessing it, and hope I never do. But do remember, that if you're going to justify a violent response to a legal activity that happens to offend you so, then you should understand why some offended people used violence to respond to Mrs. Geller in Garland several weeks ago.
 
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Montecresto said:
Hey, at least your honest. Other than in print or on television, I've never had the displeasure of witnessing it, and hope I never do.
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Well, we all absolutely love the Westboro crowd, too. There are ways to stop such crap without violence. We can and do stop hate groups here all the time without violence. Civil disobedience and expressions of displeasure are fine as long as they are civil. I keep a fire extinguisher in each of my vehicles.
 
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Montecresto said:
And if it wasn't for double vision, the right would have no vision at all!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think that works the way you think it does.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I have to disagree. Flag burning has been a legitimate form of protest for centuries. It is and has been a non-violent way of showing contempt for the actions of a nation. I recall in the anti-nuke tests the Russian, American and French flags were often burned, and Nixon was burned more times in effigy than I can count.

On the one hand we have the socialists banning an emblem, a flag, because to them it represents hatred and racism, on the other members of a criminal gang get their jollies beating the **** out of people...

If you think it was because the bikers are super Americans, then you will be wrong.

What has happened is that once again, as so regularly happens in the US, a peaceful protest turned ugly violent. I would say it is time for all Americans to ask why it is that peaceful means never work, and even a street protest has to end up destroying people and property.
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humbolt said:
Well, we all absolutely love the Westboro crowd, too. There are ways to stop such crap without violence. We can and do stop hate groups here all the time without violence. Civil disobedience and expressions of displeasure are fine as long as they are civil. I keep a fire extinguisher in each of my vehicles.
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Idk, it's kind of the same thing as a white guy walking into the ghetto and Screaming you N&^^#RS!!!!! You really expect that to go over well? You are just offending a culture of people that tend to be more tolerant...sometimes
 
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humbolt said:
Well, we all absolutely love the Westboro crowd, too. There are ways to stop such crap without violence. We can and do stop hate groups here all the time without violence. Civil disobedience and expressions of displeasure are fine as long as they are civil. I keep a fire extinguisher in each of my vehicles.
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Again, interfere with the legal activity of other citizens at your own risk. Say, why didn't you respond to the second point of my post?
 
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celticwar17 said:
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Idk, it's kind of the same thing as a white guy walking into the ghetto and Screaming you N&^^#RS!!!!! You really expect that to go over well? You are just offending a culture of people that tend to be more tolerant...sometimes
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They have the right to burn the flag. While I'd prefer to simply put out the fire, I believe that the kicked ass cannot become un-kicked. Charge me with a crime.
 
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They were a group of anti-American activists the OP called weenies protesting the NYPD. Weenies is a good descriptive word describing those who are half airhead and half asshole. The flag burning was just an added touch to promote agrevation. But the very police department they were protesting came and protected them against the aggression of the bikers and their protest went up in smoke. Flag burning is protected free speech. Evidently defecating on the flag or publically wiping your ass with it is also free speech as two black activists started on the Internet a couple of days ago "Sh!t on the Flag Campaign".
SHOCK VIDEO: Black activists launch ?sh*t flag challenge? | The American Mirror
Charming.
These activists get their money from donors to promote such things. Maybe it is time we start focusing on who is behind the money promoting all this recent anti-American sentiment.
 
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