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Flag burners get attacked by bikers[W:634]

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CMPancake said:
An action is certainly free speech. You have a right to act like a jackass in public. You have a right to do a whole of actions thanks to free speech. Flag Burning has happened to be an action that is ruled as free speech whether the bikers like it or not.



No, the protesters most certainly did not get their just desserts. They didn't attack anybody, they didn't harm anyone for speaking out against them or what they stand for. They were attacked and forced into silence by a group of stupid men and the fact you don't want to speak out against that but rather victim blame is rather telling of your character.

But you know what, lets say you're right. Burning a flag totally warrants hairy men in leather jackets slapping you around. Do you think a Muslim is in the right to slap a person around if that individual mocked Mohammad? Do you think a gay man or woman can attack a priest for preaching that homosexuality is a sin? Where do you draw your moral line against free speech?
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I just hate politicals.
 
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Unicron said:
I just hate politicals.
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I hate religion, but you will never see me advocate or condone violence against religious gatherings. Just because you hate something doesn't mean it should be harmed or attacked.
 
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Kobie said:
What people are "bullying" who?
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Those protesters. Haven't any of you actually met these crazos?
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Black and white thinking would be profiling all bikers as being bad people.
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No one did that. Read carefully, there's nothing akin to an "all" in my post, and what I posted clearly resembles the criminals that attacked people doing nothing at all that would justify a self-defense plea by the bikers or merited a violent attack by the bikers, hence these bikers are clearly part of the "quite often" referred to when I referred to biker GANGS, not bikers.
 
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CMPancake said:
I hate religion, but you will never see me advocate or condone violence against religious gatherings. Just because you hate something doesn't mean it should be harmed or attacked.
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They didn't seriously assault anyone. I've had various assaults on me in my time. One was grievous bodily harm. I accept that was all in good fun now.





kidding! No those little political brutes weren't harmed much, just a good singeing of their giant egos.
 
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Unicron said:
They didn't seriously assault anyone. I've had various assaults on me in my time. One was grievous bodily harm. I accept that was all in good fun now.

kidding! No those little political brutes weren't harmed much, just a good singeing of their giant egos.
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It doesn't matter if they were seriously harmed or not. Point is, they were bullied into silence and forced out of their constitutional right to free speech. That's not fair, that's not right, and trying to minimize what happened is appalling.
 
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CMPancake said:
It doesn't matter if they were seriously harmed or not. Point is, they were bullied into silence and forced out of their constitutional right to free speech. That's not fair, that's not right, and trying to minimize what happened is appalling.
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Sorry, I've met too many of them.

I'm not that keen on big guys throwing their weight around either but in this case, it all worked out.

Police are ok if you are not in an area where they are related to the crims.
 
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Unicron said:
Sorry, I've met too many of them.

I'm not that keen on big guys throwing their weight around either but in this case, it all worked out.

Police are ok if you are not in an area where they are related to the crims.
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So just for absolute clarification. You're absolutely for censorship when it comes to opinions you don't like?
 
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Summerwind said:
No one did that. Read carefully, there's nothing akin to an "all" in my post, and what I posted clearly resembles the criminals that attacked people doing nothing at all that would justify a self-defense plea by the bikers or merited a violent attack by the bikers, hence these bikers are clearly part of the "quite often" referred to when I referred to biker GANGS, not bikers.
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Burning a nations flag can be considered provocative. For some such an act is a attack on the very essence of society and community. Perhaps they were caught up in the moment when these dickheads purposely tried to piss people off by burning the American flag?

Burning the American flag isnt a peaceful activity for any protester to engage in. I am sure they wanted someone to say something otherwise why were they even doing it?

You may want to know who exactly this so called gang was: The Hallowed Sons motorcycle group They are made up of mostly retired police officers and fireman.

Listen to one of these so called gang members: "We help the public," said former Manhattan firefighter Bob Salvador, 58. "That's what we do." Salvador was a first responder on September 11, 2001. He compared the support on display in New Dorp to efforts he witnessed in the wake of the terrorist attacks. "It's just like 9/11."


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The Hallowed Sons, a motorcycle club from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, kept New Dorp's residents fed with pasta, burgers and hot dogs throughout the weekend. The club is largely made up of former police officers and firefighters. Staten Island residents say community
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Burning a nations flag can be considered provocative. For some such an act is a attack on the very essence of society and community. Perhaps they were caught up in the moment when these dickheads purposely tried to piss people off by burning the American flag?

Burning the American flag isnt a peaceful activity for any protester to engage in. I am sure they wanted someone to say something otherwise why were they even doing it?

You may want to know who exactly this so called gang was: The Hallowed Sons motorcycle group They are made up of mostly retired police officers and fireman.

Listen to one of these so called gang members: "We help the public," said former Manhattan firefighter Bob Salvador, 58. "That's what we do." Salvador was a first responder on September 11, 2001. He compared the support on display in New Dorp to efforts he witnessed in the wake of the terrorist attacks. "It's just like 9/11."


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The Hallowed Sons, a motorcycle club from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, kept New Dorp's residents fed with pasta, burgers and hot dogs throughout the weekend. The club is largely made up of former police officers and firefighters. Staten Island residents say community
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Your opinion of flag burning is not relevant, they were peacefully protesting within their constitutional rights. But hey, please prove to us that your mentality is essentially the same as this biker gang's is/was. I've had no doubt that it is. Not something to be proud of.
 
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CMPancake said:
So just for absolute clarification. You're absolutely for censorship when it comes to opinions you don't like?
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Incorrect. I don't mind the political's opinions, I just hate the politicals themselves. A lot of their views have merit actually.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Eh. Quite frankly, I think there are quite a few people in this country who could benefit having some sense and common courtesy forcibly knocked into them.

One of the primary downsides of "civilization" has always been its tendency to coddle preening morons and allow their destructive and disruptive antics free expression. To paraphrase a famous quote here, "every move society has made to limit the power of physically strong psychopaths has simply made it that much easier for cunning psychopaths to seize power instead."

Every once in a while, a solid punch in the face is really the only response a certain situation calls for.
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So, these people deserve bodily harm because they were protesting against police brutality? Wow
 
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Captain Adverse said:
What?

Just because something someone else does offends you is no justification for physically attacking them.

Our system is based on a right to self-defense. There is no right of "aggressive-offense."

You can express yourself by jeering, shouting people down, counter-protesting, suing in court if you can show libel or slander, etc.. There are all sorts of non-violent ways to counter freely expressed opinions that you do not agree with.

Kicking someone's ass is not one of them.

I don't like it when people burn flags. But if they bought it, they have a right to do with it whatever they will as long as they don't endanger anyone else physically, or other people's property.
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I agree completely.
 
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CMPancake said:
It doesn't matter if they were seriously harmed or not. Point is, they were bullied into silence and forced out of their constitutional right to free speech. That's not fair, that's not right, and trying to minimize what happened is appalling.
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"Forced out of their constitutional right to free speech?" Laughable. Anyone who has had a high school civics course knows that the First Amendment is a limit on government action--NOT action by private individuals. Point is, they were burning the U.S. flag. It's interesting that you seem to seem to approve of that. The only thing that saved these rats from the beating they were asking for is that they are as cowardly as they are disloyal.
 
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Summerwind said:
Your opinion of flag burning is not relevant, they were peacefully protesting within their constitutional rights. But hey, please prove to us that your mentality is essentially the same as this biker gang's is/was. I've had no doubt that it is. Not something to be proud of.
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SOme of that so called biker gang are 9/11 responders they are not criminals so give that bull**** lie up. They are in fact former police officers and fireman that formed the group to help people out in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. They have done nothing but good. And even in this event all they did is chase away some idiots burning flags there were no charges against anyone no one got arrested on both sides. One guy pushed another guy down once. The rest of this so called gang shouted at the protesters who fled the scene. all the while the police were in the middle of it. No fists flew just one guy gave a push. Not a big deal.

Perhaps you should at least watch the video? American Flag Burned in Brooklyn War Memorial Park to Protest Racism Spur Controversy | NBC New York

The protesters were there to protest racism by burning the American flag? They were morons and were treated like morons. Counter protesting is just as legal as protesting. The Counter protesters behaved in the same way as the original protesters. And IMHO **** anarchist scum. They are a bunch of idiots in the first place.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
This speaks volumes.
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Fascism. Pure, simple, unadulterated fascism, openly advocated by several conservatives on this board, in this thread. They are exposing their dark side, and boy is it ugly.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
SOme of that so called biker gang are 9/11 responders they are not criminals so give that bull**** lie up. They are in fact former police officers and fireman that formed the group to help people out in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. They have done nothing but good. And even in this event all they did is chase away some idiots burning flags there were no charges against anyone no one got arrested on both sides. One guy pushed another guy down once. The rest of this so called gang shouted at the protesters who fled the scene. all the while the police were in the middle of it. No fists flew just one guy gave a push. Not a big deal.

Perhaps you should at least watch the video? American Flag Burned in Brooklyn War Memorial Park to Protest Racism Spur Controversy | NBC New York

The protesters were there to protest racism by burning the American flag? They were morons and were treated like morons. Counter protesting is just as legal as protesting. The Counter protesters behaved in the same way as the original protesters. And IMHO **** anarchist scum. They are a bunch of idiots in the first place.
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I don't give two ****s if they were 9/11 responders. If you physically attack someone who is not physically attacking you, you are a criminal. Period, end of discussion.
 
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matchlight said:
"Forced out of their constitutional right to free speech?" Laughable. Anyone who has had a high school civics course knows that the First Amendment is a limit on government action--NOT action by private individuals. Point is, they were burning the U.S. flag. It's interesting that you seem to seem to approve of that. The only thing that saved these rats from the beating they were asking for is that they are as cowardly as they are disloyal.
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You approve of violence against people with whom you disagree.

Did you approve of the two Muslims who tried to shoot up Pam Geller's "free speech event"? There is literally no difference.
 
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sangha said:
A group of law abiding citizens is attacked by a mob of right wing thugs, and unsurprisingly, some DPers approve
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It says a lot that you see people who instinctively come to this country's defense as "right wing thugs." I have some phrases of my own to describe people who habitually run this country down, and I can't repeat them here.

A group of America-hating cowards was scared off from their burning of this country's flag by some people who understandably took offense to that vile insult. And it is no surprise to see which posters rush to the defense of the America-hating cowards. I'm always glad to see pseudo-liberals show their true colors--to see them reveal the contempt they have for most things American.
 
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matchlight said:
"Forced out of their constitutional right to free speech?" Laughable. Anyone who has had a high school civics course knows that the First Amendment is a limit on government action--NOT action by private individuals.
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An argument of semantics is not an argument. You know damn full well the protesters were censored and forced into silence. That isn't okay, that is never okay. It wasn't okay when Radical Islam did it with the art gallery in Texas, and it wasn't okay now. In America you have a right to say and do things that might offend people.

matchlight said:
Point is, they were burning the U.S. flag. It's interesting that you seem to seem to approve of that.
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Who the hell said I approve of flag burning? I don't like the West Boro Baptist Church, or their message but I approve of their right to speak their filth without being attacked or physically assaulted.

matchlight said:
The only thing that saved these rats from the beating they were asking for is that they are as cowardly as they are disloyal.
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Just so we're clear, you're okay with violence against speech that you do not approve of?
 
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